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Posted: 3/28/2002 10:03:20 PM EDT
[url]http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_2551-2600/ab_2580_bill_20020221_introduced.html[/url] [center]BILL NUMBER: AB 2580 INTRODUCED BILL TEXT INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Simitian FEBRUARY 21, 2002[/center] [center]An act to amend Section 12305 of, and to add Sections 12099, 12234, and 12289.5 to, the Penal Code, relating to dangerous weapons.[/center] [center]LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST[/center] AB 2580, as introduced, Simitian. Dangerous weapons. Existing law generally regulates various dangerous weapons, including short-barreled shotguns, short-barreled rifles, machine guns, assault weapons, and destructive devices. This bill would require, in regard to those devices, that the Department of Justice would, for every person, firm, or corporation to whom a permit is issued relating to the device, annually conduct an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile the inventories of the devices. The bill would also provide that for a person, firm, or corporation with an inventory of fewer than 5 devices that require any Department of Justice permit, the department would conduct an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile inventories, once every 5 years, or more frequently if determined by the department. This bill would provide that its operation is contingent upon an appropriation for its purposes in the Budget Act of 2002. Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: yes. State-mandated local program: no.
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 10:08:23 PM EDT
I agree; force Kalifornia out of the Union!
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 10:25:45 PM EDT
Well, if they want to draw a line in the sand, this is it. You want to inspect my guns in my home? Be prepared for interesting times.
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 10:30:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja: Well, if they want to draw a line in the sand, this is it. You want to inspect my guns in my home? Be prepared for interesting times.
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What do you mean by that?
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 10:50:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FNC80:
Originally Posted By mattja: Well, if they want to draw a line in the sand, this is it. You want to inspect my guns in my home? Be prepared for interesting times.
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What do you mean by that?
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You know the old Chinese saying, right? [img]democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a21/images/joe.gif[/img] Here's the "man" himself.
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 11:04:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Necromancer: AB 2580, as introduced, Simitian. Dangerous weapons. Existing law generally regulates various dangerous weapons, including short-barreled shotguns, short-barreled rifles, machine guns, assault weapons, and destructive devices. ...
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From what I remember about these types of permits was that you had to allow any peace officer to inspect the premises were the guns were being kept at anytime with ought warning, it’s part of the agreement in order to issuing a dangerous weapons permit. Dangerous weapons permits include short-barrel rifle, machineguns, destructive devices and assault weapons. If you want I’ll dig up the forms and look up the penal code on it. - Sulaco
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 11:09:42 PM EDT
We aren't talking about weapons that require that $200 tax stamp. It appears they are adding weapons registered under RR89 and SB23. That is crossing the line. Here's what I don't understand. RR89 and SB23 do not require change of address notification, so if you move and do not update your registration, they have to check with the DMV, which you would have had to update too if you move. I'm think I'm finished updating all CA state records from now on. Fu*ck them.
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 11:20:24 PM EDT
Woo hoo!!!! Every day brings more good news from kalifornia that makes my heart go pitter patter! Stand and fight or break and run?
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 11:21:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja: You know the old Chinese saying, right?
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Ancient Chinese secret?
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 11:29:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja: You know the old Chinese saying, right?
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Here is the updated version: "May you live in times of the lesser of 2 evils"
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 12:42:42 AM EDT
AB 2580, as introduced, Simitian. Dangerous weapons. Existing law generally regulates various dangerous weapons, including short-barreled shotguns, short-barreled rifles, machine guns, assault weapons, and destructive devices. Allege 1993 [b]feinstein/hci[/b] master plan for TOTAL Gun Confiscation Dis-Armament. * Banning of all machine guns, destructive devices, short shotguns/ rifles, assault weapons, Saturday Night Specials and Non-Sporting Ammunition. Another coincidence. Hoax or Too Real. ^[size=1] [url]www.cures-not-wars.org/[/url] Truth Will Liberate Earth. [url]www.RKBA.org/antis/hci-master[/url]Allege 1993 [b]feinstein/hci[/b] master plan for TOTAL Gun Confiscation Dis-Armament. [url]http://www.DigitalAngel.net/[/url]Revelation 13:18 ID-GPS-MONEY Implant Micro-chip Never Again, Never Forget Seek the Truth , Liberate Your Mind We Are At WAR [/size=1] FIXED BAYONETS VX
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 10:56:21 AM EDT
btt
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 10:59:17 AM EDT
The scary $hit is the fact that what happens in Kalifornistan usually works its way east.
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 11:10:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Schnert: The scary $hit is the fact that what happens in Kalifornistan usually works its way east.
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Not necessarily true. NJ and HI banned hicaps mag before CA NJ banned AW before CA. CA may have started it with RR89 but NJ took it to a new level that CA followed. IL had the FOID before CA put a bill in to lic handgun owners. CCW is a form of registration Albeit CA is more hi profile.
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 11:43:02 AM EDT
Don Perata is planning a $.02 tax per bullet. Lets see other states top that.
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 12:32:51 PM EDT
I don't know how you people can continue to defend that POS state. If I had to choose between moving to California and being cornholed to death by a tribe of syphilitic Pygmies, I believe I'd have to sit down and think it over. QS
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 1:10:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By QuietShootr: I don't know how you people can continue to defend that POS state. If I had to choose between moving to California and being cornholed to death by a tribe of syphilitic Pygmies, I believe I'd have to sit down and think it over. QS
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I'm sure there are people in San Francisco and West Hollywood who would consider that not such a bad way to go.
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 4:25:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2002 4:27:37 PM EDT by eje]
This bill does [i]not[/i] authorize DOJ to inspect your house if you registered an AW. An AW registration is not the same thing as a permit under the Cal. Penal Code. If all you did was register your AW, you don't have a permit. You would apply for a permit if you wanted to get an AW after the registration deadline, or if you wanted a machine gun for example. If you have a permit, the firearms or destructive devices on the permit are required to be kept in the same place as the permit, and the permit is subject to inspection. The inspection part of the legislation isn't anything new. In short, this isn't the "line in the sand" legislation. There was probably some incident where a permit holder couldn't account for a permitted firearm, and some legislator looked into it and realized that nobody was doing the inspections that the Penal code already authorized.
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