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Posted: 3/24/2002 6:22:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2002 5:17:16 PM EDT by Paul]
Got this in my Email, IT is a good question and TRUE
Quite honestly I had not noticed that Wal-mart does not fly our flag. What a surprise. I have run across a situation that I think should be changed; it upset me and so I decided to put it out on the Internet. If you decide to forward this note to your friends, that's fine-if not, that's okay, too. Maybe I'm wrong in feeling this way, but this is what I found on Friday, October 12, 2001. I ran to our local Wal-Mart store before I went to work. I needed a couple of items before we left at noon for a short vacation. While I was being checked out at the counter, I realized that I had not noticed an American Flag flying outside and asked the clerk why there wasn't one. I was told that the policy is that Wal-Mart does not provide flags to their stores- rather, each store must provide their own-at this store, the employees would have to take up a collection among themselves to make the purchase of the flag, pole & flood light. I was sure there was a misunderstanding in that policy somewhere, but needed to hurry off to work, so I didn't pursue the problem. As I drove to work I became more and more upset to think that the Company "seems" to encourage patriotism and "Buy American" won't even, in these days of horror and heroism and war on terrorism, provide their stores with flags to show their support!! When I got to work I told my co-employees what I had found that morning and they agreed that I must be mistaken-Wal-Mart would not have a policy that made individual stores/employees purchase their own flag, "for heavens sake"!! My co-employees suggested I just call Wal-Marts corporate offices and there I would discover the truth to this misunderstanding. So, I did. I called the Corporate office and spoke to their representative. By the way, their number is 1-800-Wal-Mart. Do you know what I was told? I wasn't misunderstanding their policy! Each store must provide their own flag-if the store can't fit the expense into their budget, then the employees have to take up a collection. Now, I find this a disgrace. I have always noticed the large flags flying at every Perkins Pancake House-they always fly the flag, even when there isn't a National Emergency. But here's Wal-Mart, the company who has become wealthy beyond measure in this great Country of ours; who claims to be "one big happy family", who recommends we "Buy American", but who cannot/will not provide a flag pole/flag and light to each of their stores wherever they are. Would this be expensive? Oh, somewhat, I agree, but I hear that Wal-Mart is planning to build many new stores in the near future and that, possibly, they will make every existing store into a "super-store". Now, I realize that expanding like that will bring in more money and make them wealthier still-where providing flags to all their stores would only COST money and not add money to their fortune. Maybe, just maybe, not providing flags to their stores and not flying the flag in support of our Country will start costing them more money-maybe I will start looking more closely for the flag before I shop and begin supporting the smaller stores who don't worry so much about the "bottom line", but rather are happy to spend some money to show they really love America. Do you think I am really way off base on this, or do you feel the same. Thanks for taking the time to think about this with me.
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A mission for the AR15.com Army maybe?
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 6:32:28 AM EDT
I would rather people not fly it, then be forced to fly it. YMMV.
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 6:36:44 AM EDT
It's bullshit. Don't you just *love* the internet sometimes? [(:|)] [url]http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/noflag.htm[/url] Bookmark this page... [url]http://www.snopes2.com/index.html[/url]
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 6:49:14 AM EDT
Thanks DScott, feel better now.
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 6:53:29 AM EDT
If you want to get upset about something walmart does, just take a look at all the imported crap they sell. That, and all the small time businesses they put out of business when they come in and *take over* a town. And we jut keep on buying stuff there, because it's a little cheaper. Capitalism in action, I guess. It is the American way, after all...
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 8:32:15 AM EDT
I try not to shop at "Wally World" myself, but at times, they are the only game in town. They brag the most that they buy American whenever they can; but personally for me, the people brag the most are usually do the opposite. These @$$holes would sell their wife if they can make a buck at it.
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 8:37:35 AM EDT
I think some people would sell their wives even if they wouldn't make a buck at it. [}:D]
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 8:45:12 AM EDT
1 cheesy pair of pants = Walmart@$15 = 1 week 1 pair of pants = JC Pennys@$30 = 2 years I get what I pay for, screw you Walmart.
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 8:58:20 AM EDT
What do you mean by "Buy American"? All their crap is made in China! DScott: You can have a capitalist economy sans insane trade agreements.
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 9:20:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By shooter69: What do you mean by "Buy American"? All their crap is made in China! DScott: You can have a capitalist economy sans insane trade agreements.
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I'm all for capitalism, and think it's great. Plus, I've got no problem with imports (think Porsche! [:)]). I prefer to support local businesses and am willing to pay more to do so. Quality gets my dollar every time. What are you supposed to do with Americans that profit from these trade agreements, though? Walmart, is, after all just taking advantage of the world as it is...
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 9:42:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 9:53:55 AM EDT
[i]sigh[/i]
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 10:05:14 AM EDT
I've got one better. The Patriot Statue that one receives when becoming a sponsor ($200.00-$10K donation) at a Friends of NRA Banquet is made in....you guessed it...China. Now that's irony.
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 10:16:36 AM EDT
Ok kids, we're going waaay off base here. I happen to work for Wal-Mart in the IT Department (We call it ISD). We do fly the Flag, we even have a full-sized poster of the Bill of Rights in the foyer of the building where I work. I was at Store 1 (Rogers, AR) and Store 100 (Bentonville, AR) and Store 2741 (Neighborhood Market, Bentonville, AR) and ALL had flags flying...same goes for the Home Office and the David Glass Technology Center (where I work) all in the past 10 days, And The Flags Were Still There. 'nuff said. Buy American? Try FINDING American in terms of a lot of product lines. Are there American-made Camcorders? No. Are there American-made DVD Players? No. There are lots of American-made items we do sell: Remington, Winchester, Marlin, Ruger, T/C...ring any bells, here? Wal-Mart does not exist to eliminate competition, we encourage it. If you want to buy a $20.00 professional-grade hammer, you will likely not find it at Wal-Mart. Most people will not buy a $20.00 hammer anyway, but I know a lot of people here pride themselves on name brands and top-notch quality. Wal-Mart sellls to the comsumer, not the specialist. We buy in tremendous volume to keep costs low. A good deal of American suppliers can't meet the demand. Wal-Mart is a MERCHANT. We sell what the majority wants, and what will turn us a profit with satisfaction to the customer. We employ over 1.3 million people, and they get paid every two weeks. That is what drives the economy: people buying and selling (and selling what sells), thus creating employment. Think about it a little before you get all high and mighty about buy American.
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 10:38:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Acheron: ... Wal-Mart is a MERCHANT. We sell what the majority wants, and what will turn us a profit with satisfaction to the customer. We employ over 1.3 million people, and they get paid every two weeks. That is what drives the economy: people buying and selling (and selling what sells), thus creating employment. ...
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It occurs to me that you could just as easily be talking about your average heroin or crack dealer... Buy American! [:P] (Mostly kidding... [:D] )
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 10:43:16 AM EDT
Well put, and also I might add, an old jab against free trade put forth by communists.
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 10:54:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott: I'm all for capitalism, and think it's great. Plus, I've got no problem with imports (think Porsche! [:)]). I prefer to support local businesses and am willing to pay more to do so. Quality gets my dollar every time. What are you supposed to do with Americans that profit from these trade agreements, though? Walmart, is, after all just taking advantage of the world as it is...
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I agree with you, and naturally understand the last point. The only thing I can do is be selective in what I buy, and advocate a change in our trade policy. Competing with Chinese labor is no different than competing with slave labor.
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 10:58:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 11:27:38 AM EDT
So it doesn't bother you pro-walmart type guys to enrich the chinese here? I guess it doesn't matter if they're signing your checks every week... "Communist"? Bwahaha! Aren't most of you the same guys who are expecting the hordes of chinese invaders to come over the horizon any minute now? I think it's safe to say they'e gonna conquer us via economic means before they ever have to fire a shot in that battle. Just don't go all out and call me a "liberal"- I don't think I could stand *that*! [:D]
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 11:35:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Wolfpack: Like I said there are AMERICAN companies, how many of you losers drive a Toyota, Kia, Nissan, or Hyundai?? I love seeing all of these Jap cars with big American flags on them, real F***ing patriotic, save your time, I saw how much you love this country when I saw rice coming out of your exhaust pipe.
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Toyota manufactures here, and most likely pays their employees more than Walmart does.
Originally Posted By DScott: Just don't go all out and call me a "liberal"- I don't think I could stand *that*!
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I know how the truth can hurt sometimes! [:D]
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 11:35:47 AM EDT
While I never shop *in* walmart (buying cheap chinesse shit is not for me), I do buy Walmart at every oppurtunity. Shoot, Walmart alone has bought our second house. Great stock.
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 11:36:18 AM EDT
My disgruntlement with Walmart is based on the poor quality of their products. We do some basic shopping there, but when it comes to quality, I go elswere. I have gotten home with items only to find out it has some hardcore evidence it is a 2nd. Example: A few years back, I bought a 10/22 from Walmart. When I got home and opened the box, (I never looked at it in the store) it had a seriously scratched up used gun in there with a factory Ruger repair requisition slip in the box. I immediatly took it back and demanded a new one. The store manager refused until I showed him the repair slip and threatened to take it to the media to show them what Walmart sells. That's just one of many stories I have to tell about the low quality crap Walmart sells. As in my earlier reply, there's the pair of pants that lasted a week. It liturally fell apart in the wash. We called them the wash away pants. We didn't even bother taking them back, we just shop elsewere when it comes to anything that's non-consumable.
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 11:47:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Wolfpack: Wal Mart is great for all of us who do not live in the glass house on the hill as I guess most of you do, what's so wrong with trying to save a buck, you know Wal Mart is an AMERICAN company who hires lots of AMERICANS right?? I don't understand everyone here who aganist Wal Mart, are you the same who would like to see Microsoft go out of business? Like I said there are AMERICAN companies, how many of you losers drive a Toyota, Kia, Nissan, or Hyundai?? I love seeing all of these Jap cars with big American flags on them, real F***ing patriotic, save your time, I saw how much you love this country when I saw rice coming out of your exhaust pipe.
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Please, don't start on the American vs. import cars thing, because then we'll have to discuss the difference between cost vs. value. Imports provided Americans with real value, were better made, and lasted longer than almost all domestics. Now they're all mutts, built with many imported parts ... Hondas are made in Tennesse now, or someplace here, aren't they.
Originally Posted By shooter69: ... I know how the truth can hurt sometimes! [:D]
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Shhhhhh! [;)]
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 1:06:42 PM EDT
Sorta OT, but the dolphins I was awarded for qualifying submarines ( A US military award) were made in Japan. Said so right on the back. Beat that one for irony.
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 1:11:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 1:29:47 PM EDT
You guys are seriously behind the times. Buy American means almost nothing anymore. This is a global economy like it or not. The US economy is almost entirely a service economy at this point anyway and ALL companies aquire products for distribution from the CHEAPEST source possible. If they didn't the management should and would be fired! You MUST control costs to compete in a global economy. There are no clear cut American or Foreign products any longer. Case in point: I drive a Chevy Suburban. Can't get more American than that, except that it was assembled in Canada with an engine from Mexico, electronics from Japan, Korea and China and other parts from literally all over the world. Go check out your own car and look closely at where all the parts came from. On the other hand I had a Izuzu Rodeo that was made in Kentucky which also had parts from all over the world in it! Even if something says "made in the USA" do you really think the raw materials to make it came from here? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Don't be so ignorant about the state of this global economy today! Crack open your Gateway or Dell or other "American" computer and find one single US made part!
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 1:52:06 PM EDT
Winchester white box, 100rnd 9mm @ WALMART!![:D]!!
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 2:12:44 PM EDT
The Wal-Mart in my town flies both the American and Texas flag day and night (illuminated)
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 5:02:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wolfpack: DScott, my point is, where does the money go when a car is bought?? Hint...(Japan). I know they hire American workers, but the Company is still run from Japan, Wal Mart is an AMERICAN company.
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I got your point. Did you understand mine? But think about what's actually involved: different amounts paid to suppliers, paid to employees, and profit. Only some of it goes to Japan, the rest gets spread around the globe. Like I said, now most cars are mutts, and there's all sorts of people getting a piece of most international/multinational business no matter which country the head office in located. We should worship true capitalism, where the smartest and strongest survive economically, no matter what. Right?
Link Posted: 3/24/2002 5:24:10 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/24/2002 5:43:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/25/2002 9:05:45 AM EDT
Years ago in the Air Force I used to have the U.S. vs. import car debate with a co-worker all the time. He drove a ford ranger. Flatly refused to consider a forigen car. When I pointed out that the Dodge mini van I drove was made in Canada and my F-150 had an engine made in Canada, his reply was that since Canada was in North America, it might as well be American. (a thought not to popular with my Canadian wife) It was then pointed out that my sons Toyota was built in California by U.S. workers, who inturn spent their money in California. Another co-worker added that his Nissan was built in Tenn. This guy still refused to see the conection. Yea, just try to buy an American camera, camcorder, motorcycle, tv........
Link Posted: 3/26/2002 3:19:08 AM EDT
Walmart is cool. They helped us push Kmart into Bankrupcy, after all. They offer value. What could be more American?
Link Posted: 3/26/2002 3:39:06 AM EDT
I think K-Mart flew (PT) the flag. As was mentioned, W*M is [b]GREAT[/b] stock. We love it! Bonus for mgt. is very healthy! I got lots of new tooling, courtesy of W*M's treatment of mgt.
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