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Posted: 3/30/2002 10:40:46 AM EDT
Week of March 27 - April 2, 2002 Gay Revelers Herald the Return of Spring—and Sex Partying Like It's 1979 by Steve Weinstein n its current issue, HX, the gay nightlife guide, trumpets "the resurgence of back rooms." If last Saturday night's Black Party is any indication, that headline reflects reality. For 17 hours, sex was everywhere: on the dancefloor, in the bathroom stalls, onstage. The back room corridor was so packed that a gatekeeper regulated the traffic. For the uninitiated: The Black Party may be the largest annual indoor dance event in New York, a leather-laced marathon that includes three DJs, two lighting designers, and several hours of sex shows by porn professionals and gifted amateurs. At this year's "Rites XXIII," nearly 8000 people crammed into Roseland to party like it's 1979. In fact, the Black Party began that year. It was a signal event at the Saint, the legendary East Village disco on the site of the Fillmore East that now houses NYU classrooms. After the Saint closed in 1988, a victim of the AIDS epidemic that claimed many of its patrons, the party moved to Roseland. The late Bruce Mailman, who founded the Saint, once cited as his inspiration for this party the druidic custom in which men donned animal skins and retreated into the forest to celebrate the vernal equinox. The party is held on the weekend closest to the first day of spring. The Black Party has always been about sex as much as dancing. But a stranger wandering into this priapic moshpit might be shocked. After all, it's been so long since that sort of activity was chic, and the party's promoters have managed to maintain its underground status by discouraging the press. Patrons must check their cameras, if not their costumes, at the door. There were plenty of rubber bodysuits and butcher smocks to be seen, as well as skintight latex bras and dresses on the smattering of RGs (real girls) and drag queens. Notwithstanding the reverence for fallen heroes of 9-11, fewer police and fire-fighter uniforms were in evidence this year. For most participants, the Black Party is a chance to dig out their leather accessories and play dress-up. From jockstraps, chaps, and codpieces to mere nudity, this party truly celebrates the male posterior. Witness a man rimming while purring in a cat mask. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 10:42:26 AM EDT
Who would be drawn to such a thing? Devoted s/m activists, straight and gay. But the vast majority of these neo-druids are well-paid—and in some cases well-known—professionals. Celebrities, academics, and even a few politicians are in the house. The hefty ($90) ticket price could buy a decent seat at the opera, if not a private dancer, but these folks prefer the spectacle. As Addison Scott, one of the porn actors who fly in for the night to perform—and whose specialty is fisting—says, "These people are not afraid to act out their fantasies for one night." The crowd, so different from "virtually normal" circuit queens, generates an unexpected camaraderie. Exuberant is not a word you might think of to describe a leather event, but it certainly applies to this gala. Mike Weems, who is writing a doctoral thesis about spirituality on the gay circuit, was struck by the "dignity and elegance" of these leather men. Maybe it's just what David Nimmons describes as "a revel, a really sexy revel." Nimmons, at work on a book about the underlying meaning of much maligned gay activities such as working out, circuit parties, drug use, and anonymous sex, cites a "primal, dark energy that is really rare. When people are high and settled in, there's an extraordinary atmosphere, a libidinal commonality." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The combination of drugs and omnivorous sex certainly opens up the question of responsibility. One good-looking guy is spread-eagled to all comers in the back room; another man blames too much crystal for his serial tricks in the bathroom; dudes on the dancefloor are blowing, rimming, and, yes, fucking with impunity. A basket of condoms sits outside the upstairs back room, but it doesn't seem to be emptying very quickly. As the evening progresses, the tales become more outrageous. One man is said to have burst a blood vessel in his penis, another reportedly suffers rectal bleeding from a prop gun shoved up his ass during one of the sex shows. Drugs take their toll as well. A man falls face forward. Someone frantically breathes into his mouth. Four men carry him toward the nearest exit, where security and paramedics try to revive him. According to a doctor who was volunteering at the party, there were 10 fallouts altogether—a remarkably low number for such a large all-night event—and this was the only person who needed serious medical attention. Last year, in an incident much discussed in the gay community, a well-known doctor fell on the dancefloor; he never revived and died three days later.
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 10:43:09 AM EDT
Drug overdoses, however, are hardly unique to gay events, and blaming a party for unsafe sex is like blaming bars for alcoholism. Self-destructive behavior always finds an outlet. Rather than "wretched excess," the word most people here use to summarize this ball is "spiritual." Weems describes the sweat-drenched back room as "the nearest thing to a baptism since I was born" and relates how "very profoundly stirring" he found it. The "rites" theme is carried through in the sex shows, which feature ritualistic scenes bathed in an eerie pastel glow. In one, a man is mummified in plastic wrap; in another, a toilet is wheeled out for a piss scene. A man slowly plays with a boa constrictor onstage, an echo of one of the original party's most fabled entertainments, in which such serpents were inserted into certain willing rears. But this is a dance party, and the music defines the mood. Paulo, the first DJ, made his New York debut with hard, sexy sounds. Victor Calderone, a straight DJ who made his name at gay events, played hard-driving beats. At 10 a.m., Michael Fierman, the original Black Party DJ, turned out Saint classics such as "I Never Can Say Goodbye." Paulo and Calderone both played mixes of the 25-year-old Donna Summer standard "I Feel Love," older than many of the dancers. The adherence to tradition may account for the Black Party's phenomenal staying power, but it's the unbridled celebration of gay male sexuality, in all its creativity and destructiveness, that ensures success. Weems cites Michael Warner, author of The Trouble With Normal: "When you strip away all sense of shame, you get the essence of human dignity." Tell us what you think. editor@villagevoice.com E-mail this story
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 12:55:24 PM EDT
"destructiveness," is the key word here. Condoms provided, but not in use? Rectal bleeding and burst blood vessels are going to be the least of the problems for a lot of those people in the near future. HIV, claumidia, ghonerea, chancroids, type B hepatitis, genital warts, herpes, and so on with numerous combinations of the above. Where is the "essence of human dignity" in all this?
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 1:37:55 PM EDT
Oh, puh-leethe! You're jutht jealouth! [sex]
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 1:44:43 PM EDT
Nero fiddled while Rome burned. The Romans had big orgies right around the collapse of their empire as well. What concerns me is that members of the medical profession would participate in such destructive behavior--probably wouldn't want that guy who collapsed as my doctor. But then again, the medical profession is getting worse all the time, anyways.
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 1:57:57 PM EDT
they will all get what they deserve.
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 2:36:00 PM EDT
Witness the decline and fall of Western Civilization... [:X*]
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Link Posted: 3/30/2002 2:47:30 PM EDT
Sodom and Gomorrah. If a Palestinian suicide bomber wandered into that party by mistake while on the way to a bar mitzvah he was planning on crashing, he'd realize that his services would be better put to use at that party, and would reach for the trigger switch... And I wouldn't shed one bloody tear. In fact, I'd probably applaud the terrorist...quietly. CJ
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 3:24:14 PM EDT
They were Tossing salad??>?? [:P] Man, did they do it with jelly, or at least syrup?? I always wanted to get my salad "tossed", but could never find a chick to do it for me. [:P] Fucking Mo's, they have nothing else better to do, than get freaky. No kids, so what else you do you do? c-rock
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 3:28:08 PM EDT
another reportedly suffers rectal bleeding from a prop gun shoved up his ass during one of the sex shows
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Hey man, I "accidentally" sat down on it.
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 3:28:41 PM EDT
If the Lord doesn't severely punish Hollywood and the Left Coast for their iniquities, then He surely owes Sodom and Gommorah an apology! In the meanwhile, I have never heard the word used in the title of this thread - gaywaud. I have always referred to these folks simply as [b]'gayroids'[/b], in honor of the dreaded affliction that sometimes hampers the enjoyment of their subtle pastime. Eric The(StraightAsAnArrow)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 3:33:11 PM EDT
Okay, I'll bite (or maybe I won't)... What the hell is "tossing salad"?
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 4:17:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: If the Lord doesn't severely punish Hollywood and the Left Coast for their iniquities, then He surely owes Sodom and Gommorah an apology! Eric The(StraightAsAnArrow)Hun[>]:)]
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As usual.....very well said Eric!
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 5:17:15 PM EDT
Without a doubt Eric..............there will be a payday for sure. I was disappointed that there was no mention of gerbils and plastic baggies. Ain;t that still popular??? Have to admitt also that I have no idea what getting your salad tossed means. Guess I gotta bone up on my queerlingo. [flame]+[flame]+[flame]=[sex]=[shock][puke]
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 5:18:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By marvl: Okay, I'll bite (or maybe I won't)... What the hell is "tossing salad"?
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I think it's a term for licking anus. [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/otq.gif[/img] Another term for it is "campaigning for political office". [:D] CJ
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 5:23:33 PM EDT
bob dyaln at a concert in San Francisco:
The San Francisco Rap [Unknown Date] A long time ago they used to have these Greek plays, pretty long time ago. Anyway, nowadays they got a thing called "Actors". You know, they're in movies. Back then they had actors too, but they called them hypocrites. That's right. It'd be like a play, you know, like there'd be a play with about 30 people in it, but actually there'd be only four. They'd all just wear masks; they ... [Dylan pretends to recite in a high pitched voice] ... to the crowd - talk in another voice, and they'd just wear a mask. So four people could play the part of 30 people. That's a heavy responsibility. Keeps you on your toes. Never know who you are. So now, too, there's a lot of hypocrites; they're talkin' you know, using Jesus' name. But don't let that put you off. Because they're still dealing with the world, and Jesus has overcome the world - that's what he did at the cross, as simple as that. He didn't make it complicated. But actually, if you look at Jesus you gotta look at the cross. Actually, if you wonder why all these things are happening nowadays, Joshua, you know, he went into, I believe it was, uh, Canaan land, and God told him that in certain times He would destroy all the people, every man, woman, children there. You see that's bad. Certainly he hated to leave the children, but they was all just defiled. And there was some cities. God said "Don't go in there yet" so Joshua wondered why, and God said, "because their iniquity is not yet full" So now, you look around today, when we started out this tour, we started out in San Francisco. It's a kind of unique town these days. I think it's either one third or two thirds of the population that are homosexuals in San Francisco. I've heard it said. Now, I guess they're working up to a hundred percent, I don't know. But anyway, it's a growing place for homosexuals, and I read they have homosexual politics, and it's a political party. I don't mean it's going on in somebody's closet. I mean it's political! All right, you know what I'm talking about? Anyway, I would just think, well I guess the iniquity's not yet full. And I don't wanna be around when it is!
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Link Posted: 3/30/2002 5:33:44 PM EDT
I was disappointed that there was no mention of gerbils and plastic baggies.
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I hear that a crack team of genetecists is working on a new breed of Gerbil. It won't have teeth, claws or fur and it will sweat KY Jelly.
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 7:08:06 AM EDT
C-rock, when you find a chick that's up for that, make sure you get a "slide trombone" too! [:P]
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 8:52:51 AM EDT
This thread is GROSS [:X*] Tyler
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 9:00:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ghettoblaster: C-rock, when you find a chick that's up for that, make sure you get a "slide trombone" too! [:P]
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What the hell is a slide trombone? [;)] Guys, some of you all must realize I am playing around. [:P] Or havent see the Chris Rock comedy special. Switch to decafe, it helps. [:)] Still looking for a chick to do that, that doesnt want me to do it to her!!! [:X*]
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 9:19:49 AM EDT
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Hope I don't get in trouble but.... Slide trombone is when the chick "uses her hand" while "tossing the salad". heheheh [:P] AKA "The Reacharound"
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 9:32:41 AM EDT
One good-looking guy is spread-eagled to all comers in the back room; another man blames too much crystal for his serial tricks in the bathroom; dudes on the dancefloor are blowing, rimming, and, yes, fucking with impunity. A basket of condoms sits outside the upstairs back room, but it doesn't seem to be emptying very quickly.
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What can I possibly add to that?
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 9:34:56 AM EDT
y'know, its this sort of damn behaviour that gives Western Civilization a bad name. I agree about the suicide bomber idea- I've got a cousin named Rahid who's just nuts enough to do that, too bad he lives on the West Bank. Anyone up for importing and 'rewiring' 30,000 Palestinians into the Gay Bay and West Hollywood? Give the Di Fi crew something to worry about besides us gunners for a while...
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 9:47:11 AM EDT
Its amazing how laws are becoming so much more strict in this country...except in the area of sexual expression. Why is that? Everybody in America that goes around with a "God Bless America", bumper sticker ought to read Deuteronomy 28. The hand of God has two sides!
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 9:55:19 AM EDT
I have no problem with gay people, but where ever they are in large numbers so are the cases of aids. Anyone notice that all the scandals as of lately with priest involve always them and little boys, not little girls? Though its politically incorrect to call them gay pedophile's, but that's what they are! And the majority of these pedophile's go after little boys, so don't tell me there is no correlation between being gay and being a pedophile. Gay people can stay gay for all I care, but when they have shows and in your face advertisement, I wish someone would fire up the ovens.
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 10:32:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By quietshoez: they will all get what they deserve.
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They will all get theirs in the END. (pun intended)
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 8:33:47 PM EDT
So are there any parties like this except for lesbians and if so how can I become a fly on that wall???? GunLvr
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 5:47:16 AM EDT
I've never understood how this is allowed to happen? If the crowds are that big, it HAS to be well known to law enforcement that this is going on. If the same type behavior were occuring in bar across the street, but between men and women, how long do think it would be before the police acted?
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 6:08:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Hipower: I've never understood how this is allowed to happen? If the crowds are that big, it HAS to be well known to law enforcement that this is going on. If the same type behavior were occuring in bar across the street, but between men and women, how long do think it would be before the police acted?
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Would you want to walk into that mass, to start grabbing sweaty, naked men? Neither would I. But really, who the hell cares? As long as it's behind closed doors, who cares what consenting adults, male or female, do to one another?
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 7:38:22 AM EDT
I always think of the gun issue in terms of human rights, and tend to believe that's the way others view it also. But then I'm jolted back into reality with the realization that a lot of gun owners are intolerant, bigoted assholes like the previous posters in this thread. What's wrong with you guys? Did Jerry Falwell get you all riled up on Sunday? Did you miss your weekly cross burning? Shouldn't you be out bombing abortion clinics and sniping doctors at their homes? Upset that [url=http://www.godhatesfags.com/]GodHatesFags.com[/url] and the [url=http://www.armyofgod.com/]Army of God[/url] are too moderate? Givin my choice between you narrow-minded cretins and the fags, I'll take the [url=http://www.pinkpistols.org/]fags[/url] any day!!!
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 7:52:44 AM EDT
From Steel_Rat -
Givin my choice between you narrow-minded cretins and the fags, I'll take the fags any day!!!
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You need to remember, Steel_Rat, all 'fags', as you call them, are not pro-RKBA either! They have a tendency to vote anti-libertarian on every other issue [u]except[/u] those affecting their homosexual lifestyle and agenda. Sounds like they may be pretty 'narrow-minded' themselves, to me. Eric The(StraightAsHell)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 7:59:53 AM EDT
I don't care for poofters either. None of my business what they do behind closed doors, but I dislike them for the reasons ETH just mentioned.
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 8:22:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By c-rock: They were Tossing salad??>?? [:P] Man, did they do it with jelly, or at least syrup?? I always wanted to get my salad "tossed", but could never find a chick to do it for me. [:P] c-rock
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Ummmmmmm...... I don't think you want to be tossed salad.[>:/] I was under the impression that it is the term used in prison when bubba makes you his b##ch.[>:/]
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 8:40:58 AM EDT
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government ofany other." John Adams "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin "It is in the manners and spirit of a people which preseve a republic in vigour. . . . degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats into the heart of its laws and constitution." Thomas Jefferson "Virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone that renders us invincible. These are the tactics we should study. If we lose these, we are conquered, fallen indeed . . . so long as our manners and principles remain sound, there is no danger." Patrick Henry "Among a people generally corrupt liberty cannot long exist." Edmund Burke
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 10:15:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: They have a tendency to vote anti-libertarian on every other issue [u]except[/u] those affecting their homosexual lifestyle and agenda. Sounds like they may be pretty 'narrow-minded' themselves, to me.
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You're right - and all gun owners are anti-government militia whackos, and the Branch Davidians were a suicide cult. Looks like Eric has swallowed the religious party line when it comes to gays. He couldn't be more wrong. Gays are probably the most libertarian bunch you'll ever want to meet. They basically just want to be left alone and don't like the government intruding into their private lives or bedrooms. OTOH, so-called "conservatives" are possibly the most hypocritical bunch I've ever run into, even more so than the Democrats!!! Unfortunately a large segment for the pro-gun crowd also seems to be members of the anti-freedom Religious Right who spend all their time and money trying to force their narrow-minded view of "morality" onto the rest of the population. A lot of these people claim to be libertarian, but in actually they are L.I.N.O. Do gays tend to vote Democratic? You bet! Why? Because they're tired of getting the shit kicked out of them (literally and politically) by religious zealots who believe that God should decide who you can sleep with and where consenting adults should be allowed to put their penises. And they don't necessarily agree with everything else on the liberal agenda, but they vote the issue that is important to them. Just like I have to grit my teeth and reluctantly vote for a pro-gun Republican who I know is going to try and restrict abortion or force religion onto to school children with my tax dollars. Especially in places like California, gays are a powerful political force, and have been systematically abandoned and persecuted by the same politicians who are pro-gun. If progunners weren't so stupid they'd be doing everything they can to reach out to the gay community about the positive aspects of guns. What do you think would happen if gays who where getting bashed by Nazi Skinheads instead starting shooting their assailants? CA would be a "shall-issue CCW" state overnight!! But the pro-gunners are too busy trying to convince the public that AIDS is a punishment from God to kill fags and their only friend is Diane Feinstein. So to everyone who posted here with anti-gay comments, I say this - you are nothing but hypocrites!! You talk about freedom for you, but want to take it away from someone else. And worst of all, you are feeding the anti-gun agenda and costing me my freedom and actively aiding the gun-grabbers. Fuck you.
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 10:35:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Steel_Rat:... and the [url=http://www.armyofgod.com/]Army of God[/url] are too moderate?...
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Thanks for the link. I hope they kill as many abortionists as it takes to stop the murder of unborn children.
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 10:47:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Steel_Rat: [b] Gays are probably the most libertarian bunch you'll ever want to meet.[/b] Perhaps. but also some of the most degenerate and depraved. All those news stories about Priests molesting boys like to not mention that over 95% are done by homosexuals. Later research into this matter may reveal that almost 100% of the abuse was done by homosexuals. [url]www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20020322.shtml[/url] [b]They basically just want to be left alone and don't like the government intruding into their private lives or bedrooms.[/b] LMAO! Yeah, right scooter. It's not like they are trying to indoctrinate children or anything. [url]www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200203\CUL20020325a.html[/url] What? Have a "tiff" with your boyfriend or something? [b]OTOH, so-called "conservatives" are possibly the most hypocritical bunch I've ever run into, even more so than the Democrats!!![/b] Really? Throwing a hissy fit on a gun forum? You think this is a brilliant idea? [b]Unfortunately a large segment for the pro-gun crowd also seems to be members of the anti-freedom Religious Right who spend all their time and money trying to force their narrow-minded view of "morality" onto the rest of the population.[/b] Well, the Founding Fathers, (not to mention just about everyone else worth reading on the subject) said that ONLY virtue, morality, and religion were the supports upon which freedom and liberty could securely stand. And it goes without saying that they knew quite a bit more on the subject than you do. [b]Do gays tend to vote Democratic? You bet! Why? Because they're tired of getting the shit kicked out of them (literally and politically)[/b] Of course the truth is that by and large they never got the "shit kicked out of them" until they decided TO come out of their bedrooms and force their filth on anyone and everyone, including our children. [b]Just like I have to grit my teeth and reluctantly vote for a pro-gun Republican who I know is going to try and restrict abortion or force religion onto to school children with my tax dollars.[/b] Well the Founders supported religious instruction in schools, even the ones that were not Christian. And they never said the the laws that protected unborn children that existed in the states when they wrote the Constitution were "unconstitutional". They're called books junior. [b]So to everyone who posted here with anti-gay comments, I say this - you are nothing but hypocrites!![/b] i.e. "You are nothing but a bunch of people who actually take what the Founding Fathers said seriously!!" [b]You talk about freedom for you, but want to take it away from someone else.[/b] Hmmm, you know, I kinda remember the whole "right of the people to keep and bear arms" thing but nothing about the right to "commit the moral depravity of homosexual sodomy" clause. Praytell where is that in the Constitution?
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(cont.) [b]And worst of all, you are feeding the anti-gun agenda and costing me my freedom and actively aiding the gun-grabbers. Fuck you.[/b] Yeah, that's what I thought, you're a homo. "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, (i.e. freedom and liberty] [b]religion and morality are indispensable supports.[/b] In [b]vain[/b] would that man claim [b]tribute to patriotism[/b] who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles." George Washington Well that certainly is clear enough. According to Washington, a man might as well make the claim that he's a space alien as a patriot if he subverts morality and religion in his country.
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 11:16:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Belloc: (cont.) Yeah, that's what I thought, you're a homo.
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Sorry to disappoint you but I am [b]not[/b] a homo. You'll have to find your mastibatory fantasies somewhere else. Unlike some bigoted assholes here, I can recognize that other people have the same rights as I do without being "one of them." I also feel that Blacks should also be treated like human beings, but I'm not black, either. When I said your are "costing me my freedom" I meant that religious zealots like you and AlClenin are alienating large segments of potentially pro-gun citizens with your arrogant, bible-thumping moral superiority, and that is affecting me because I have to deal with more, restrictive gun laws. Time and time again gun owners prove to be their own worst enemy. Unfortunately they're too stupid to realize it.
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 11:21:10 AM EDT
MY $.02, again... I consider homosexuality to be nasty, filthy, unnatural, and an offense to the God I believe in. However, I don't get in their face about it and as long as there isn't any reason for me to cross swords with a homosexual over this issue, I can and do coexist peacefully with them. I don't give them a hard time (but some may wish I would...[sex]...) about it and I'll act like a civilized human being around them under any normal circumstances. They have ONE aspect of their life I find highly distasteful, and as long as that aspect remains hidden from me, I'm fine with it. I'm a one issue voter, that issue being the gun issue. I welcome ANYONE to join me in voting for our gun rights, even if the REST of their lifestyle is repulsive to me. I would be happy to see you vote pro-gun even if you were a gay neo-Nazi Klansman with memberships in PETA and Greenpeace who shoots hunters and abortion providers. Seven flavors of asshole, but one part I support. A quick touch on the abortion issue: It's legal by the law of the land and I'd want that option available to me or my wife if there was something wrong with the baby. I support the right to choose and will fight anyone who wishes to deny me that right to choose. That's done with. No further comment necessary. CJ
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Next, Steel_Rat will tell us we are all fuckers because we are against people putting their penises in corpses, animals, and children. They all have the right to do that! Steel_Rat, share some more of your amazing knowledge; If we speak out against lets say a child molesting gay priest who owns a gun, should we kill ourselves because that means one less person for gun rights? We don't need fags shoving their rotten life style into our faces, and those of our children. Child molesters are gay, most people with aids are gay, and kids are getting caught sucking each others dicks in class.
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 11:59:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Steel_Rat:
Originally Posted By Belloc: (cont.) Yeah, that's what I thought, you're a homo.
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When I said your are "costing me my freedom" I meant that religious zealots like you and AlClenin are alienating large segments of potentially pro-gun citizens with your arrogant, bible-thumping moral superiority, and that is affecting me because I have to deal with more, restrictive gun laws.
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My opposition to abortion can be argued for without refering to the bible. It is the unborn childs constitutional right to not be murdered. What? You say the fetus is not a person, prove it. At which point in the developmental process does the fetus change from a lump of cells to a person with rights? It seems there is only one point in the whole reproductive process that offers a clear binary difference, and that is conception. If you can offer better criteria for judging when a fetus becomes a person lets hear it.
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 12:00:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Belloc:
Originally Posted By Steel_Rat: Gays are probably the most libertarian bunch you'll ever want to meet.
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Perhaps. but also some of the most degenerate and depraved.
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Oh, bullshit. Most gays are left-liberal, as is evidenced by (a) how they vote, and (b) the responses they get when taking the [url=http://www.lp.org/quiz/]World's Smallest Political Quiz[/url] at "Operation Politically Homeless" booths that have been set up at gay-pride rallies. They "want to be left alone" when it comes to their bedrooms, but they want the Feds to dump billions of dollars into AIDS research, to enact restrictive affirmative-action laws applying to homosexuals, and to infringe on others' religious and political freedoms (just like the rest of the Left). About 20% respond to the test as being libertarian, as compared to over 25% of the general population. That is known as a "significant difference".
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 2:09:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/1/2002 2:11:16 PM EDT by Belloc]
Originally Posted By Steel_Rat: [b]Sorry to disappoint you[/b] Sounds like YOU'RE the one who is disapointed that you're not a homo. [b]Unlike some bigoted assholes here,[/b] Got that folks, Ratboy here considers all Hebrew Prophets, the 12 Apostles, and the Founding Fathers to be, ahem, "bigoted assholes". Hmmm, who else thinks this way? Well, there's Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Diane Fienstein, Chuck Schumer, ect. [b]I can recognize that other people have the same rights as I do without being "one of them."[/b] A "right" to sadomasachistic homosexual sodomy??? LOL. What books on freedom and liberty are you reading sprout? [b]I also feel that Blacks should also be treated like human beings, but I'm not black, either.[/b] Yes well being "black" just means your skin has more protection against ultraviolet radiation. Being homosexual means engaging in the depravity of homosexual sodomy. Even Collin Powell said equating the two is utter nonsense. But maybe he is just a "bigoted asshole", right scooter? [b]When I said your are "costing me my freedom" I meant that religious zealots like you and AlClenin are alienating large segments of potentially pro-gun citizens[/b] Damn funny how you ignore the quotes by the Founders which are quite clear in their espousing that rights come from the hand of God and the only safeguard of these rights is religion, morality and virtue. [b]with your arrogant, bible-thumping[/b] Since when is quoting the Founders of this nation "bible-thumping"? [b]moral superiority, and that is affecting me because I have to deal with more, restrictive gun laws.[/b] According to Ben Franklin, (and all the Founding Fathers) you are dealing with more restrictive gun laws because the people have abandoned virtue, morality and religion. Why is it that more and more gun laws are being passed at the same time homosexuality is becoming more open in society? [b]Time and time again gun owners prove to be their own worst enemy. Unfortunately they're too stupid to realize it.[/b] What the hell are you, 12?!
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 2:27:52 PM EDT
you guys spend way too much time worrying about homosexuals. you can't catch it, and they're really not interested in recruiting your kids. if they wanna plook each other, who cares? doesn't hurt me or you, and we can giggle at it because, of course, it is hilarious.
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 2:31:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By elvez: you guys spend way too much time worrying about homosexuals. you can't catch it, [b]and they're really not interested in recruiting your kids.[/b] if they wanna plook each other, who cares? doesn't hurt me or you, and we can giggle at it because, of course, it is hilarious.
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Horseshit about the not interested in recruiting your kids. Ever hear about "Tolerance" programs at schools. Kids are being taught that it is a normal and acceptable lifestyle and that people who condemn them are "afraid" (=homo[b]phobia[/b])
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 4:39:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By elvez: you guys spend way too much time worrying about homosexuals. you can't catch it, and they're really not interested in recruiting your kids. if they wanna plook each other, who cares? doesn't hurt me or you, and we can giggle at it because, of course, it is hilarious.
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Yeah, sure, immoral depravity is just hilarious, and the plague of HIV and the billions of dollars it has cost American taxpayers just keeps me in stitches. And, yes, they DO in fact want to "recruit" our children. This is why they are fighting so hard to be Scout Masters. This is why they are fighting so hard to adopt children. This is why they are fighting so hard to teach this filth to school children. This is why they put out garbage like this: [url]www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200203\CUL20020325a.html[/url] And it is also the reason why over 90% of the child abuse cases that we have been reading about in the Catholic Priesthood have been committed by homosexuals. And even if you make the choice to ignore this (which apparently you have) what is your defense in ignoring the warning of the Founders that when a nation becomes depraved and immoral, it loses it's freedom and liberty?
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 5:01:55 PM EDT
This thread seems to have gotten a few folks upset. Was this the intention of the original post? What use does it have here? I'm all for free speech but, this subject seems really out of place at ar15.com. As they say, my .02 worth.
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 5:05:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Belloc: And it is also the reason why over 90% of the child abuse cases that we have been reading about in the Catholic Priesthood have been committed by homosexuals.
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Belloc keeps blathering on about these incidents of molested children, but he keeps glossing over one important fact - 100% of these molesters were Catholic Priests!!!! That's right, Belloc - the same religion as you!!! You worship the same God and read the same Bible, say the same prayers and sing the same songs. You're accusing me of being a homo, but I don't go to church - you do!!!! I think you may be a child molester. I mean, why would you spend time every week at an institution that is known to breed and harbor homosexual child molesters? Personally, I avoid those places like the plague!! But Belloc really seems to like it there. Hmmmm.......
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