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Posted: 3/10/2006 1:48:23 PM EDT
Nice to see a group that professes to have morals to actually stand up for them (in general, not this group specifically -- I don't know two beans about them specifically, and won't pretend that I do)

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,187485,00.html


Boston Catholic Charities Stop Adoptions Because of Gay Parent Law
Friday, March 10, 2006

BOSTON — The Boston Archdiocese's Catholic Charities said Friday it would stop providing adoption services because of a state law allowing gays and lesbians to adopt children.

The social services arm of the Roman Catholic archdiocese, which has provided adoption services for the state for about two decades, said the law runs counter to church teachings on homosexuality.

"The world was very different when Charities began this ministry at the threshold of the twentieth-century," the Rev. J. Bryan Hehir, president of Catholic Charities, said in a joint statement with trustees chairman Jeffrey Kaneb. "The world changed often and we adapted the ministry to meet changing times and needs. At all times we sought to place the welfare of children at the heart of our work.

"But now, we have encountered a dilemma we cannot resolve," they said.

Gov. Mitt Romney said he planned to file a bill that would allow religious organizations to seek an exemption from the state's anti-discrimination laws to provide adoption services.

"This is a sad day for neglected and abandoned children," Romney said in a statement. "It's a mistake for our laws to put the rights of adults over the needs of children.

The state's four Catholic bishops said earlier this month that the law threatens the church's religious freedom by forcing it to do something it considers immoral.

Eight members of Catholic Charities board later stepped down in protest of the bishops' stance. The 42-member board had voted unanimously in December to continue considering gay households for adoptions.

Catholic Charities has been involved in adoptions for about a century, but has had a contract with the state for the past two decades. Its contract with the state expires June 30.

In that time, Catholic Charities has placed 720 children in adoptive homes, including 13 who were placed with same-sex couples, Catholic Charities said.

In a 2003 document, the Vatican said gay adoption was "gravely immoral," and that children placed in such homes "would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood."

Some 682 foster children are waiting for adoption in Massachusetts, according to the state Department of Social Services. The bulk of adoptive children are placed by DSS, rather than outside agencies such as Catholic Charities, the agency said.

Link Posted: 3/10/2006 2:43:40 PM EDT
I think as long as the charities don't take government money to support their organization, they should be able to do as they please.

I applaud them for making this decision, it shows a true commitment to their principles. Anyone know who to send a letter to to show support for an exemption for religious based organizations?

Link Posted: 3/11/2006 9:12:05 PM EDT
Yeah, well the group didn't actually stand up for Catholic moral principles. The group has been just this side of dissenting for years, trying to push the edge of what is acceptable morally without directly flouting Church teaching and laws. The bishops in MA said it was wrong, and some of the leaders of Catholic Charities didn't like it but had two options: abide by it, or say good bye. They are no longer working there.

I am glad the bishops stood their ground, and perhaps now Catholic Charities can get back to helping the poor and downtrodden according to Catholic social teaching.

Dino, the person to send a letter to would be the governor and the congress critters.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 7:22:40 PM EDT
It's a shame they are so petty as to turn their backs on children because of bigotry. However I'm not surprised.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 6:19:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/13/2006 7:39:53 AM EDT by Dino]

Originally Posted By dolanp:
It's a shame they are so petty as to turn their backs on children because of bigotry. However I'm not surprised.



I'd say its the other way around.

Why does the government need to get involved in the adoption process? There are plenty of agencies that cater to homosexuals, why can't an agency cater to Catholics?


I was just informed that the charity takes government money to do their good works. You suck at the government tit, you follow the government's rules.

Looks like I don't need to mail out any letters after all.

Link Posted: 3/13/2006 3:54:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dino:
I was just informed that the charity takes government money to do their good works. You suck at the government tit, you follow the government's rules.

Looks like I don't need to mail out any letters after all.




They don't take gov't money for adoptions, however (if I've heard correctly).
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 8:14:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 6:51:23 AM EDT by Dino]

Originally Posted By loonybin:

Originally Posted By Dino:
I was just informed that the charity takes government money to do their good works. You suck at the government tit, you follow the government's rules.

Looks like I don't need to mail out any letters after all.




They don't take gov't money for adoptions, however (if I've heard correctly).



then they should form a seperate legal entity, wholy owned by the church and supported by private donations, that handles adoptions.

I'll say it again. If you take government money, you follow the governments rules, all of them. Period. End of story.

p.s. from the info I was given they do accept money from the government for adoptions /shrug. I don't care what they accept the money for, I only care that they accept government money.



eta:

www.ccab.org/whats_new.htm#adoption_release

About Catholic Charities, Archdiocese of Boston’s Adoption Program

* Over the past two decades Catholic Charities has placed 720 children in permanent homes through adoption. Of those 720, 13 children were placed with same-sex families.
* Last year, Catholic Charities found 41 homes for children through adoption, provided pre- and post-adoption training and support services to 883 families and conducted 730 information searches for adoptees.
* Catholic Charities adoption services include pre-adoptive training, birth parent counseling, home studies, infant adoption, special needs adoption, legalization, and post placement.
* In fiscal year 2005, Catholic Charities received approximately $1 million in reimbursements for its adoption-related work from the Department of Social Services. Catholic Charities overall revenue in 2005 was $37 million.

a) I don't think the government should be reimbursing anyone for an adoption
b) if it is going to happen, then only those who follow the rules should get the reimbursement

sounds like the cancelled a good program that was already handing children to same sex couples (albeit rarely)

Link Posted: 3/16/2006 2:02:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dolanp:
It's a shame they are so petty as to turn their backs on children because of bigotry. However I'm not surprised.



Not putting children in the homes of sodomites is no more bigotry than not putting them in the home of pedophiles, or drunks, or broken homes, etc.

Report: Pedophilia more common among 'gays'
Research purports to reveal 'dark side' of homosexual culture
By Jon Dougherty
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com


Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.

"Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture," wrote Steve Baldwin in, "Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement," soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review.

Baldwin is the executive director of the Council for National Policy in Washington, D.C.

"It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh," wrote Baldwin. "However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization – the nuclear family."

Though the homosexual community and much of the media scoff at such accusations, Baldwin – who chaired the California Assembly's Education committee, where he fought against support for the homosexual agenda in the state's public schools – says in his report that homosexual activists' "efforts to target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement" constitute an "unmistakable" attack on "the family unit."

Baldwin's research is substantiated in a recently completed body of work written by Dr. Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education and author of numerous authoritative books debunking sexual myths, including "Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences."

In her thesis – also written for the Regent University Law Review – Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. …"

Abel also found that non-incarcerated "child molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender … whose targets were males."

"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering," said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. "Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."

Jay Heavener, spokesman for PFLAG – Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, counters that federal crime data refute claims that homosexuals molest children at higher rates than heterosexuals.

"According to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), this claim is false," he told WND by e-mail. "The gay and lesbian community calls into question any dubious research which flies in the face of our own experience."

And Gary Schoener, a clinical psychologist who has been diagnosing and treating clergy abuse for 28 years, told Salon.com, "There are far more heterosexual cases than homosexual."

In terms of sheer numbers, that may be true. But in terms of numbers of children abused per offender, homosexuals abuse with far greater frequency; and boys, research shows, are the much-preferred target.

Baldwin says evidence he examined disproves the assertion that child molestation is more prevalent among heterosexuals. Both he and Reisman found that media coverage of adult homosexual abuse of minors is also slanted.

"The National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association (NLGJA) recently boasted that although homosexuals are less than two percent of the population, three-fourths of the people who decide the content of the front page of the New York Times are homosexual," Reisman wrote.

That one fact is especially noteworthy, experts point out, given the recent child sex scandals taking place within the American Catholic church.

A survey by WorldNetDaily of recent news reports found that rarely did the media describe priestly sexual abuse as "homosexual" or "gay" activity – even though the worst incidents involved male-to-male contact, and a spate of investigative reports has revealed that the Vatican is concerned about an upsurge of homosexuals in seminary schools throughout the world.

Gay press promotes sex with children

Baldwin says his research not only "confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals," but it found that "the mainstream homosexual culture" even "commonly promotes sex with children."

"The editorial board of the leading pedophile academic journal, Paidika, is dominated by prominent homosexual scholars such as San Francisco State University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit the Journal of Homosexuality," Baldwin wrote.

During his research, he also found:

The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."
In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …" The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality … we must do it for the children's sake."
Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."
In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll … available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.
Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.
Homosexuality 'youth-oriented'?

"Research on the homosexual lifestyle confirms it is almost exclusively a youth-oriented culture," Baldwin wrote. "Very few gays exhibit preference for older men."

"Some admit to focus on teenage boys," he said, "some on prepubescent boys, and many cross over between categories."

A 1988 study detailed in Baldwin's report found that most pedophiles even consider themselves to be "gay." According to the study, "Archives of Sexual Behavior," some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years.

When asked what he thought about critics who attempt to debunk his research, Baldwin said the results speak for themselves.

"For them to say this theory is false is to call many of the homosexual movement's leaders liars," he said. "Most of my evidence comes right from the gay community."

"I managed to find enough evidence that my thesis – child molestation is an integral part of the homosexual movement – is a valid thesis," Baldwin told WorldNetDaily.

Other experts have also found a distinct pattern between child sex abusers and the incidence of homosexuality.

"How long can psychologists be in denial about the significance of the dark side, and ignore what it implies about the homosexual condition? And there's a matter of even greater concern. How long will psychologists eagerly throw open the door to gay life for every sexually confused teenager?" writes Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D, on behalf of NARTH – the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality – a group that says it exists to "provide psychological understanding of the cause, treatment and behavior patterns associated with homosexuality, within the boundaries of a civil public dialogue."

The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is "a group that openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to the needs of the boys they love," Baldwin said in his report.

The group is often endorsed by "many of the homosexual movement's most prominent leaders," he said.

Advocacy moving to schools

Promotion of the "gay and lesbian lifestyle" is increasing in the nation's public schools.

A WND survey of homosexual-oriented websites found that almost every group has some sort of program to "educate" teachers, school administrators and other school employees about the homosexual lifestyle:

GLSEN – the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network – bills itself as "the largest national network of parents, students, educators and others" specifically formed to end "discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity/expression in K-12 schools. Two recent press released boasted of the Broward County (Fla.) school board approving GLSEN-sponsored "training for teachers."
A student activist working with GLSEN officials has managed to "give voice" recently to "gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered students" at California schools;
PFLAG has created a national campaign called, "From Our House to the Schoolhouse," distributing to school officials – among other materials – a booklet entitled, "Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation and Youth: A Primer For Principals, Educators, & School Personnel. [Editor's note: Readers need the Adobe PDF reader to open and read this file.]
Though most school-related programs are sold to administrators and parents as programs designed simply to end persecution of homosexuals and lesbians, none disclose what Baldwin says is compelling evidence that homosexuality is harmful to children.

"What … does the academic literature say about the relationship between homosexuality and child molestation? Quite a bit, actually," he wrote, quoting data compiled by the Family Research Institute: "Scientific studies confirm a strong pedophilic predisposition among homosexuals."

The institute, after reviewing more than 19 studies and peer-reviewed reports in a 1985 "Psychological Reports" article, found that homosexuals account for between 25 and 40 percent of all child molestation.

"But this number is low," Baldwin says, "due to the fact that many reporters will not report if a child molester is a homosexual, even if he knows that to be the case."
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 2:36:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 7:10:53 AM EDT
is it time for the clergy molestation links ?

Like it or not, this organization placed children in same sex homes before this whole mess came up. This was not a moral stand,

They also took government money for the adoptions. This means they need to follow government regulations.

If the choice is stop helping children or work to change the regulation, I know which I would consider to be the better option for the children.

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 11:05:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dino:
is it time for the clergy molestation links ?




"Despite the growing media consensus that Catholicism causes sodomy, an alternative view -- adopted by the Boy Scouts -- is that sodomites cause sodomy. (Assume all the usual disclaimers here about most gay men not molesting boys, most Muslims being peaceful, and so on.)

It is a fact that the vast majority of the abuser priests -- more than 90 percent -- are accused of molesting teen-age boys. Indeed, the overwhelmingly homosexual nature of the abuse prompted The New York Times to engage in its classic "Where's Waldo" reporting style, in which the sex of the victims is studiedly hidden amid a torrent of genderless words, such as the "teen-ager," the "former student," the "victim" and the "accuser."

www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter032102.asp
Almost all the abuse was done by homosexuals. A fact that not even you can deny.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 11:25:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dino:
is it time for the clergy molestation links ?



What's the difference?



They also took government money for the adoptions. This means they need to follow government regulations.





Originally Posted By Dino:
* In fiscal year 2005, Catholic Charities received approximately $1 million in reimbursements for its adoption-related work from the Department of Social Services.



ENGLISH!!!! DO YOU SPEAK IT?!?!?!?

Hmmm. I got a tax refund last year too. I guess that means I take ‘gubment money and will no longer be permitted to practice my religion.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:05:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 3DVR_M4:



They also took government money for the adoptions. This means they need to follow government regulations.





Originally Posted By Dino:
* In fiscal year 2005, Catholic Charities received approximately $1 million in reimbursements for its adoption-related work from the Department of Social Services.



ENGLISH!!!! DO YOU SPEAK IT?!?!?!?

Hmmm. I got a tax refund last year too. I guess that means I take ‘gubment money and will no longer be permitted to practice my religion.



Do you speak it.

A tax refund is where you are getting back on overpayment to the government because you were idiotic enough to give them the loan of your money interest free for one year.

The "reimbursement" is a compensation for services by our government.

They could all it an entitlement, a reparation, or whatever else they want to call it. Its still a payment from our government for their adoption service.

All foster parents recieve similar "reimbursements" which are payments from the government. Foster parents have to meet government requirements, why shouldn't the adoption agency which recieves payments in the same way.

You're tone is a bit hostile, maybe you should have a coke and a smile before posting. Or better yet a green beer!

Happy St. Patty's Day!





Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:10:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Belloc:

Originally Posted By Dino:
is it time for the clergy molestation links ?




"Despite the growing media consensus that Catholicism causes sodomy, an alternative view -- adopted by the Boy Scouts -- is that sodomites cause sodomy. (Assume all the usual disclaimers here about most gay men not molesting boys, most Muslims being peaceful, and so on.)

It is a fact that the vast majority of the abuser priests -- more than 90 percent -- are accused of molesting teen-age boys. Indeed, the overwhelmingly homosexual nature of the abuse prompted The New York Times to engage in its classic "Where's Waldo" reporting style, in which the sex of the victims is studiedly hidden amid a torrent of genderless words, such as the "teen-ager," the "former student," the "victim" and the "accuser."

www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter032102.asp
Almost all the abuse was done by homosexuals. A fact that not even you can deny.



Yes but ALL OF THE ABUSE was carried out by priests.

lets go over that one more time

"Almost all the abuse was done by homosexuals" - Belloc
"ALL OF THE ABUSE was carried out by priests" - Dino

You can get many conclusions from that set of facts.

There are all sorts of interesting tidbits on sexual abuse. The vast majority is carried out by males for instance. What conclusion should we draw from that?

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:35:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dino:
Yes but ALL OF THE ABUSE was carried out by priests.

lets go over that one more time

"Almost all the abuse was done by homosexuals" - Belloc
"ALL OF THE ABUSE was carried out by priests" - Dino

You can get many conclusions from that set of facts.

There are all sorts of interesting tidbits on sexual abuse. The vast majority is carried out by males for instance. What conclusion should we draw from that?




Well, no, all of the abuse was not carried out by priests, unless you are trying to say that all abuse by priests was in fact committed by priests. So what in fact are you trying to say?

And saying 2 percent of those who are dentists molested young boys but at least 90% of those dentists who commited the abuse were homosexuals however the more important statistic is the first one is simply moronic and you know it. You also know that while around 2 percent of priests committed abuse, around 1-2% of the population as a whole commits abuse.
And while the majority of abuse IS in fact committed by males, from the stats that I have seen it is nowhere near "vast", quite a large percentage of abuse is also committed by women, but I would like to see your numbers. Also I wonder how the ratio of abuse committed by men or women would change if you remove homosexual men from the equation. Seems like it would change quite a bit.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 1:48:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 1:59:52 PM EDT by Dino]

Originally Posted By Belloc:

Originally Posted By Dino:
Yes but ALL OF THE ABUSE was carried out by priests.

lets go over that one more time

"Almost all the abuse was done by homosexuals" - Belloc
"ALL OF THE ABUSE was carried out by priests" - Dino

You can get many conclusions from that set of facts.

There are all sorts of interesting tidbits on sexual abuse. The vast majority is carried out by males for instance. What conclusion should we draw from that?




Well, no, all of the abuse was not carried out by priests, unless you are trying to say that all abuse by priests was in fact committed by priests. So what in fact are you trying to say?

And saying 2 percent of those who are dentists molested young boys but at least 90% of those dentists who commited the abuse were homosexuals however the more important statistic is the first one is simply moronic and you know it. You also know that while around 2 percent of priests committed abuse, around 1-2% of the population as a whole commits abuse.
And while the majority of abuse IS in fact committed by males, from the stats that I have seen it is nowhere near "vast", quite a large percentage of abuse is also committed by women, but I would like to see your numbers. Also I wonder how the ratio of abuse committed by men or women would change if you remove homosexual men from the equation. Seems like it would change quite a bit.



We'd also have to agree on what constitutes a homosexual.
Many pedophiles have normal sexual relations with adults and homosexual relationships with children. They are mostly males. I have a hard time considering that abuse by a homosexual, but it it homosexual abuse...

I think applying adult sexual terms to pedophiles is foolish. Pedophilea is disgusting because its an adult abusing a child, regardless of the sex matrix in question. I don't find heterosexual pedophiliea to be any more or less objectionable. Its all sick and we should put the pedophiles in a grave where they belong imo.



Link Posted: 3/17/2006 2:15:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dino:
We'd also have to agree on what constitutes a homosexual.
Many pedophiles have normal sexual relations with adults and homosexual relationships with children. They are mostly males. I have a hard time considering that abuse by a homosexual, but it it homosexual abuse...

I think applying adult sexual terms to pedophiles is foolish. Pedophilea is disgusting because its an adult abusing a child, regardless of the sex matrix in question. I don't find heterosexual pedophiliea to be any more or less objectionable. Its all sick and we should put the pedophiles in a grave where they belong imo.



Here is the problem with what you wrote. The vast majority of cases of abuse were NOT pedophilia, but pederasty. It was the sexual abuse of sexually mature or maturing boys. Also, it was those who committed the abuse who indentified THEMSELVES as homosexuals.

Look, I know full well that if you took a cruise ship and filled it with high school cheerleaders and sent it out to see for a year staffed with hetersexual married men you would come back with alot of pregnant cheerleaders, but that does not change the fact that every study done on the matter states that a much greater percentage of homosexual men molest young boys. THAT is the reason the Boys Scouts will not send teenage boys out into the woods with homosexuals. Common sense.

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 2:37:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 2:43:25 PM EDT by Dino]

Originally Posted By Belloc:

Originally Posted By Dino:
We'd also have to agree on what constitutes a homosexual.
Many pedophiles have normal sexual relations with adults and homosexual relationships with children. They are mostly males. I have a hard time considering that abuse by a homosexual, but it it homosexual abuse...

I think applying adult sexual terms to pedophiles is foolish. Pedophilea is disgusting because its an adult abusing a child, regardless of the sex matrix in question. I don't find heterosexual pedophiliea to be any more or less objectionable. Its all sick and we should put the pedophiles in a grave where they belong imo.



Here is the problem with what you wrote. The vast majority of cases of abuse were NOT pedophilia, but pederasty. It was the sexual abuse of sexually mature or maturing boys. Also, it was those who committed the abuse who indentified THEMSELVES as homosexuals.

Look, I know full well that if you took a cruise ship and filled it with high school cheerleaders and sent it out to see for a year staffed with hetersexual married men you would come back with alot of pregnant cheerleaders, but that does not change the fact that every study done on the matter states that a much greater percentage of homosexual men molest young boys. THAT is the reason the Boys Scouts will not send teenage boys out into the woods with homosexuals. Common sense.




Men who rape other men in prison often identify themselves as heterosexuals. I'm not sure I agree with them, and I'm not sure you would either. I don't believe a man who sleeps with women and young boys is covered by the term, homosexual.

My view is that deviants (of whatever type) will be attracted to jobs that give them access to their deviant behaviour. Pedophiles will want to work with children so they choose careers/activities like school counselor, foster parent, teacher, coach, priest, or boy scout troop leader.

My cousin is a pedophile (currently locked up for the next 5 years for parole violations where he exposed himself to a 7 year old) He likes little girls though. Does that make him more or less vile than a pedophile who likes little boys?

The vast majority of homosexuals do NOT molest little boys or little girls.
The vast majority of heterosexuals do NOT molest little boys or little girls.

Deal with the problem (pedophilea) and don't worry about what adults do with one another.


Link Posted: 3/17/2006 2:48:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dino:

Men who rape other men in prison often identify themselves as heterosexuals. I'm not sure I agree with them, and I'm not sure you would either. I don't believe a man who sleeps with women and young boys is covered by the term, homosexual.

Would you agree that someone who rapes young boys and sodomizes adult men and identifies himself as a homosexual is in fact a homosexual?

My view is that deviants (of whatever type) will be attracted to jobs that give them access to their deviant behaviour. Pedophiles will want to work with children so they choose careers/activities like school counselor, foster parent, teacher, coach, priest, or boy scout troop leader.
And what of pederasty?

The vast majority of homosexuals do NOT molest little boys or little girls.
The vast majority of heterosexuals do NOT molest little boys or little girls.


But a much larger percentage of homosexuals abuse boys.


Report: Pedophilia more common among 'gays'
Research purports to reveal 'dark side' of homosexual culture
By Jon Dougherty
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com


Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.

"Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture," wrote Steve Baldwin in, "Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement," soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review.

Baldwin is the executive director of the Council for National Policy in Washington, D.C.

"It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh," wrote Baldwin. "However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization – the nuclear family."

Though the homosexual community and much of the media scoff at such accusations, Baldwin – who chaired the California Assembly's Education committee, where he fought against support for the homosexual agenda in the state's public schools – says in his report that homosexual activists' "efforts to target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement" constitute an "unmistakable" attack on "the family unit."

Baldwin's research is substantiated in a recently completed body of work written by Dr. Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education and author of numerous authoritative books debunking sexual myths, including "Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences."

In her thesis – also written for the Regent University Law Review – Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. …"

Abel also found that non-incarcerated "child molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender … whose targets were males."

"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering," said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. "Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."

Jay Heavener, spokesman for PFLAG – Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, counters that federal crime data refute claims that homosexuals molest children at higher rates than heterosexuals.

"According to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), this claim is false," he told WND by e-mail. "The gay and lesbian community calls into question any dubious research which flies in the face of our own experience."

And Gary Schoener, a clinical psychologist who has been diagnosing and treating clergy abuse for 28 years, told Salon.com, "There are far more heterosexual cases than homosexual."

In terms of sheer numbers, that may be true. But in terms of numbers of children abused per offender, homosexuals abuse with far greater frequency; and boys, research shows, are the much-preferred target.

Baldwin says evidence he examined disproves the assertion that child molestation is more prevalent among heterosexuals. Both he and Reisman found that media coverage of adult homosexual abuse of minors is also slanted.

"The National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association (NLGJA) recently boasted that although homosexuals are less than two percent of the population, three-fourths of the people who decide the content of the front page of the New York Times are homosexual," Reisman wrote.

That one fact is especially noteworthy, experts point out, given the recent child sex scandals taking place within the American Catholic church.

A survey by WorldNetDaily of recent news reports found that rarely did the media describe priestly sexual abuse as "homosexual" or "gay" activity – even though the worst incidents involved male-to-male contact, and a spate of investigative reports has revealed that the Vatican is concerned about an upsurge of homosexuals in seminary schools throughout the world.

Gay press promotes sex with children

Baldwin says his research not only "confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals," but it found that "the mainstream homosexual culture" even "commonly promotes sex with children."

"The editorial board of the leading pedophile academic journal, Paidika, is dominated by prominent homosexual scholars such as San Francisco State University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit the Journal of Homosexuality," Baldwin wrote.

During his research, he also found:

The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."
In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …" The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality … we must do it for the children's sake."
Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."
In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll … available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.
Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.
Homosexuality 'youth-oriented'?

"Research on the homosexual lifestyle confirms it is almost exclusively a youth-oriented culture," Baldwin wrote. "Very few gays exhibit preference for older men."

"Some admit to focus on teenage boys," he said, "some on prepubescent boys, and many cross over between categories."

A 1988 study detailed in Baldwin's report found that most pedophiles even consider themselves to be "gay." According to the study, "Archives of Sexual Behavior," some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years.

When asked what he thought about critics who attempt to debunk his research, Baldwin said the results speak for themselves.

"For them to say this theory is false is to call many of the homosexual movement's leaders liars," he said. "Most of my evidence comes right from the gay community."

"I managed to find enough evidence that my thesis – child molestation is an integral part of the homosexual movement – is a valid thesis," Baldwin told WorldNetDaily.

Other experts have also found a distinct pattern between child sex abusers and the incidence of homosexuality.

"How long can psychologists be in denial about the significance of the dark side, and ignore what it implies about the homosexual condition? And there's a matter of even greater concern. How long will psychologists eagerly throw open the door to gay life for every sexually confused teenager?" writes Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D, on behalf of NARTH – the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality – a group that says it exists to "provide psychological understanding of the cause, treatment and behavior patterns associated with homosexuality, within the boundaries of a civil public dialogue."

The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is "a group that openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to the needs of the boys they love," Baldwin said in his report.

The group is often endorsed by "many of the homosexual movement's most prominent leaders," he said.

Advocacy moving to schools

Promotion of the "gay and lesbian lifestyle" is increasing in the nation's public schools.

A WND survey of homosexual-oriented websites found that almost every group has some sort of program to "educate" teachers, school administrators and other school employees about the homosexual lifestyle:

GLSEN – the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network – bills itself as "the largest national network of parents, students, educators and others" specifically formed to end "discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity/expression in K-12 schools. Two recent press released boasted of the Broward County (Fla.) school board approving GLSEN-sponsored "training for teachers."
A student activist working with GLSEN officials has managed to "give voice" recently to "gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered students" at California schools;
PFLAG has created a national campaign called, "From Our House to the Schoolhouse," distributing to school officials – among other materials – a booklet entitled, "Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation and Youth: A Primer For Principals, Educators, & School Personnel. [Editor's note: Readers need the Adobe PDF reader to open and read this file.]
Though most school-related programs are sold to administrators and parents as programs designed simply to end persecution of homosexuals and lesbians, none disclose what Baldwin says is compelling evidence that homosexuality is harmful to children.

"What … does the academic literature say about the relationship between homosexuality and child molestation? Quite a bit, actually," he wrote, quoting data compiled by the Family Research Institute: "Scientific studies confirm a strong pedophilic predisposition among homosexuals."

The institute, after reviewing more than 19 studies and peer-reviewed reports in a 1985 "Psychological Reports" article, found that homosexuals account for between 25 and 40 percent of all child molestation.

"But this number is low," Baldwin says, "due to the fact that many reporters will not report if a child molester is a homosexual, even if he knows that to be the case."


Link Posted: 3/19/2006 9:44:33 AM EDT
The Catholic Church has made mistakes in the past and will in the future. Christ left Saint Peter, a human being in charge of His Church on earth. Pope Benedict who currently sits on the throne of Peter is just as human as are the Bishops and Priests below him. I believe that the Bishop was right, regardless of whether or not they were accepting government money, to stand up for Church doctrine. Cannon Law comes first, government rule second.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 1:50:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RomanCatholic:
The Catholic Church has made mistakes in the past and will in the future. Christ left Saint Peter, a human being in charge of His Church on earth. Pope Benedict who currently sits on the throne of Peter is just as human as are the Bishops and Priests below him. I believe that the Bishop was right, regardless of whether or not they were accepting government money, to stand up for Church doctrine. Cannon Law comes first, government rule second.



I would agree, but it seems they weren't obeying Church Law before. They placed children in same-sex parent homes.

Seems strange to do it (albeit rarely) then decide its against your morals. There is more to this story than the original report.

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