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Posted: 3/26/2002 8:13:08 PM EDT
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Scarecrow, by any chance, have you read "MiG Pilot"?
If you want to know how much worse it can get, read that book. |
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Posted: 3/26/2002 8:16:32 PM EDT
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you know whats sad, when i start looking for a wife (still a long way off since i am still 17), i will have to make sure she does not have any STDs, make sure she wasnt a guy once in her life, and make sure she was never a lesbo. further more, when i get married, people will prob think its odd that i would marry a person of the other sex. i guess owning machineguns was before my time. although going to public school, i am sure i am perfectly trained to use one! [50]
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Posted: 3/26/2002 8:20:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Scarecrow, by any chance, have you read "MiG Pilot"? If you want to know how much worse it can get, read that book. could you tell me more about this book Doublefeed? |
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Posted: 3/26/2002 8:32:04 PM EDT
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I would say Russia is pretty bad off and I know what you are talking about as far as things being worse. SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING??? WE HAVE A LOT FARTHER TO GO??? WILL THAT TIME COME WHEN WE CAN NO LONGER OWN PROPERTY AND ARE WAITING IN GRUEL LINES AND RECIEVING OUR RATIONS OF ROTTEN LINSEED OIL AND A LOAF OF BREAD FOR THE WEEK AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE RUNNING THE COUNTRY?? AND HAVE OUTLAWED EVERYTHING EXCEPT THEIR OWN POWER AND WE GO HOME AND MIX OUR PEANUT HULLS WITH GLUE AND EAT THAT AND LET OUR CHILDREN HAVE THE BREAD.
Yes fight for it now before it is too late. Benjamin |
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Posted: 3/26/2002 8:35:55 PM EDT
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I keep telling myself we have a long way to go to get to the bottom, but we're definitely on the way down. Enjoy the ride!
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Posted: 3/26/2002 8:36:28 PM EDT
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Its all because of that damn rap music shit.
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Posted: 3/26/2002 8:36:32 PM EDT
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You know, things just haven't been the same since the worst school massacre. Of course, I'm referring to the one in Wisconsin that killed 38 students--in 1937. The janitor did it with a bomb. To hell in a handbasket, I tell ya. [}:D]
Things have always been exactly the same. This evening we heard of a massacre that occurred in Paris, France. The rapid transfer of information is the only thing that has changed. |
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Posted: 3/26/2002 8:37:29 PM EDT
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BAN RAP Music for the children!
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Posted: 3/26/2002 8:40:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: you know whats sad, when i start looking for a wife (still a long way off since i am still 17), i will have to make sure she does not have any STDs, make sure she wasnt a guy once in her life, and make sure she was never a lesbo. further more, when i get married, people will prob think its odd that i would marry a person of the other sex. i guess owning machineguns was before my time. although going to public school, i am sure i am perfectly trained to use one! [50] Why couldn't your future wife be a former lesbo? I wish mine was, we could share. [:D] |
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Posted: 3/26/2002 8:54:27 PM EDT
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lol....hey good point!!!!!![sex][sex][sex[sex]]
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Posted: 3/26/2002 8:57:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: You know, things just haven't been the same since the worst school massacre. Of course, I'm referring to the one in Wisconsin that killed 38 students--in 1937. The janitor did it with a bomb. To hell in a handbasket, I tell ya. [}:D] Things have always been exactly the same. This evening we heard of a massacre that occurred in Paris, France. The rapid transfer of information is the only thing that has changed. Amen! Funny people forget about that school bombing. Even back then in the days of "slow" communication, that still made the front page of most of the big city papers... Yet people did not jump to the conclusion that this incident, or any one single incident, "said" anything about society. They only paid attention if there was a number of similar incidents that suggested a pattern. Of course being in the 8th year of the Great Depression had a tendancy to make most people stoic about a whole lot of things... And I see that schools in Canada are as bad as the ones here in the US, still refering to the "fall" of the Roman Empire like in Gibbons "Rise and Fall of..". The Roman Empire lasted over 1500 years, its "fall" only began on the eve of the First Crusade in the 11th century. The last Roman Emperor died fighting Muslims in the streets of Constantanople only 40 years before Columbus came to the new world. The United States is just 226 years old, the Roman Republic lasted for more than twice as long as the United States has been around. And the Republic only lasted 1/3rd as long as the Empire. Now if you want to worry about something, compare how much we are becoming like England, which had the biggest empire the world has ever known- but had it for less than 200 years... Except that we are not becoming very much like England, in spite of Bill Clintons best efforts to the contrary. |
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Posted: 3/26/2002 9:25:49 PM EDT
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Who said this?
Our youth now loves luxury, they have bad manners, contempt for authority, disrespect for older people, children nowadays are tyrants... they contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers. ~Socrates. |
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Posted: 3/26/2002 9:26:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: Isn't it funny where the world is going? You people remember the days when anyone could own a machine gun, there where never shootings at schools, people knew their neighbors, people almost never got a divorce, hunting was like any other sport, people where proud of their country, men married women and had children, life was simple. I remember a day when kids were forced to work in sweat shops here in the US for pennies just to help their families survive. I remember a day when the police winked at men who knocked their wives around. I remember a day when there were huge race riots in this country that dwarfed the LA Riot in intensity and happened in many cities. I remember a day when unrestrained hunting and trapping very nearly drove many species into extinction. I remember a day when a woman COULDN'T divorce a man because there was no way she could get a job that made enough to support herself if she did. I DON'T remember a day when political corruption wasn't the norm, all the way back to the first Stone Age cities. I DON'T remember a day when humans didn't have among them criminals, the violent or the abusive. We think our problems are worse because they are ours. |
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Posted: 3/26/2002 9:28:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Our youth now loves luxury, they have bad manners, contempt for authority, disrespect for older people, children nowadays are tyrants... they contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers. ~Socrates. "The budget should be balanced. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered, and assistanceship to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt."---Cicero, 63 B.C. |
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Posted: 3/26/2002 9:45:32 PM EDT
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Just because things are better then they use to be does that mean its time to give up and be happy with the way things are? There is always space for improvement and its thanks to complaining people like me that kids don't have to work in sweat shops for pennies and that women can vote.
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Posted: 3/26/2002 9:47:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Our youth now loves luxury, they have bad manners, contempt for authority, disrespect for older people, children nowadays are tyrants... they contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers. ~Socrates. "The budget should be balanced. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered, and assistanceship to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt."---Cicero, 63 B.C. "Being wise is what you say, not who you quote."---Scarecrow, 2002 A.D. |
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Posted: 3/26/2002 11:06:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Our youth now loves luxury, they have bad manners, contempt for authority, disrespect for older people, children nowadays are tyrants... they contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers. ~Socrates. "The budget should be balanced. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered, and assistanceship to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt."---Cicero, 63 B.C. "Being wise is what you say, not who you quote."---Scarecrow, 2002 A.D. LOL! How true. That's probably the most insightful statement I've yet heard you utter. |
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Posted: 3/27/2002 12:48:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: Except that we are not becoming very much like England, in spite of Bill Clintons best efforts to the contrary. Yet... We only need a few elections to go "wrong", and this nation will be right up there with the British. All the same elements are present and at work here also. I remember a day when kids were forced to work in sweat shops here in the US for pennies just to help their families survive. Yeah, most of those type jobs are off shore in China now... Mom and Dad now work fulltime to support their "improved" standard of living.[IMG]http://216.40.201.240/s/contrib/ruinkai/rolleyea.gif[/IMG] I remember a day when the police winked at men who knocked their wives around. Yeah, now raise your voice to your wife and you are in jail for domestic violence. Much better now...[img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/rolleyes2.gif[/img] I remember a day when there were huge race riots in this country that dwarfed the LA Riot in intensity and happened in many cities. Let the government checks stop coming every month and see how long before that comes back![IMG]http://www.duhspot.com/users/smiley/s/otn/angry/ticking.gif[/IMG] I remember a day when unrestrained hunting and trapping very nearly drove many species into extinction. Now mountain lions can eat people and "we must protect the species"...the lions that is...[IMG]http://www.duhspot.com/users/smiley/s/ups/kiss_my_ass/ouch.gif[/IMG] I remember a day when a woman COULDN'T divorce a man because there was no way she could get a job that made enough to support herself if she did. Now divorce is so common and accepted, we watch a TV show where people get divorced in 30 minutes, with commercials! [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/boohoo.gif[/img] I DON'T remember a day when political corruption wasn't the norm, all the way back to the first Stone Age cities. Now we watch a president on TV lie straight to our faces and don't run him out of office instantly. We sure have improved in that area also.[img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/sardonic.gif[/img] I DON'T remember a day when humans didn't have among them criminals, the violent or the abusive. Now we have mothers drowning their children and people are on TV telling us we "must understand her problems".[IMG]http://216.40.198.77/mysmilies/s/ups/kiss_my_ass/mad.gif[/IMG] We think our problems are worse because they are ours. Maybe the problems are the same, but our reaction to them has sure changed... [IMG]http://216.40.201.240/s/contrib/aahmed/sad.gif[/IMG] |
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Posted: 3/27/2002 1:01:06 AM EDT
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So very well said platform389. Nothing further.
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Posted: 3/27/2002 4:17:38 AM EDT
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Redray, yes, I can. It is the story of Lt. Viktor Belenko's defection from the Soviet Union to Japan, in 1976, seeking political asylum in the United States. Political Defectors aren't that noteworthy, except this one brought along his MiG-25, and landed quite unannounced into the pattern at a busy civilian airfield (he had to go around a Boeing 727 that was taking off to avoid a midair) and he landed on a runway that was 800 feet shorter than anything that a MiG-25 had landed on before.
All through the book, Belenko's thought process is chronicled, noting a shift from liking communism to having doubts to hating everything it was because of the abuses and lies and rampant corruption. Some examples: People had to wait in lines for many hours to get into stores, and once you got in there, there was no guarantee that the food you got was going to be fresh or moldy. Every hundred miles or so, police set up road blocks, and everybody who couldn't pay them money on the spot got a citation for a traffic violation. Buildings would get built, and then the final inspection reports would be forged on a regular basis. One time, the building that Belenko was staying in actually split in two. The worksmanship was so bad and nobody cared to take responsibility that it just broke apart. They tried to save it, but they ended up tearing it down. In upwards of 3/4s of the people had a major alcoholism problem. Nothing ever smelled clean. There were quotas at factories, but nobody cared about their work, so the quotas were met, but never exceeded. Often things were done shoddily the first couple of times and had to be redone, just to preserve job security. The harvests every year came as a big emergency, because nobody was prepared for them. Large acreage of food of every kind just rotted away because there was nobody to harvest it. The Soviet Union for years was buying food from us because they never had enough. True Communism was supposed to be realized in 1980. On the other hand, Belenko was shocked to come over here and find out about the welfare system we have. "You mean people can get paid for not working?" He also noted the very good medical insurance we have, and the fact that we loved our freedom enough to fight for it. He specificially mentioned guns in this context. It can get worse, but while you are fighting it, don't forget to be thankful for what you have now. |
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Posted: 3/27/2002 4:52:41 AM EDT
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There's a good book called "The Way We Never Were" by Stephanie Coontz that covers this subject about American Families and the Nostalgia Trap. It's ISBN number is 0-465-09097-4 if you want to see if you can find a copy. I think it was printed in 92.
It really blows out of the water a lot of myths and half-truths about our "family values" and better times way back when. |
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Posted: 3/27/2002 4:54:12 AM EDT
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It can get worse, but while you are fighting it, don't forget to be thankful for what you have now. Very well said....and yes, I read the book. He didn't know if he did the right thing, he has so many unanswered questions in his mind....And then he saw the light, the truth, and the answers. |
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Posted: 3/27/2002 5:02:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: You know, things just haven't been the same since the worst school massacre. Of course, I'm referring to the one in Wisconsin that killed 38 students--in 1937. The janitor did it with a bomb. To hell in a handbasket, I tell ya. [}:D] Sorry, that isn't the worst. [url=http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bauerle/bathlink.htm]Bath MI school bombing[/url] Andrew Kehoe (45) The first mad bomber in U.S. soil, on May 18, 1927, Andy blew up a school in Bath, Michigan, [b]killing 45 people, 37 of them children.[/b] After detonating explosives he planted under the school, "maniac bomber" Andrew Kehoe, a school board member and treasurer and farmer, blew up his pickup truck, killing himself and the Bath School superintendent. |
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Posted: 3/27/2002 5:42:19 AM EDT
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OOOOOOPS! I received a nice e-mail from f4yr correcting my sorry retelling of the worst school massacre in American history. I am sorry for the failing memory. Obviously no intention to put out bad info. Sorry, all! Thanks, Paul! [:)]
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Posted: 3/27/2002 5:52:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Just because things are better then they use to be does that mean its time to give up and be happy with the way things are? Of course that's not anywhere near the point I was trying to make, as you would well know if you thought about it for more than two seconds. Your original post was that things were going to hell and were so much worse now than they used to be. I was correcting that misperception. Feel free to try to make things better, only know that you'll never make them PERFECT. |
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Posted: 3/27/2002 5:52:51 AM EDT
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Not trying to bust your chops, I just figured you hadn't heard of Bath. My wife grew up there, that's how I knew about it.
Both stories prove the point - [b]It's NOT the guns stupid, it's the bad guys![/b] |
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Posted: 3/27/2002 5:53:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: "Being wise is what you say, not who you quote."---Scarecrow, 2002 A.D. Yet again you show a wonderful talent for missing the point. The point was that the problems we have now that seem so modern are very very ancient. Perhaps you need to read twice and think three times before you post once. |
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Posted: 3/27/2002 5:57:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: So very well said platform389. Nothing further. Actually, it was not that well said. He did nothing to counter the points I made, merely lamenting the worst parts of the good things we have. Sure, it ain't perfect. Nothing ever is, because we have the handicap of having to work with these imperfect, emotional, illogical things called HUMANS. |
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Posted: 3/27/2002 6:02:04 AM EDT
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Too many kids and not enough parents.
Too many people that don't understand personal responsibility. Too much television and not enough reading. Too much internet and gameboy and not enough church, temple (etc.) Too much welfare and public assistance and not enough people staying in school - strike that - not enough people learning in school. |
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