Originally Posted By Gunner226:

Unless I really take a turn for the worse, I'd put my personal experience in the "moderate cold" catagory, so far.  I realize some aren't so lucky, but forcing a vaccine for this is BS. Especially a vaccine that is showing less and less efficacy - if it ever had any efficacy to begin with.

This is certainly not the zombie apocalypse virus some of us thought it might turn out to be last January.

Originally Posted By Mach:
Why has Florida gone from 25,000 new cases per day to 2500 new cases per day in 2 months.

What changed?

Originally Posted By Mach:
Why has Florida gone from 25,000 new cases per day to 2500 new cases per day in 2 months.

What changed?

Originally Posted By Gunner226:


Which of my points would they disagree with?

That my case is mild?
That forcing the vaccine is bullshit?
Or that this is not a zombi-apocolypse virus?

Originally Posted By Mach:
Why has Florida gone from 25,000 new cases per day to 2500 new cases per day in 2 months.

What changed?

Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas:


Millions die every year. Hell, 7000 people are going to die today, not related to covid. 20-40% are likely preventable according to the CDC. Sadly, I guess they're not worth your attention or effort to prevent.

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Can someone link me the latest treatment protocol fact sheet? I looked back six pages already and didn’t see it and it’s not in the OP either. I have one printed out but I can’t find the file and I need to print another.

K thx.

Originally Posted By JPN:


@captainpooby

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Can someone link me the latest treatment protocol fact sheet? I looked back six pages already and didn’t see it and it’s not in the OP either. I have one printed out but I can’t find the file and I need to print another.

K thx.

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

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Vaccines currently are the primary mitigation strategy to combat COVID-19 around the world. For instance, the narrative related to the ongoing surge of new cases in the United States (US) is argued to be driven by areas with low vaccination rates [1]. A similar narrative also has been observed in countries, such as Germany and the United Kingdom [2]. At the same time, Israel that was hailed for its swift and high rates of vaccination has also seen a substantial resurgence in COVID-19 cases [3]. We investigate the relationship between the percentage of population  fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases across 68 countries and across 2947 counties in the US.
Methods

We used COVID-19 data provided by the Our World in Data for cross-country analysis, available as of September 3, 2021 (Supplementary Table 1) [4]. We included 68 countries that met the following criteria: had second dose vaccine data available; had COVID-19 case data available; had population data available; and the last update of data was within 3 days prior to or on September 3, 2021. For the 7 days preceding September 3, 2021 we computed the COVID-19 cases per 1 million people for each country as well as the percentage of population that is fully vaccinated.

For the county-level analysis in the US, we utilized the White House COVID-19 Team data [5], available as of September 2, 2021 (Supplementary Table 2). We excluded counties that did not report fully vaccinated population percentage data yielding 2947 counties for the analysis. We computed the number and percentages of counties that experienced an increase in COVID-19 cases by levels of the percentage of people fully vaccinated in each county. The percentage increase in COVID-19 cases was calculated based on the difference in cases from the last 7 days and the 7 days preceding them. For example, Los Angeles county in California had 18,171 cases in the last 7 days (August 26 to September 1) and 31,616 cases in the previous 7 days (August 19–25), so this county did not experience an increase of cases in our dataset. We provide a dashboard of the metrics used in this analysis that is updated automatically as new data is made available by the White House COVID-19 Team (https://tiny.cc/USDashboard).
Findings

At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.
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Relationship between cases per 1 million people (last 7 days) and percentage of population fully vaccinated across 68 countries as of September 3, 2021 (See Table S1 for the underlying data)
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Across the US counties too, the median new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people in the last 7 days is largely similar across the categories of percent population fully vaccinated (Fig. 2). Notably there is also substantial county variation in new COVID-19 cases within categories of percentage population fully vaccinated. There also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated (Fig. 3).
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Median, interquartile range and variation in cases per 100,000 people in the last 7 days across percentage of population fully vaccinated as of September 2, 2021
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Percentage of counties that experienced an increase of cases between two consecutive 7-day time periods by percentage of population fully vaccinated across 2947 counties as of September 2, 2021
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Of the top 5 counties that have the highest percentage of population fully vaccinated (99.9–84.3%), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies 4 of them as “High” Transmission counties. Chattahoochee (Georgia), McKinley (New Mexico), and Arecibo (Puerto Rico) counties have above 90% of their population fully vaccinated with all three being classified as “High” transmission. Conversely, of the 57 counties that have been classified as “low” transmission counties by the CDC, 26.3% (15) have percentage of population fully vaccinated below 20%.

Since full immunity from the vaccine is believed to take about 2 weeks after the second dose, we conducted sensitivity analyses by using a 1-month lag on the percentage population fully vaccinated for countries and US counties. The above findings of no discernable association between COVID-19 cases and levels of fully vaccinated was also observed when we considered a 1-month lag on the levels of fully vaccinated (Supplementary Figure 1, Supplementary Figure 2).

We should note that the COVID-19 case data is of confirmed cases, which is a function of both supply (e.g., variation in testing capacities or reporting practices) and demand-side (e.g., variation in people’s decision on when to get tested) factors.
Interpretation

The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined, especially considering the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant and the likelihood of future variants. Other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination rates. Such course correction, especially with regards to the policy narrative, becomes paramount with emerging scientific evidence on real world effectiveness of the vaccines.

For instance, in a report released from the Ministry of Health in Israel, the effectiveness of 2 doses of the BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) vaccine against preventing COVID-19 infection was reported to be 39% [6], substantially lower than the trial efficacy of 96% [7]. It is also emerging that immunity derived from the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine may not be as strong as immunity acquired through recovery from the COVID-19 virus . A substantial decline in immunity from mRNA vaccines 6-months post immunization has also been reported [9]. Even though vaccinations offers protection to individuals against severe hospitalization and death, the CDC reported an increase from 0.01 to 9% and 0 to 15.1% (between January to May 2021) in the rates of hospitalizations and deaths, respectively, amongst the fully vaccinated [10].

In summary, even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect. Stigmatizing populations can do more harm than good. Importantly, other non-pharmacological prevention efforts (e.g., the importance of basic public health hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance or handwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper forms of testing) needs to be renewed in order to strike the balance of learning to live with COVID-19 in the same manner we continue to live a 100 years later with various seasonal alterations of the 1918 Influenza virus.
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Originally Posted By 79CJ7:


Millions more died last year and so far this year.  Look up the excess mortality stats.  The facts do not support your opinion.

Originally Posted By Obelix45:


Below is the data I could find for total deaths from all causes for 2015 through 2020.  This is just summary data from the CDC website.  I didn't pull raw data to compute these totals myself.

2020 (provisional):  3,358,814 deaths
2019:  2,854,838 deaths
2018:  2,839,205 deaths
2017:  2,813,503 deaths
2016:  2,744,248 deaths
2015:  2,712,630 deaths

A very rough estimate, accounting for 1-2% annual growth in deaths from all causes, is that there were around 500,000 more deaths in 2020 than would normally be expected, a 17% increase.  

And here is a chart of total weekly deaths from all causes, by age group.  The gray lines are for 2015 through 2019.  The red and orange lines are for 2020 and 2021, respectively.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

https://i.imgur.com/piGfPf5.png


There has been essentially no change in deaths from all causes for people under 25 years old.  The 25-44 year age group has had a very slight increase.  Older age groups obviously have higher than typical death rates.

I think there is a lot of disagreement on the severity of COVID because it's worse than the flu but not nearly bad enough that everyone knows multiple people who have died from it.   One could call it a "really bad flu" and, although that would be technically inaccurate both biologically and statistically, it would be consistent with many people's everyday lived experience with it over the past year and a half.  At the same time, other people have had catastrophic experiences with it, losing multiple family members within short periods of time.  

All in all, the situation is perfect for creating massive social divisions.  If you were going to create a pandemic to achieve nefarious geopolitical goals without wiping out global wealth and the means of production, you wouldn't want it to be any more or less deadly.  It's almost too perfect.  I'm not saying that's what's happening.  I'm just saying.

Originally Posted By 79CJ7:


I'm glad your case was mild, but 740K dead Americans in a year and a half is pretty damn strong counterpoint to all this "it's just the sniffles" bullshit.

Originally Posted By 79CJ7:


Millions more died last year and so far this year.  Look up the excess mortality stats.  The facts do not support your opinion.