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Posted: 5/9/2020 12:12:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kekoa: That letter is dated 2019.  True, but COVID wasnt 2019.....I think it was a misstype, lol New article on it |
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Posted: 5/9/2020 9:40:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFII: Miami Air is gone. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49873098027_91937c1691_z.jpgB24ECC14-CB61-43E9-B484-1EC1D71071A5 by Austin Scott, on Flickr Another 36th street operator bites the dust. |
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Posted: 5/9/2020 7:02:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xciapup: Not bitter at all. Very content being in a merit-based system and very happy to talk to any pilot who is thinking about getting into a life that is happy, healthy and offers an alternative to a seniority based system in an industry that goes bankrupt every 10 years. The fact is you dont have a reliable retirement plan if you have an airline pension. Now is the perfect time to chart another course. And if you are honest, you know dang well the guy I described is pretty common. I am listening. What do you do for a living? |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 9:43:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2020 12:15:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFII: Avianca is bankrupt. Avianca has been sailing in brown water before COVID with multiple labor actions, and a national government that was looking for options to scale it to sustainability. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:20:45 PM EDT
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Has any major US airline announced for a fact that it'll be furloughing yet?
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:22:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vne: Has any major US airline announced for a fact that it'll be furloughing yet? I think United has stated the closest to that fact. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vne: Has any major US airline announced for a fact that it'll be furloughing yet? Alaska has a reduction bid of 240 pilots, 120 A320 captains and 120 A320 FOs. Parking 19 A319/320s indefinitely. No official furlough announcement, but it’s easy to read between the lines. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:52:46 PM EDT
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The strategies are interesting. United seems pretty public with their “plans.” As that displacement bid isn’t a real displacement bid yet with no training plan. It’s like a kinda maybe bid.
Delta, American, SWA, etc are all pretty quiet and I believe intentionally out of the news. Who’s strategy is better and why is United making so many waves? |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 12:00:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By disorientedpilot: The strategies are interesting. United seems pretty public with their “plans.” As that displacement bid isn’t a real displacement bid yet with no training plan. It’s like a kinda maybe bid. Delta, American, SWA, etc are all pretty quiet and I believe intentionally out of the news. Who’s strategy is better and why is United making so many waves? Im a little biased as I work for United, but I believe they’re trying to tell it like it is and not sugarcoat anything. I for one am appreciative of it. It’s ugly out there, and will be for quite a while. Just hoping I can make the cut... |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 12:06:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By turningfinal: Im a little biased as I work for United, but I believe they’re trying to tell it like it is and not sugarcoat anything. I for one am appreciative of it. It’s ugly out there, and will be for quite a while. Just hoping I can make the cut... Cheers to that! |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 12:22:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFII: True, but COVID wasnt 2019.....I think it was a misstype, lol New article on it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFII: Originally Posted By Kekoa: That letter is dated 2019. True, but COVID wasnt 2019.....I think it was a misstype, lol New article on it He probably started drafting the letter in ‘19.  Funny..but a decidedly unfunny situation.
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Posted: 5/12/2020 9:28:38 AM EDT
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No one expects international flying to return in quantity for 12-16 months.
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Posted: 5/12/2020 11:35:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFII: I think United has stated the closest to that fact. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFII: Originally Posted By Vne: Has any major US airline announced for a fact that it'll be furloughing yet? I think United has stated the closest to that fact. Interesting. For some reason I was thinking SWA was about to do it. |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 2:47:45 PM EDT
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I took June off too. It’s fun staying at home, growing a beard, working on my property, and getting credit hours to do it.
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Posted: 5/12/2020 3:06:05 PM EDT
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The regional I’m at parked about 90 aircraft. 175’s, 145’s, and 140’s. All 175’s and 145’s will be back in service by June 3rd.
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Posted: 5/12/2020 5:51:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1BMF: The regional I’m at parked about 90 aircraft. 175’s, 145’s, and 140’s. All 175’s and 145’s will be back in service by June 3rd. I just read that. Im hoping that means Piedmont will have some more flying soon... |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 7:28:00 PM EDT
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SWA rescinded all job offers; everyone was originally told they would be honored whenever classes run in the future. I know it's awful in the airline world, and I wish everyone of you and your airlines the best! Thankful to still have a good job.
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Posted: 5/12/2020 7:30:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KingAirDriver: SWA rescinded all job offers; everyone was originally told they would be honored whenever classes run in the future. I know it's awful in the airline world, and I wish everyone of you and your airlines the best! Thankful to still have a good job. Thats kinda trashy. |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 7:48:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFII: Thats kinda trashy. Agreed. |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 8:20:25 PM EDT
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I know guys who won’t be off probation at the big 3 on 1 Oct.
They tell me there really isn’t any guarantee the company has to bring them back. |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 8:46:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By disorientedpilot: I know guys who won’t be off probation at the big 3 on 1 Oct. They tell me there really isn’t any guarantee the company has to bring them back. That’s the big reason that I’m limiting my VLOA to 90 days, and I plan to be back in late July. Anyone that’s out on VLOA on 1 Oct is taking a massive gamble. As soon as you go on VLOA, you show as an inactive employee. Per our RIF rules, inactive employees are first on the pink slip line, regardless of one’s seniority. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:26:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFII: I took June off too. It’s fun staying at home, growing a beard, working on my property, and getting credit hours to do it. I just hope we all have jobs at the end of it. And then how rusty are we going to be going back? This will officially be the longest I’ve ever gone without flying in the last 19 years. I took off May and June and now I’m regretting taking a voluntary two months as opposed to just the one. However, the task of commuting to and from Newark was becoming intolerable and my airline wasn’t exactly understanding about it. Pros and cons I guess.... |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 9:12:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By switchtanks: I just hope we all have jobs at the end of it. And then how rusty are we going to be going back? This will officially be the longest I’ve ever gone without flying in the last 19 years. I took off May and June and now I’m regretting taking a voluntary two months as opposed to just the one. However, the task of commuting to and from Newark was becoming intolerable and my airline wasn’t exactly understanding about it. Pros and cons I guess.... I'm on mil leave right now, but my company has been reasonable regarding commuting clauses and the like. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 9:14:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By switchtanks: I just hope we all have jobs at the end of it. And then how rusty are we going to be going back? This will officially be the longest I’ve ever gone without flying in the last 19 years. I took off May and June and now I’m regretting taking a voluntary two months as opposed to just the one. However, the task of commuting to and from Newark was becoming intolerable and my airline wasn’t exactly understanding about it. Pros and cons I guess.... True. Im going to suck when I get back. My commuting possibilities have dried up, but I think they are going to get a bit better soon. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 9:33:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2020 11:45:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KingAirDriver: SWA rescinded all job offers; everyone was originally told they would be honored whenever classes run in the future. I know it's awful in the airline world, and I wish everyone of you and your airlines the best! Thankful to still have a good job. That sucks. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 12:36:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KingAirDriver: SWA rescinded all job offers; everyone was originally told they would be honored whenever classes run in the future. I know it's awful in the airline world, and I wish everyone of you and your airlines the best! Thankful to still have a good job. That sucks but I’m glad you still have a job. The timing was fortuitous when you think of it. I honestly think SWA will honor their offer when the time comes, perhaps unofficially. Keep all documentation and contacts. It could be a long, long time, however. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 12:44:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Screechjet1: An interesting Indicator, and you guys know how pessimistic I am... I’ve seen a slight increase in loads. Granted, it’s not much, but it’s something. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 1:16:25 PM EDT
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Data and numbers. Updated regularly.
https://www.airlines.org/dataset/impact-of-covid19-data-updates/# |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 7:18:23 PM EDT
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Thanks, guys. SWA is definitely where I want to be, and I'm hoping there will be a way forward in the future, whenever it might be!
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Posted: 5/13/2020 7:36:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kfs35: That sucks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kfs35: Originally Posted By KingAirDriver: SWA rescinded all job offers; everyone was originally told they would be honored whenever classes run in the future. I know it's awful in the airline world, and I wish everyone of you and your airlines the best! Thankful to still have a good job. That sucks. indeed. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:23:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: I’ve seen a slight increase in loads. Granted, it’s not much, but it’s something. We're still reporting the core airports down 70 percent |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:28:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KingAirDriver: Thanks, guys. SWA is definitely where I want to be, and I'm hoping there will be a way forward in the future, whenever it might be! As a consumer I'm a fan of SWA Professionally I'm indifferent but they are easy to work with. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:43:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KingAirDriver: SWA rescinded all job offers; everyone was originally told they would be honored whenever classes run in the future. I know it's awful in the airline world, and I wish everyone of you and your airlines the best! Thankful to still have a good job. Shoot me a PM, there's a backstory as to why this happened. |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 12:36:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2020 12:47:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFII: Ooof. The hits keep on coming: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49894203708_0e56a4c9f6_c.jpg8C850D36-74A6-43E0-9F4E-6CE5A91EF2F4 by Austin Scott, on Flickr Yeah, I just spent an hour updating my displacement bid. We'll see what happens next. This is shaping up to be the biggest furlough in the history of aviation. Far, far bigger than after 9/11. |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 4:52:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vne: Yeah, I just spent an hour updating my displacement bid. We'll see what happens next. This is shaping up to be the biggest furlough in the history of aviation. Far, far bigger than after 9/11. This is going to be brutal. We landed in SFO last week and were the only plane on tower(combined ground) frequency, the next arrival was 25 minutes later. I'm not sure any pilot at any carrier can be so cavalier as to think they wont be affected. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 10:20:29 AM EDT
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Does AA still have a flowback provision in their contract? I know they've flowed from Envoy and I presume the other wholly owned, but don't know if this provision is till there to go back.
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Posted: 5/15/2020 10:27:44 AM EDT
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From a video interview today, Boeing CEO is predicting 25% return in Oct and 50% by end of year, two plus years to 2019 levels.
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Posted: 5/15/2020 10:55:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By disorientedpilot: From a video interview today, Boeing CEO is predicting 25% return in Oct and 50% by end of year, two plus years to 2019 levels. Time will tell how these predictions turn out. I can make my own as well but at the end of the day - it and what happens will likely be off. All I know Is this is a giant shit sandwich and we all have to take a bite. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 12:20:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank_The_Tank: Time will tell how these predictions turn out. I can make my own as well but at the end of the day - it and what happens will likely be off. All I know Is this is a giant shit sandwich and we all have to take a bite. True, we don’t have much certainty other than it’s bad. Yet I’m not going to sit around and wait for the sandwich to arrive. I have a very morbid fascination with times like this. You get to see what people are fucking made of. I have seen it before. In addition, politics, the SEC, and idiots on TV say a lot of things. The numbers AAL, DAL, UAL, etc post for furlough, recovery, etc. are actual numbers. I find them useful to weight and put into a wild ass statistical analysis. It’s fun to see how right everyones predictions were and what can be learned from them for future decisions. I did the same on my past two furloughs in another industry. In my company there are some really optimistic folks, where it will be 80% at end of year. Yet they have no data. Others are gloom and doom, waiting for the axe. Boeing I’m sure has at least one guy who is a stats and data guy that compiles info. Just like I look at a weather chart and gauge to get add gas, they have guys who do that for the airline biz. How truthful their CEO was or if the interview was scripted, who knows? Interesting to me and others. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 2:02:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By disorientedpilot: True, we don’t have much certainty other than it’s bad. Yet I’m not going to sit around and wait for the sandwich to arrive. I have a very morbid fascination with times like this. You get to see what people are fucking made of. I have seen it before. In addition, politics, the SEC, and idiots on TV say a lot of things. The numbers AAL, DAL, UAL, etc post for furlough, recovery, etc. are actual numbers. I find them useful to weight and put into a wild ass statistical analysis. It’s fun to see how right everyones predictions were and what can be learned from them for future decisions. I did the same on my past two furloughs in another industry. In my company there are some really optimistic folks, where it will be 80% at end of year. Yet they have no data. Others are gloom and doom, waiting for the axe. Boeing I’m sure has at least one guy who is a stats and data guy that compiles info. Just like I look at a weather chart and gauge to get add gas, they have guys who do that for the airline biz. How truthful their CEO was or if the interview was scripted, who knows? Interesting to me and others. I told my wife that we need to take a wait and see approach. I think the last time I looked, I was approximately 1/2 up the company seniority list, and in the top 33% seniority in my department. Supposedly there is going to be an early retirement and a voluntary separation package coming out on 20 May. I don’t foresee getting the axe, but it’s very likely that before the end of the year, I’ll be back on midnight shift. Should that happen, I’ll bite the bullet and apply for the next LAMT position in my department, and hang out till the recovery is done. |
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Posted: 5/16/2020 1:16:47 AM EDT
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ExpressJet 380 Capt downgrades 1 July. Out of 1400 total guys? Dunno.
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Posted: 5/16/2020 8:40:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By disorientedpilot: ExpressJet 380 Capt downgrades 1 July. Out of 1400 total guys? Dunno. Man, I really dont want to be a regional FO again... |
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Posted: 5/16/2020 10:02:42 AM EDT
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Air Whiskey just put out a bid for
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Posted: 5/16/2020 10:09:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFII: Air Whiskey just put out a bid for 125 Captain downgrades. APC says ~550 total guys |
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Posted: 5/16/2020 10:13:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2020 10:16:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2020 12:11:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFII: Man, I really dont want to be a regional FO again... In these times, better to be a working FO than unemployed CA. |
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