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Posted: 1/5/2006 10:10:09 PM EDT
On a Harley Davidson forum no less... I agree what this guy did, do you?

autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/HD-TC88/message/11175

Allah or Jesus? by Rick Mathes

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for
maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training
session there was a presentation by three speakers representing
the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained
each of their belief systems.

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.

The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete
with a video.

After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

When it was my turn, I directed my q uestion to the Imam and asked,

"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams
and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against
the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is
a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If
that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"

There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation,
he replied, "Non-believers!"



I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All
followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not
of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command
to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in
the cookie jar.

He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine
Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith
or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to
Heaven!"

The Imam was speechless.

I continued, "I also have a problem with being your friend when you
and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let
me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells
you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to
love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with
me?"

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of
the 'Diversification' training semin ar were not happy with Rick's
way of dealing with the Islamic, Imam and exposing the truth about
the Muslim's beliefs.

I think everyone in the US should be required to read this, but with
the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no
way this will be widely publicized.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 12:11:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2006 12:13:48 AM EDT by Dino]
www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp

Let me give you a hint. If you see something on the internet that makes you giddy because it falls in line with some prejudice you have, then you should probably check it out before posting it as truth.

So the next time you see something like this, you may want to do a simple search on snopes first


If one is willing to ignore history, context, and actual practice when quoting scripture and other religious texts, followers of just about any religion can be painted as uniformly fanatic and intolerant. Consider the following recasting of the piece quoted above:
The minister gave a great presentation of the basics of Christianity, complete with a video. After the presentations time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn I directed my question to the minister and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that in Exodus 35:2, the Bible instructs Christians to kill everyone who works on the sabbath: 'Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.'"

There was no disagreement with my statement.

I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. God has commanded Christians to kill everyone who works on Sunday, even Muslims and other non-Christians?"

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

I then said, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine the Prophet Muhammad commanding all Muslims to kill those of your faith for not observing the Muslim sabbath."

The minister was speechless.

I continued, "I also have problem with your Bible commanding all Christians to stone to death anyone who criticizes your God, as detailed in Leviticus 24:16. Let me ask you a question . . . would you rather have your God who tell you to kill me in order to go to heaven or my Allah who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and wants you to be with me?"

You could have heard a pin drop as the minister hung his head in shame.

Link Posted: 1/6/2006 4:18:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 9:28:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
As I was reading through this story, the first thing I thought was BS.


As shown now, don't believe everything you read on the net.



Ditto. If you know anything about Islam in the first place you can spot the BS from the beginning.
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