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Posted: 3/13/2002 2:36:39 PM EDT
I was on this site and I saw Ironman0311 taking about how the Marines might go back to 7.62. This is what he said.
The Marine Corps may go back to a 308 rifle for individual issue, counter-trendy as that might appear!
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[url]http://www.falfiles.com/cgi-bin/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=019639 [/url]
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 2:43:28 PM EDT
I think there is about as much chance of that occuring as there is of the Marines re-adopting the Krag. Ain't gonna happen.
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 2:53:28 PM EDT
No we are not, there were plans a long time ago to add 1 DMR per rifle squad. That went away and now the DMRs are back since Afganistan, but the basis of issue has yet to be fixed.
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 3:10:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By STLRN: No we are not, there were plans a long time ago to add 1 DMR per rifle squad. That went away and now the DMRs are back since Afganistan, but the basis of issue has yet to be fixed.
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"DMR" ??? M14 variant ?
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 3:40:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/13/2002 3:41:58 PM EDT by marvl]
Designated Marksmans Rifle, I think. It doesn't imply a specific type, but would probably be an M14 type at the present.
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 3:44:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cnatra:
Originally Posted By STLRN: No we are not, there were plans a long time ago to add 1 DMR per rifle squad. That went away and now the DMRs are back since Afganistan, but the basis of issue has yet to be fixed.
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"DMR" ??? M14 variant ?
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The "DMR" in this case happens to be a reworked M14 but it means "Designated Marksman Rifle". So, it could mean any rifle used by a "Designated Markman" which is a position created to fill in the gap between the infantry rifleman and the trained sniper. The best shoooters in the group are chosen and this enhances the range and effectiveness of a rifle squad when engaging an enemy.
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 3:47:51 PM EDT
Seems like if they did, the Armalite AR10T Carbine would be a good choice.
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 3:55:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By marvl: Designated Marksmans Rifle, I think. It doesn't imply a specific type, but would probably be an M14 type at the present.
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marvl, I have exactly zero knowledge of this subject but suspect the Marines would have better luck in procuring SR-25's than M-14's. If for no other reason than the SR-25 is in some use now. It seems the Marines are still too often shafted in the weapons they want. I remember when the Marines wanted the Stoner 63 but were flatly told no.
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 3:57:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/13/2002 4:04:48 PM EDT by 5subslr5]
Originally Posted By DonR: Seems like if they did, the Armalite AR10T Carbine would be a good choice.
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but military procurement ? (Would be a fine choice !) It has all been so long ago that it's easy to forget Eugene Stoner, designer of the ArmaLite AR-10 didn't believe in the 5.56mm for military use. While at ArmaLite, Stoner only designed two rifles the AR-10 and the AR-16 - both in 7.62.
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 4:33:40 PM EDT
A 10TC? 16" for a DMR? They would be better served with scoped std. config'd 10A4. Dave S Don't believe me? Ask me, I'll tell ya.
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 6:12:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DaveS: A 10TC? 16" for a DMR? They would be better served with scoped std. config'd 10A4. Dave S Don't believe me? Ask me, I'll tell ya.
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OK, I'll ask [:D]
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 6:19:12 PM EDT
It'll be 7.62x63. Bring back the Garand.
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 6:34:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Boomer: I think there is about as much chance of that occuring as there is of the Marines re-adopting the Krag. Ain't gonna happen.
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Now, why do you have to start knockin' the Krag?
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 6:44:25 PM EDT
Personally, I doubt we will ever go back to a .308 round or a 30.06 round. I think whenever NATO gets around to adopting a new round and rifle I think it will be a caseless design that offers beter ballistic preformance and penetration then the current 5.56mm SS109 round, but allow the solider to carry more rounds for the same weight and have greater amunition capacity. Prehaps a single flechete in a sabot to protect the propellant and act as a heat sink to side step the problems encountered by the G-11.
Link Posted: 3/13/2002 6:44:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5: It seems the Marines are still too often shafted in the weapons they want.
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The USMC was the driving force behind the development of the M16A2. They wanted it, they got it. That being said, as a former Marine of the "modern era" ie. M16A1. I can tell you the M-14 and M1911A1 are legends at the user level of the USMC and every Marine secretly dreams of getting them back in service. At least 20 years ago we did.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 1:47:28 AM EDT
The M14 is still indeed a legend in the Corps, but as most legends it is more hype than substance
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 2:20:08 AM EDT
They should get T/C Encores. That way, if they run out of one caliber of ammo, they can switch to another.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 5:25:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sukebe:
Originally Posted By 5subslr5: It seems the Marines are still too often shafted in the weapons they want.
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The USMC was the driving force behind the development of the M16A2. They wanted it, they got it. That being said, as a former Marine of the "modern era" ie. M16A1. I can tell you the M-14 and M1911A1 are legends at the user level of the USMC and every Marine secretly dreams of getting them back in service. At least 20 years ago we did.
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Sorry about my error. I had been lead to believe too often the choices of the Army influenced the Marine Corps and too often the Marines were not pleased with Army choices. Perhaps things have changed or perhaps the Marine Corps was always allowed to make their own choices - devoid of Army influence.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 5:29:50 AM EDT
I'd love to see the Garand come back. But thinking about all those sore thumbs makes me whince. [:)]
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 5:49:50 AM EDT
Would you like to read an interesting story about some of the first M16s that were issued to the Marine Corps in Vietnam, and how we got to what we have now in the M16A2? Part II goes into the effectiveness (or not) of the 5.56mm round. [url]jdumong.net/delta/m-16Part1.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 6:09:12 AM EDT
Thank you Jarhead-22 for that link.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 6:17:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By satcong: Thank you Jarhead-22 for that link.
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No problem. It's certainly not a pretty story, and illustrates again why McNamara should have been prosecuted in [b]this[/b] country as a war criminal.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 7:28:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2002 7:32:14 AM EDT by drjarhead]
Yeah, thanks for the link, fellow jarhead. Excellent read. I've always felt that McNamara was in the same category as Hanoi Jane. He performed a grave disservice to this country. All I can say is libs are really fucked up. Edited to say: At the beginning of this "war" I started a thread called "M-14 and sniper war?" It would seem little has changed and I continue to believe that snipers may be our best weapon in sending these terrorists to Allah. drjarhead out[:D]
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 9:26:48 AM EDT
Here´s a good thread from Tactical Forums regarding the DMR M14 rifle. Some of you may recogice the name Pat Rogers there....[;)] [url]http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum50/HTML/000087.html[/url]
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