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Oh well. I apparently spent my last dollar on his ammo last week.
Not because of the mandate, but because of this “...don’t listen to anyone but us...”. Yea. Feel free to go fuck yourself steve. |
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"There is nothing you can do to avoid this." - Steve Hornady
Uhh fuck you Steve, me quitting is doing something to avoid this. Get fucked I hope they fold from lack of employees |
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Quoted: The issue is either a supplier or (more likely) a key vendor or sales channel for them is requiring it, and you either do it or lose the business. So if they sell a lot to DoD, or Wal Mart, etc., it's either do it or lose all business. View Quote I'm going to guess every box of ammo he offers for sale on the website would sell. Well that was yesterday I guess... today, not so much. |
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Looks like their social media team is having a hard time purging shit from facebook comments.
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Quoted: Decide whether they want to arm the people (ala PSA) or the tyrants. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Well honestly what do you expect them to do? Decide whether they want to arm the people (ala PSA) or the tyrants. If they have .gov contracts and don't comply they are toast. That's why they are using the OSHA angle here. OSHA is a nightmare. I don't agree with it, but I know why they are bending the knee. |
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I love their ammo and bullets. This is majorly disappointing. Guess it's off to see what else shoots well.
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So much collaborationist bullshit for a mandate that isn't even existent yet.
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Man. I wonder what ratio of their customer base are all about the Vax vs not.
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Quoted: There is no mandate. It's just a press release. No rule has been promulgated, and there is nothing to enforce. Fuck Hornady for this. Assholes. View Quote Not entirely true. There are two separate actions from Brandon: 1. OSHA rule applying to companies with 100+ employees. 2. EO applying to DOD employees and contractors and is the reason for the Dec 8 deadline. #1 is not in effect (yet). #2 is. People, like Hornaday, keep getting the two mixed up. |
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Quoted: If they have .gov contracts and don't comply they are toast. That's why they are using the OSHA angle here. OSHA is a nightmare. I don't agree with it, but I know why they are bending the knee. View Quote We know why they're doing it. They want to sell bullets to the bad guys. It's not like they wouldn't be able to survive selling only to civilians. |
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Quoted: If they have .gov contracts and don't comply they are toast. That's why they are using the OSHA angle here. OSHA is a nightmare. I don't agree with it, but I know why they are bending the knee. View Quote CCI sells ammo on their website... if it's in stock, y'know, not sold out because people bought it all. I guess you'd have to decide how much you want that govt cheese vs peoples money. |
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Nebraska’s governor said no way he’d allow the mandate here.
Then he gargled on Biden’s dick and said he actually won’t fight it, and now recommends vaccines. Lots of places in Nebraska are freaking out right now. We expected a Texas style fuck you to it. But our governor decided to tongue fuck Biden’s brown eye instead. |
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I've been using Hornady 60gr. V-Max bullets and Hornady brass exclusively for the past dozen years in Service Rifle competition. Even have a Hornady hat I wear every day.
But I got worried about component shortages and recently bought 1000 Sierra 60gr. Match King bullets, because they were available. But I will miss Hornady .223 brass. It's soft brass that's easy to trim, yet case length and neck tension remain constant up to five reloadings. Starline recently started offering .223 brass and I bought some. Will see how well they perform. If I like them, will buy more. |
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Quoted: What are they supposed to do? View Quote I have over 100 employees. I've not even considered typing up a bullshit letter like that yet. |
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Quoted: Not entirely true. There are two separate actions from Brandon: 1. OSHA rule applying to companies with 100+ employees. 2. EO applying to DOD employees and contractors and is the reason for the Dec 8 deadline. #1 is not in effect (yet). #2 is. People, like Hornaday, keep getting the two mixed up. View Quote Agree - Hornady is confusing the two, I think. If they have Federal contracts, they are forced into having everyone vaccinated. Otherwise, the OSHA rule allows employees to forego the vaccine and get tested weekly or whatever. |
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Guys, this is happening EVERYWHERE.
If a company relies on .gov contracts to survive, this is the situation they are in. It isn't the company's fault. I guarantee you that they don't want this. You have every right to be pissed off, but direct your anger properly. Be livid at this administration for putting the company in this position. Don't be mad at the company. |
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Quoted: Guys, this is happening EVERYWHERE. If a company relies on .gov contracts to survive, this is the situation they are in. It isn't the company's fault. I guarantee you that they don't want this. Be mad at this administration for putting the company in this position. Don't be mad at the company. View Quote Yea, but he's referencing the OSHA rule, and not the Federal Contract rule. At the very least, he's not communicating this properly. |
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Quoted: I'm going to guess every box of ammo he offers for sale on the website would sell. Well that was yesterday I guess... today, not so much. View Quote I'm not defending him, but ever since the big boys capitulated to Biden, every mid-size company that sells to businesses in their supply chain or to FedGov (which is almost every company) is between a rock and a hard place. I don't think he's going to lose many customers -- there continues to be huge demand for ammo, and believe it or not the quality and price of the ammo is the biggest factor people use to decide what ammo to buy. But for him and every other company out there, the biggest problem is employee attrition, the average person who works at Hornady will quit over this, I'd bet. He's not an idiot and he's made a decision. It's just a shitty situation all around promulgated by this administration. |
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Quoted: If they have .gov contracts and don't comply they are toast. That's why they are using the OSHA angle here. OSHA is a nightmare. I don't agree with it, but I know why they are bending the knee. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well honestly what do you expect them to do? Decide whether they want to arm the people (ala PSA) or the tyrants. If they have .gov contracts and don't comply they are toast. That's why they are using the OSHA angle here. OSHA is a nightmare. I don't agree with it, but I know why they are bending the knee. Hogwash. The EO does not have the force of law. In addition, .gov contracts are not unilateral. They have to be modified. If he's pulling this, it's because he's an asshole, not because he or his company has to. |
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Quoted: Not entirely true. There are two separate actions from Brandon: 1. OSHA rule applying to companies with 100+ employees. 2. EO applying to DOD employees and contractors and is the reason for the Dec 8 deadline. #1 is not in effect (yet). #2 is. People, like Hornaday, keep getting the two mixed up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: There is no mandate. It's just a press release. No rule has been promulgated, and there is nothing to enforce. Fuck Hornady for this. Assholes. Not entirely true. There are two separate actions from Brandon: 1. OSHA rule applying to companies with 100+ employees. 2. EO applying to DOD employees and contractors and is the reason for the Dec 8 deadline. #1 is not in effect (yet). #2 is. People, like Hornaday, keep getting the two mixed up. And neither has the force of law. It's optional. All Hornady has to do is not negotiate that clause into their EXISTING contracts. The .gov cannot mandate a contract mod, it doesn't work that way. |
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Quoted: Guys, this is happening EVERYWHERE. If a company relies on .gov contracts to survive, this is the situation they are in. It isn't the company's fault. I guarantee you that they don't want this. You have every right to be pissed off, but direct your anger properly. Be livid at this administration for putting the company in this position. Don't be mad at the company. View Quote It most assuredly is the company's fault. There is no force of law behind the EO nor can an EO unilaterally modify an existing contract. It's bullshit, plain and simple and Hornady decided to bow down and kiss the ring of the communists. Fuck them. |
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I need proof this is legit and not a fake notice before I voice my opinion regarding Hornady.
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Quoted: Guys, this is happening EVERYWHERE. If a company relies on .gov contracts to survive, this is the situation they are in. It isn't the company's fault. I guarantee you that they don't want this. You have every right to be pissed off, but direct your anger properly. Be livid at this administration for putting the company in this position. Don't be mad at the company. View Quote The way I see it, these companies have two choices: 1) Give the middle finger to the feds and say no we're not doing that. Enough companies do this, and the federal government will either blink or starve. 2) Comply, then collapse when half their employees quit. Still starves the government, but now the company no longer exists and 100% of its staff becomes unemployed. |
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Quoted: Guys, this is happening EVERYWHERE. If a company relies on .gov contracts to survive, this is the situation they are in. It isn't the company's fault. I guarantee you that they don't want this. You have every right to be pissed off, but direct your anger properly. Be livid at this administration for putting the company in this position. Don't be mad at the company. View Quote |
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You guys are acting like this was a personal decision.
Whoever owns Hornady went to their lawyers and said "Prez Potato said this, what do?" And this is what their lawyers told them to do. Hey you guys should be cheering this, their business their rules amirite? Go build bullets somewhere else if you don't want the jab? |
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Quoted: Guys, this is happening EVERYWHERE. If a company relies on .gov contracts to survive, this is the situation they are in. It isn't the company's fault. I guarantee you that they don't want this. You have every right to be pissed off, but direct your anger properly. Be livid at this administration for putting the company in this position. Don't be mad at the company. View Quote Wrong. Companies have the same responsibility to stand against tyranny as anyone else. Pretending they get a pass and don't need to have principles just because they sell people stuff is stupid and extremely dangerous. |
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Quoted: You guys are acting like this was a personal decision. Whoever owns Hornady went to their lawyers and said "Prez Potato said this, what do?" And this is what their lawyers told them to do. Hey you guys should be cheering this, their business their rules amirite? Go build bullets somewhere else if you don't want the jab? View Quote Are you a crazy person? Do what the lawyers say even if it's evil? Just because the business can choose to operate how they want, doesnt mean that we, as customers, can't get angry and kick them to the curb. Of course, your whole post could have been sarcasm. Sad that's it's hard to tell in this day and age. |
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Please listen to us and nobody else.
So now Hornady is the arbiter of all true information? That letter is creepy. |
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Quoted: The way I see it, these companies have two choices: 1) Give the middle finger to the feds and say no we're not doing that. Enough companies do this, and the federal government will either blink or starve. 2) Comply, then collapse when half their employees quit. Still starves the government, but now the company no longer exists and 100% of its staff becomes unemployed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Guys, this is happening EVERYWHERE. If a company relies on .gov contracts to survive, this is the situation they are in. It isn't the company's fault. I guarantee you that they don't want this. You have every right to be pissed off, but direct your anger properly. Be livid at this administration for putting the company in this position. Don't be mad at the company. The way I see it, these companies have two choices: 1) Give the middle finger to the feds and say no we're not doing that. Enough companies do this, and the federal government will either blink or starve. 2) Comply, then collapse when half their employees quit. Still starves the government, but now the company no longer exists and 100% of its staff becomes unemployed. I totally agree with the part in red. I have been hoping that companies would band together in some sort of large scale class action suit or protest. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be happening. |
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Quoted: You guys are acting like this was a personal decision. Whoever owns Hornady went to their lawyers and said "Prez Potato said this, what do?" And this is what their lawyers told them to do. Hey you guys should be cheering this, their business their rules amirite? Go build bullets somewhere else if you don't want the jab? You seem to be missing the part where it's not their rules, it's the federal government's rules. that said, I've lost some respect for Hornady, I always liked them best for reloading gear until now. |
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Quoted: Wrong. Companies have the same responsibility to stand against tyranny as anyone else. Pretending they get a pass and don't need to have principles just because they sell people stuff is stupid and extremely dangerous. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Guys, this is happening EVERYWHERE. If a company relies on .gov contracts to survive, this is the situation they are in. It isn't the company's fault. I guarantee you that they don't want this. You have every right to be pissed off, but direct your anger properly. Be livid at this administration for putting the company in this position. Don't be mad at the company. Wrong. Companies have the same responsibility to stand against tyranny as anyone else. Pretending they get a pass and don't need to have principles just because they sell people stuff is stupid and extremely dangerous. I admire your naivety. |
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Quoted: You guys are acting like this was a personal decision. Whoever owns Hornady went to their lawyers and said "Prez Potato said this, what do?" And this is what their lawyers told them to do. Hey you guys should be cheering this, their business their rules amirite? Go build bullets somewhere else if you don't want the jab? View Quote Individuals can only do so much to fight this. They can refuse the vaccine and lose their jobs. And there's a lot of them doing that. It is time for some business owners to stand up now. They can refuse the mandate and maybe lose their livelihoods. Which business owner will be the first to step up? Obviously it isn't going to be Hornady. |
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Quoted: Basically any company that has over 100 employees and government contracts are going to have to do this. View Quote Any company that has government contracts will bend the knee. I don't understand why it's such a big shocker. We've seen it time and time again. Unless a company makes the majority of their revenue from civilian sales, expect them to mandate it. |
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