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Link Posted: 10/1/2022 8:27:15 AM EDT
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This isn't news. Everyone knew that communist fuck had it bloodied hands in it's development the week it was released.
Link Posted: 10/1/2022 8:35:49 AM EDT
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He isnt wrong, the coronavirus cross transmission method was engineered at University of North Carolina before the 2013 moratorium on gain of function research, the NIH then funded and oversaw the transfer of that research data to the lab in Wuhan.  This is well known, I posted articles on it and the dangers from 2015 on this forum. At the time the science rags were calling the bat born coronavirus “SARS like”.
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Funny how the propaganda machine is fired up and suddenly, things we used "know," things that used to be "facts," suddenly become "misinformation" or "conspiracy theories."
This is how malleable our reality has become. Interesting times, indeed. People thought the internet would make things better, but it's actually made them worse.

Link Posted: 10/1/2022 8:58:54 AM EDT
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Fauci should be imprisoned
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You misspelled "hanged".
Link Posted: 10/1/2022 9:02:29 AM EDT
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Some of you will believe anything that fits with your worldview, won't you?
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Link Posted: 10/1/2022 9:05:53 AM EDT
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It's also just possible that incompetent people knew just enough science to create something dangerous and then managed to fuck up containment. Once out into the wild incompetent governments made up of diversity hires and yes men managed to fuck up the response even further with the main goal of avoiding blame and responsibility instead of making hard choices.
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I thought "the plan" was to have a pandemic in order to 1) cause mail in voting/ballot harvesting and to get T$ out of office, ie a dem overthrow of US politics, 2) China could reduce their aging population and also get T$ out of office for all his tariffs etc, and 3) crush global economies? Well except for some folks in power that made an insane amount of money off the vaccines and PPE sales, etc.

I mean if the powers that be want to kill off huge amounts of the populace and get their lackeys in positions of power all over the globe, this is certainly a way to put a huge amount of fear into most people's lives...

It's also just possible that incompetent people knew just enough science to create something dangerous and then managed to fuck up containment. Once out into the wild incompetent governments made up of diversity hires and yes men managed to fuck up the response even further with the main goal of avoiding blame and responsibility instead of making hard choices.


Is it possible? Yes.

Is sheer fucking incompetence likely to be the answer? No, malice was involved at some level, at the very least our own government’s response was.
Link Posted: 10/1/2022 9:21:54 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/1/2022 9:47:21 AM EDT
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It's all so tiresome
Link Posted: 10/1/2022 9:51:27 AM EDT
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This has been known from the beginning by anyone paying attention. The evidence has been open and available to anyone willing to take a look. In sorry,  was it not on CNN?
Link Posted: 10/1/2022 10:06:10 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/2/2022 11:34:23 PM EDT
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Yes, hopefully someone will bring up his testimony when Rand was grilling him. Fauci definitely was being evasive.
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Wasn't this suspected long ago?  

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

Yes, hopefully someone will bring up his testimony when Rand was grilling him. Fauci definitely was being evasive.


A Plague on Both our Houses (starring our boy Peter Daszak)

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2012/04/senate-committee-seeks-answers-h5n1-study-debate

Today's Senate committee hearing marked the first time officials have testified before Congress on the issue, and follows concerns raised in recent letters to federal officials by Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner, R-Wisc., who has questioned the Obama administration's safeguards on DURC and has inquired about allegations of bias that arose following an expert group's recommendation that helps clear the way for publication of the two papers.

The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs is the Senate's chief oversight committee and is led by Sen. Joseph Lieberman, Ind-Conn., the only member who questioned the witnesses during today's hearing, which was aired live on CSPAN and on the Senate committee's Web site. Federal officials who testified today included Anthony Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and Daniel Gerstein, PhD, deputy under secretary for science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

The two H5N1 studies that helped prompt today's hearing involve a team led by Ron Fouchier, PhD, of Erasmus University in the Netherlands, and a team led by Yoshihiro Kawaoka, DVM, PhD, of the University of Wisconsin, Madison.

Witnesses also included Paul Keim, PhD, acting chair of the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB), the independent expert group that advises the NIH in dual-use research issues, and Thomas Inglesby, MD, chief executive officer for the Center for Biosecurity at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Keim is also director of pathogen genomics in the Translational Genomics Research Institute at Northern Arizona University.

At the start of the hearing, Lieberman said he hoped the witnesses could shed light on recent charges from NSABB member Michael T. Osterholm, PhD, MPH, that the NIH shaped the agenda for the group's meeting  in late March to induce the board to reverse its earlier recommendation to withhold details of the H5N1 studies from publication. Osterholm aired his concerns in a letter to the NIH that was leaked to ScienceInsider. Osterholm is director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), the publisher of CIDRAP News.

Fauci told the committee that H5N1 is one of the NIH's research priorities, because flu viruses are known to undergo extensive genetic changes and can jump species. "The goal is to anticipate what the virus is continually trying to do on its own." He noted that a public misperception arising during the H5N1 debates was that the aerosolized virus was lethal to the ferrets used in the study. "That was not the case," he said.

The NIH's goal is ensure that research is conducted and communicated in a transparent manner and that the risks and benefits of research are thoroughly considered, Fauci said, adding that in this case, "The risk-benefit balance clearly tips toward benefit."

Gerstein said the DHS faces DURC issues with some of its research projects, such as work on foot-and-mouth disease (FMD). He stated that project managers at early stages are trained to watch for possible DURC issues. He said not all security concerns can be entirely addressed by US policies but that a new life-sciences DURC policy unveiled Mar 29 reflects much of the agency's work and that the DHS is already well equipped to implement the changes.

Lieberman asked Gerstein and Fauci how many of the agencys' research projects fall into the DURC category. Gerstein said that of 225 research projects, between 5 and 10 fall into the highest tier of concern. Fauci said that according to a recent NIH inventory, none of the 404 intramural research projects have DURC concerns, and 10 of 381 extramural projects raise DURC concerns. Of the 10, seven involve influenza, he noted.


https://spectatorworld.com/topic/anthony-fauci-dual-use-gain-function-research-senate/

Fauci's testimony about dual use research with DOD/DHS in 2012

ETA: As mentioned earlier in the thread, the US partnered with China and performed experiments at UNC and also in Texas (can't remember the university) for proof of concept with regards to bat coronaviruses.

Shortly thereafter (same year really, 2014) the the US banned this gain of function research from occurring within the US.  The Chinese took some curious actions around that time and in 2015 attempting to distance the west's observations of their activities including in the Wuhan lab.  The level 4 safety lab (vs. the level 2) was completed with the aid of the big French pharma company Meriuex I believe in 2017.  DOD via DARPA and NIH (the latter providing less money) continued to fund these projects in China via Ecohealth Alliance (which has ties to the UK because Peter is from there).

It should also be noted that Obama rescinded the ban on this testing on January 7, 2016 which is what allowed the further funding, Ecohealth, etc. but it never really stopped because as long as it was for national security DOD/NIH/CDC could fund it even during the ban hence the move to Malaysia and of course China.

My view has been that the lab leak theory was something the Chinese pushed on purpose for the simple reason that it would implicate the US and west's involvement in such research.  The Chinese either purposefully released it, which I don't think is the case, or they screwed up and pretended they didn't until they couldn't and came up with the magical lockdown/masking BS to pretend they had a solution to the problem they caused.  Of course, our leadership seemingly realized how exposed they were and copied and pasted it and the rest took the hive mind of the Big Club to take advantage of it all.
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