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Posted: 10/20/2021 3:38:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those who actually know how to read data will reach the opposite conclusion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Once you throw out the crap studies and look at the preponderance of evidence, one can rapidly come to the conclusion that IVM is both safe and effective as both a prophylaxis and as a treatment.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 3:44:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  at all of you who think that just because it's peer reviewed that makes it unquestionably true.Because there's no chance that the peer-review process could possibly be corrupted, like everything else. It’s also not like the FDA has been corrupted by biotech. Not at all.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 4:06:39 PM EDT
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OP let me simplify a bit;
Everyone on this thread agrees Ivermectin is cheap and safe. If you believe that it's not effective, don't take it. Save yourself like $10 If you think it might be effective, spend the $10 and take it Done. Like most information and data around Covid it's distorted by politicization, agenda and $$$, and folks are being led along a certain narrative by ridicule and disinformation, with the rat being a post-by-post example of that social manipulation. Your doctor is not able to give you anything beyond the official narrative for fear of losing their license. Hospitals the same for slightly different reasons. If you post the question on facebook/twitter the post will get nixed. If folks on the national stage push it they get ridiculed, doxed and cancelled. That's why it is not a part of the conversation like Tylenol is for headaches. The real question is - why is there a global campaign to suppress the discussion ? |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 4:32:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm quite certain I can read data and interpret results much, much better than you and most others here with a few exceptions (like @exponentialpi). So, you're comments are specious at best, stupid at worst. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Once you throw out the crap studies and look at the preponderance of evidence, one can rapidly come to the conclusion that IVM is both safe and effective as both a prophylaxis and as a treatment. I'm quite certain I can read data and interpret results much, much better than you and most others here with a few exceptions (like @exponentialpi). So, you're comments are specious at best, stupid at worst. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 4:34:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet here you are, quoting fraudulent “studies” from a pseudo-science website. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Once you throw out the crap studies and look at the preponderance of evidence, one can rapidly come to the conclusion that IVM is both safe and effective as both a prophylaxis and as a treatment. I'm quite certain I can read data and interpret results much, much better than you and most others here with a few exceptions (like @exponentialpi). So, you're comments are specious at best, stupid at worst. And yet here you are having no basis whatsoever for your claims spouting pseudo-science as the usual pablum. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 4:38:46 PM EDT
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I’m not emotionally invested enough in Ivermectin to argue about it (despite it’s yeoman work in curing my horse worms, those are really uncomfortable), but damn Rodent has really lost rapport with GD over Covid issues.
From the Great Santini to the Great Manweenie. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 6:54:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not emotionally invested enough in Ivermectin to argue about it (despite it’s yeoman work in curing my horse worms, those are really uncomfortable), but damn Rodent has really lost rapport with GD over Covid issues. From the Great Santini to the Great Manweenie. This. Talk about emotionally invested in a position and continually resorting to ridicule instead of trying to make a reasoned point. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 7:00:20 PM EDT
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Only one side of the political/"medical"/"scientific" community is campaigning against a harmless drug to be administered.
You decide. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 8:15:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only one side of the political/"medical"/"scientific" community is campaigning against a harmless drug to be administered. You decide. One has to wonder why that is. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 8:36:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: at all of you who think that just because it's peer reviewed that makes it unquestionably true.Because there's no chance that the peer-review process could possibly be corrupted, like everything else. This. Been there, done that. You wash my back and I'll wash yours. That's has been the past state of peer review, and it's orders of magnitude worse since the pharma/government establishment has been threatened by cheap generics. There has been no remarkable pharmaceutical product created in 30 years - except for profit. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 8:43:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recall that Lancet "peer reviewed" study that they had to retract because it turned out the data was completely made up. Yup. At least they did retract it. Pay for play journals never do. Peer review is far from perfect, but still infinitely better than relying on things that are NOT peer reviewed. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 9:45:50 PM EDT
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It is safe, inexpensive, and better than the official govt health advice I was given: wtte “chicken soup and come to the ER if you are dying”
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Posted: 10/21/2021 11:05:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:03:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:14:26 PM EDT
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Who knew pharmacists would be such woke idiots like this? Who the fuck do these NPC pill jockeys think they are getting in the way of a doc and a patient over fucking ivermectin? Zero risk, award winning ivermectin....... Meanwhile these assholes fill opioid scripts all day long..... We're a society of tards top to bottom and these SJW pharmacists are the idiocracy doctor scene come to life. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:40:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who knew pharmacists would be such woke idiots like this? Who the fuck do these NPC pill jockeys think they are getting in the way of a doc and a patient over fucking ivermectin? Zero risk, award winning ivermectin....... Meanwhile these assholes fill opioid scripts all day long..... We're a society of tards top to bottom and these SJW pharmacists are the idiocracy doctor scene come to life. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
Who knew pharmacists would be such woke idiots like this? Who the fuck do these NPC pill jockeys think they are getting in the way of a doc and a patient over fucking ivermectin? Zero risk, award winning ivermectin....... Meanwhile these assholes fill opioid scripts all day long..... We're a society of tards top to bottom and these SJW pharmacists are the idiocracy doctor scene come to life. Yep. And anti-depressants. It really is unbelievable. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:52:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
There's something fishy about his numbers. His practice would need a greater than 50% positivity rate to see that many Covid positive patients in a year. ETA: His practice appears to be telemedicine and there's no way that he can confirm that the people seeking treatment are positive. There's also no way a teledoc is going to know the outcomes of everyone he has treated. His "data" is absolutely useless. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 12:40:19 PM EDT
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What about dosage?
Yeah I read the recommended XX/kg (lb) and it makes my head spin The syringe has what appear to be notches or clicks How many, in straight up plain speak, would a 165lb male take as a precaution? Thank you, I hope, for your indulgence |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 1:14:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's something fishy about his numbers. His practice would need a greater than 50% positivity rate to see that many Covid positive patients in a year. ETA: His practice appears to be telemedicine and there's no way that he can confirm that the people seeking treatment are positive. There's also no way a teledoc is going to know the outcomes of everyone he has treated. His "data" is absolutely useless. he's legit. He combines IVM and fluvoxamine together though. In interviews he admits that most patients never follow up with him because they rapidly improve on his treatment protocol, so there's no way for sure to know, but just by the shear amount of people that are over 50 that he's treated, his results should be really telling. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:55:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: he's legit. He combines IVM and fluvoxamine together... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's something fishy about his numbers. His practice would need a greater than 50% positivity rate to see that many Covid positive patients in a year. ETA: His practice appears to be telemedicine and there's no way that he can confirm that the people seeking treatment are positive. There's also no way a teledoc is going to know the outcomes of everyone he has treated. His "data" is absolutely useless. he's legit. He combines IVM and fluvoxamine together... |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:59:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about dosage? Yeah I read the recommended XX/kg (lb) and it makes my head spin The syringe has what appear to be notches or clicks How many, in straight up plain speak, would a 165lb male take as a precaution? Thank you, I hope, for your indulgence 4 notches. 3 notches would be appropriate for 150 lbs, but you won't hurt anything by overshooting a bit. Some of the protocols call for twice that. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:37:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those two sentences do not belong together. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8412866/ |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 4:03:27 PM EDT
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My first choice if available would be monocular antibodies. But if it not be available I have both HCQ and Ivermectin in the house along with the antibiotics. It makes me feel better just to have it.
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Posted: 10/22/2021 5:12:11 PM EDT
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This thread brought to you by Pfizer and expensive pharmaceuticals.
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Posted: 10/22/2021 5:37:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4 notches. 3 notches would be appropriate for 150 lbs, but you won't hurt anything by overshooting a bit. Some of the protocols call for twice that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What about dosage? Yeah I read the recommended XX/kg (lb) and it makes my head spin The syringe has what appear to be notches or clicks How many, in straight up plain speak, would a 165lb male take as a precaution? Thank you, I hope, for your indulgence 4 notches. 3 notches would be appropriate for 150 lbs, but you won't hurt anything by overshooting a bit. Some of the protocols call for twice that. Thank you ETA: I assume that's a daily dosage? |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 5:57:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Those two sentences do not belong together. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8412866/ He can't help himself, he's so invested in the lie that he has to continue to perpetuate it. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 6:06:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you ETA: I assume that's a daily dosage? Yes |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 7:28:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some early flawed studies raised false hopes. We have better information now. Unfortunately, ivermectin is ineffective against COVID-19. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809.amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/ivermectin-is-a-nobel-prize-winning-wonder-drug-but-not-for-covid-19-168449 Bullshit. My son, half my age came home from Utah and brought the commie cold with him. He gave it to me and we both had a rough go of it. I did the horse paste and he refused. I had a much easier time and was over it it a few days before he was released from the hospital. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 7:30:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit. My son, half my age came home from Utah and brought the commie cold with him. He gave it to me and we both had a rough go of it. I did the horse paste and he refused. I had a much easier time and was over it it a few days before he was released from the hospital. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 7:40:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those two sentences do not belong together. if you weren't so thick brained, you'd understand the synergetic effects that both drugs have. anti-viral, anti-inflammatory, cytokine regulation. fluvoxamine is a powerful sigma-1 agonist. at least come up with some better trolling, this is some low IQ stuff. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 7:56:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if you weren't so thick brained, you'd understand the synergetic effects that both drugs have. anti-viral, anti-inflammatory, cytokine regulation. fluvoxamine is a powerful sigma-1 agonist. at least come up with some better trolling, this is some low IQ stuff. You're not the only one that's noticed that the trolls have been really half-assing it a lot lately. Pick it up trolls! |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 9:23:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did the control versions of you and your son fare? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bullshit. My son, half my age came home from Utah and brought the commie cold with him. He gave it to me and we both had a rough go of it. I did the horse paste and he refused. I had a much easier time and was over it it a few days before he was released from the hospital. What a colossally ignorant think to say, and coming from you that says a lot. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 9:43:21 PM EDT
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I’d rather take it and find out later it didn’t do much at all for covid than to not take it, wind up deaded, and then find out the .gov and big tech lied their asses off and it really did help.
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Posted: 10/23/2021 12:07:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those two sentences do not belong together. Lol, go drive your bus. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 1:01:56 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: at all of you who think that just because it's peer reviewed that makes it unquestionably true.Because there's no chance that the peer-review process could possibly be corrupted, like everything else. I honestly can't believe anything that is 'readily available' in web searches. they've censored and buried anything that goes against the narrative. Hell Arfcom mods are burying everything, even threads NOT dealing with the wu-flu directly |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 1:06:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a colossally ignorant think to say, and coming from you that says a lot. I think what he's getting at is that when you are talking about a virus where half of people get an asymptomatic case, and 80% have only very mild symptoms, but ten percent get the shit kicked out of them and a half a percent die (less among the young, more among older folks): "I know someone who got it and is fine" doesn't convey any new information. MOST people will get mild cases, but we still have hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions more who suffered brain fogs, heart issues and lung damage. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 1:07:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did the control versions of you and your son fare? Why don't you go 'control group' yourself back to GD and enjoy all of the tranny, beans-no-beans threads. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 1:12:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think what he's getting at is that when you are talking about a virus where half of people get an asymptomatic case, and 80% have only very mild symptoms, but ten percent get the shit kicked out of them and a half a percent die (less among the young, more among older folks): "I know someone who got it and is fine" doesn't convey any new information. MOST people will get mild cases, but we still have hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions more who suffered brain fogs, heart issues and lung damage. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What a colossally ignorant think to say, and coming from you that says a lot. I think what he's getting at is that when you are talking about a virus where half of people get an asymptomatic case, and 80% have only very mild symptoms, but ten percent get the shit kicked out of them and a half a percent die (less among the young, more among older folks): "I know someone who got it and is fine" doesn't convey any new information. MOST people will get mild cases, but we still have hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions more who suffered brain fogs, heart issues and lung damage. I don't deny the possibility of any of that. And I don't cower in fear like so many others. You are missing the part where rodent is nothing but a troll and has been his entire time on ARFCOM. He lies, he has posted links that say the exact opposite of what he claims they say, he ignores data he does not like. He has made himself the arbitrator of what we are allowed to beleive. He is a troll and should be treated as such. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 1:15:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why don't you go 'control group' yourself back to GD and enjoy all of the tranny, beans-no-beans threads. We actually do need a study with thousands of people to find out if Ivermectin works. The research we do have shows that it's SAFE, but the data on efficacy is flawed and contradictory. I think such a study is running now, but until it publishes it's worth pointing out this is just going to go round in circles. You can cherry pick one set of studies and insist it works, but someone else can show your studies are full of holes and point to others showing it doesn't--and those are also full of holes. Until the big studies complete this is all just troll fodder. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 1:20:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We actually do need a study with thousands of people to find out if Ivermectin works. The research we do have shows that it's SAFE, but the data on efficacy is flawed and contradictory. I think such a study is running now, but until it publishes it's worth pointing out this is just going to go round in circles. You can cherry pick one set of studies and insist it works, but someone else can show your studies are full of holes and point to others showing it doesn't--and those are also full of holes. Until the big studies complete this is all just troll fodder. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why don't you go 'control group' yourself back to GD and enjoy all of the tranny, beans-no-beans threads. We actually do need a study with thousands of people to find out if Ivermectin works. The research we do have shows that it's SAFE, but the data on efficacy is flawed and contradictory. I think such a study is running now, but until it publishes it's worth pointing out this is just going to go round in circles. You can cherry pick one set of studies and insist it works, but someone else can show your studies are full of holes and point to others showing it doesn't--and those are also full of holes. Until the big studies complete this is all just troll fodder. Doesn't matter, if rodent does not approve of every aspect of the testing it is meaningless. Just ask him he will tell you. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 1:35:42 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't matter, if rodent does not approve of every aspect of the testing it is meaningless. Just ask him he will tell you. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 1:37:08 PM EDT
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I mentioned earlier that this summer I spent a couple days in a muddy corral and ate too much damp grass (its a weakness of mine). Man, a few days later my belly was killing me. Sure enough, horse worms. Just in there churning around doing worm stuff.
I tried the ivermectin. Golden ticket. I shit those worms right out. I couldn't get the horse paste, I had to use the human prescription kind. Worked great for me! |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 1:48:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2021 1:52:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s true. Every aspect of every test must be submitted to me for approval. It’s in the Bible, towards the back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Doesn't matter, if rodent does not approve of every aspect of the testing it is meaningless. Just ask him he will tell you. OK, that at least made me LOL. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 1:58:20 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s true. Every aspect of every test must be submitted to me for approval. It’s in the Bible, towards the back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Doesn't matter, if rodent does not approve of every aspect of the testing it is meaningless. Just ask him he will tell you. Ok, I will give it to you, that was kind of funny. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 5:47:36 PM EDT
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We took it (pills not paste) for Covid long symptoms for 18 months - body aches, headaches, fatigue, mental fog. After 3 days all symptoms were gone.
Can't say how it helps with preventing transmission. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 7:03:10 PM EDT
[#47]
It's very effective.
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:42:44 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What a colossally ignorant think to say, and coming from you that says a lot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bullshit. My son, half my age came home from Utah and brought the commie cold with him. He gave it to me and we both had a rough go of it. I did the horse paste and he refused. I had a much easier time and was over it it a few days before he was released from the hospital. What a colossally ignorant think to say, and coming from you that says a lot. Behaves as a paid shill. |
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Posted: 10/24/2021 10:52:04 AM EDT
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It won't hurt. Many studies have shown the healing powers of placebos. When the local doctors sent my Covid + , 88 year old parents, home with nothing but directions to call an ambulance when you could no longer breath, they failed as healers. Both are fine now, both got the shots which knocked my Dad on his ass for a week each time.
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Posted: 10/24/2021 10:53:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It won't hurt. Many studies have shown the healing powers of placebos.... The Placebo Effect is real. That's why it's called an effect. |
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