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Posted: 12/19/2005 1:38:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 7:07:09 AM EDT by ratfusion]
I try to avoid posting, reading is by far entertaining enough for me, however this is a question that I find very intriguing. Please detail your answer if you'd like.

ETA: use heaven as a general term for whatever your take on the positive afterlife is. Assume followers are following faithfully / sincerely.

ETA2: I know everyone wants to look for an exception, but please try to fit into an above category. It is important to look at this with your definition of good for choice 1, or people that are following the basic teachings as you read them for choice 3, following exactly as you do for choice 4. We're not trying to distinguish between the good and the bad, but more upon the exclusivity of heaven.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 1:38:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 1:45:44 PM EDT by WildBoar]
My first RF section IBTP

Who goes to heaven? I firmly believe



"For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

John 3:16


Who are the "whosoevers"?
Answer:


"All that the Father giveth . . . shall come . . ." (John 6:37). "My
sheep hear My voice and I know them and they follow Me" (John 10:27).


Why is it that some do not believe?
Answer:


"But you believe not because you are not My sheep . . ." (John 10:26).
The Father gave His Son some sheep and He has sent us out to preach and
witness because that is the means He employs to call them. "As thou
hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life
to as many as Thou hast given Him" (John 17:2).


They will come because Christ died for them and Christ has prayed for
them.


"I pray for them; I pray not for the world, but for them which Thou
hast given me: for they are thine" (John 17:9). Jesus prayed for the
future sheep who would come. "Neither pray I for these alone, but for
them also which shall believe on Me through their word" (John
17:20). "Father, I will that they also, Whom Thou hast given Me, be
with Me where I am; that they may behold My glory, which Thou hast
given Me: for thou lovest Me before the foundation of the world" (John
17:24)

What God wants, God gets.

Peace.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 1:58:26 PM EDT
Why do you ask?

Link Posted: 12/19/2005 2:12:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Why do you ask?




Asking this question to find the true answer from a poll would be rather futile. However, how people answer, and more importantly why they answer how they do, can be very informative.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 2:13:41 PM EDT
Easy answer that doesn't fit into your vote catagories.

Those who follow ALL (I'm referring to the 4th) the Ten Commandments to the best they can, and still not being perfect, are saved thru grace and Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.

Those who follow the truth as they see it the best they can. Some humans in this world do not have the same exposure to the truth as some of us in a more tecnological society.

God knows how to sort out the insincere.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 2:15:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Why do you ask?




Alternatively, the bus I'm on just went over 60 mph. Trying to make sure I've got my bases covered before we slow down.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 2:17:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NRA2:
Easy answer that doesn't fit into your vote catagories.

Those who follow ALL (I'm referring to the 4th) the Ten Commandments to the best they can, and still not being perfect, are saved thru grace and Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.

Those who follow the truth as they see it the best they can. Some humans in this world do not have the same exposure to the truth as some of us in a more tecnological society.

God knows how to sort out the insincere.



Limited to 5 poll choices, I think you wanted just Abrahamic, but no other monotheistic religions.

Please assume sincerity / good faith.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 2:20:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ratfusion:

Originally Posted By NRA2:
Easy answer that doesn't fit into your vote catagories.

Those who follow ALL (I'm referring to the 4th) the Ten Commandments to the best they can, and still not being perfect, are saved thru grace and Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.

Those who follow the truth as they see it the best they can. Some humans in this world do not have the same exposure to the truth as some of us in a more tecnological society.

God knows how to sort out the insincere.



Limited to 5 poll choices, I think you wanted just Abrahamic, but no other monotheistic religions.

Please assume sincerity / good faith.




Assuming total sincerity.......


Those who trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior, repenting of their sins, following Him in Baptism, and living a life of obedience to Him, go to Heaven.

Not the 'good' (for none are good), not those who do good works, not those who believe in a 'god', not those who are 'spiritual', not those who are 'religious', not those who attend the 'right' church.



I didn't make the rules.

Link Posted: 12/19/2005 2:46:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Assuming total sincerity.......


Those who trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior, repenting of their sins, following Him in Baptism, and living a life of obedience to Him, go to Heaven.

Not the 'good' (for none are good), not those who do good works, not those who believe in a 'god', not those who are 'spiritual', not those who are 'religious', not those who attend the 'right' church.



I didn't make the rules.




At least I had a fairly good poll choice for you, I was trying to keep them so they'd apply to everyone as close to equally as possible.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 2:55:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 2:56:25 PM EDT by NavajoGunOwner]
I want to know what YOU mean by "heaven". Clouds and harps? Not my idea of heaven.
Lots of people belive in a heaven, the question needs clarity,
what is your heaven like,
Where is it located,
who made it,
what is going on thier,
what is its purpose,
what is your role once thier,
who runs the place?
Once you define that then we could talk about who goes there.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 2:59:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 3:46:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NavajoGunOwner:
I want to know what YOU mean by "heaven". Clouds and harps? Not my idea of heaven.
Lots of people belive in a heaven, the question needs clarity,
what is your heaven like,
Where is it located,
who made it,
what is going on thier,
what is its purpose,
what is your role once thier,
who runs the place?
Once you define that then we could talk about who goes there.




Originally Posted By ratfusion:
ETA: use heaven as a general term for whatever your take on the positive afterlife is.


Link Posted: 12/20/2005 6:20:11 AM EDT
You are missing one VERY important selection. I can not vote.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 6:34:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 7:33:12 AM EDT by ghengiskhabb]
Dirt Nap - - - Waiting for ressurection.

Genesis 3:19
By the sweat of your brow you will eat food until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you will return.”

Link Posted: 12/20/2005 6:35:50 AM EDT
I'd rather not judge.........
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 6:35:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 6:39:04 AM EDT by fight4yourrights]
NONE OF THE ABOVE


Only those that are Saved. Those that accept the free gift of salvation


Though goodness? Nope - the Bible states in Romans 3:10-12: "There is none righteous, not even one; there is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God; all have turned aside, together they have become useless; there is none who does good, there is not even one."



Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." He also said, "I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, He cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:3,5,6). The Spirit he is speaking of is the Holy Spirit. The conviction power of the Holy Spirit is what causes you to realize your separation from God and draw towards Him. In doing so, you can be born again, not by the flesh, but by the Spirit of God.


Link Posted: 12/20/2005 7:08:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
You are missing one VERY important selection. I can not vote.



Please elaborate.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 7:59:38 AM EDT
Like others have said. You don't have the correct choice on here. You only get to heaven my accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. You can't get there by the choices you have on your poll. Sorry, if you don't agree. I didn't make the way. HE did! But others have pointed you in the right direction
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 8:06:46 AM EDT
God only knows.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 1:36:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 1:50:59 PM EDT by MormonComputerZ]
According to "South Park", Mormons do. LOL -kidding

Transcript from the Episode I was referring too. Quite hilarious.

[Hell, waiting area. Many souls are there, wondering where they
are, and why.]

STEPHEN
Where, where am I?

MAN
Where are we?

MAN 2
No doubt about it...

WOMAN
What's happening??

MAN 3
Oooooooooh!

HELL DIRECTOR
Hello, newcomers, and welcome. Can everybody
hear me? Hello? Can everybuh-? Okay.
Uh, I'm the hell director. Uh, it looks
like we have about 8,615 of you newbies
today, and for those of you who are
a little confused, uh, you are dead,
and this is hell, so, abandon all hope
and uh yada yada yada. Uh, we are now
going to start the orientation process,
which will last about-

MAN 4
Hey, wait a minute, I shouldn't be here.
I wa a totally strict and devout Protestant!
I thought we went to heaven!

HELL DIRECTOR
Yes, well I'm afraid you were wrong.


SOLDIER
I was a practicing Jehovah's Witness.

HELL DIRECTOR
Uh, you picked the wrong religion as
well.

MAN 5
Well, who was right? Who gets into heaven?


HELL DIRECTOR
I'm afraid it was the Mormons. Yes,
the Mormons were the correct answer.


CROWD
Awww.

HELL DIRECTOR
So now I'd like to quickly introduce
your new ruler and master for eternity,
Satan!
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 3:02:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MormonComputerZ:
According to "South Park", Mormons do. LOL -kidding

Transcript from the Episode I was referring too. Quite hilarious.

[Hell, waiting area. Many souls are there, wondering where they
are, and why.]

STEPHEN
Where, where am I?

MAN
Where are we?

MAN 2
No doubt about it...

WOMAN
What's happening??

MAN 3
Oooooooooh!

HELL DIRECTOR
Hello, newcomers, and welcome. Can everybody
hear me? Hello? Can everybuh-? Okay.
Uh, I'm the hell director. Uh, it looks
like we have about 8,615 of you newbies
today, and for those of you who are
a little confused, uh, you are dead,
and this is hell, so, abandon all hope
and uh yada yada yada. Uh, we are now
going to start the orientation process,
which will last about-

MAN 4
Hey, wait a minute, I shouldn't be here.
I wa a totally strict and devout Protestant!
I thought we went to heaven!

HELL DIRECTOR
Yes, well I'm afraid you were wrong.


SOLDIER
I was a practicing Jehovah's Witness.

HELL DIRECTOR
Uh, you picked the wrong religion as
well.

MAN 5
Well, who was right? Who gets into heaven?


HELL DIRECTOR
I'm afraid it was the Mormons. Yes,
the Mormons were the correct answer.


CROWD
Awww.

HELL DIRECTOR
So now I'd like to quickly introduce
your new ruler and master for eternity,
Satan!



MormonComputerZ - be nice
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:02:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/21/2005 6:03:08 PM EDT by MormonComputerZ]

Originally Posted By sterling18:
MormonComputerZ - be nice



Hey! I'm not the one who wrote the transcript to the show. I was just qoutin'! Don't be hatin' brother! LOL
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:40:16 PM EDT
There is an option for Christianity on the poll. It's the third one down. What is the problem?
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:55:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/21/2005 6:55:32 PM EDT by EricTheHun]
'Everyone that leads a good life'????

Yeah. Right.

Keep deluding yourselves that you could ever live the life that would merit you Eternal Life!

Even the Saints need a Saviour!

Eric The(No,NotOne)Hun
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 7:06:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JohnTheTexican:
God only knows.



Which one?
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