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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:26:24 AM EDT
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Idiotic. One is murder, the other is a biblically-sound punishment for certain crimes. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:26:40 AM EDT
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The babys crime is being helpless |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:27:03 AM EDT
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well yes, but maybe 50 million dead from a war he started could of been averted  www.crisismagazine.com/march2005/feature2.htm "Dr. Fritz Hubener was a rarity in Austrian 19th-century medicine. Against the dictates of the powerful Austrian Catholic Church, he advocated the right of women to terminate dangerous pregnancies, particularly when they were trapped in relationships with powerful, abusive men. One day, a woman named Klara came to him for medical advice. She was pregnant and frightened. Not the least of her fears was the manipulative fear of hell that had been put into her by a cold and uncaring parish priest. She was a timid girl and not sure she was ready to be a mother. Dr. Hubener was, at present, the only one who knew she was pregnant besides her. He urged her to terminate the pregnancy, but in the end, out of her fear of hell, Klara declined. Eight months later, her son, Adolf Hitler, was born." |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:27:31 AM EDT
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That was my point. Its impossible to make that definition so your allusion to Hitler or Slave owners is totally off. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:27:39 AM EDT
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Couldn't have said it better myself. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:27:55 AM EDT
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Riddle: If I split an 8-cell embryo into 4 two-cell embryos, how many humans do I have?
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:28:18 AM EDT
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No, the beam and speck thing means take care of your own transgressions against your professed faith before getting in other peoples business. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:28:45 AM EDT
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none, for a few weeks anyway |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:28:55 AM EDT
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 equals  ?????? Wow. That's some pretty messed up logic you have there! |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:30:09 AM EDT
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Fair enough but idiotic and morally repugnant are two different things. Or else there'd be no stupid nice people (which there are lots of). |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:31:09 AM EDT
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did any fetus ever kill annyone? did any fetus rape a 12 year old child? i think not. form a morality standpoint, killing a fetus is about the worst thing you can do. they are 100% pure and innocent. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:31:29 AM EDT
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Murder is not "other people's buisness". Further, there is no Biblical edict against eating at IHOP on Sunday. Were I to eat at IHOP on Sunday, I would not be sinning against God. Were I to ignore the slaughter of the unborn, I WOULD be sinning against God. Christians are supposed to stand up for the widow and the orphan, or to put it in our modern terms, those who are victimized because they are weak. Ignoring massive injustice and focusing narrowly on a few religious teachings is one of the reasons Jesus was always yelling at the pharisees. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:31:43 AM EDT
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 A made up excuse to excuse the inexcusable. I also read/heard stupid bullshit not based on not one twit of fact all the time… I am usually don't repeat it. Where exactly would Hitler’s mother a Catholic have gotten this abortion in 1880s Germany… and who exactly would this Doctor have told this to, a Doctor I might point out who would have had to be at least 80 years old before he could have talked about it after Hitler was dead. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:32:40 AM EDT
[#14]
who's that dude, looks like an ARFCOMER 
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:32:46 AM EDT
[#15]
What? 
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:33:06 AM EDT
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Its falls under what a intelligent being is. For instance if we found a Bigfoot or a new species of chimp we have never seen before (an alien race for instance) what characteristics would we use to determine if this is a being we need to respect and has a right to life or use for our own purposes for medical testing etc? How would you do that? Technically it would not be human (no human DNA) so you would have to have other characteristics to point to. Once you have these characteristics determined why make exceptions for human DNA? Answer? Feelings, instinct. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:33:11 AM EDT
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I just quoted a source above, read it slacker. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:34:05 AM EDT
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too bad some of the people here mothers didnt have an abortion...then they could have experienced it first hand.
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:35:28 AM EDT
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No you quoted NOTHING you repeated a unsupportable piece on nonsence. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:35:53 AM EDT
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How about this: A chimp is a CHIMP. A human fetus, left to nature, will grow up to be a HUMAN BEING like you or me. If you argue that there is no difference in shooting an ape and shooting a man, then you are free to do so. But don't expect many subscribers to that line of thinking. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:36:04 AM EDT
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Liberals--------It's about a woman's right to choose
It's about a woman's body or a woman's health They are so quick to condone the killing of the INNOCENT And when the Judicial System wants to put to Death a Serial Killer like Gary Ridgeway who confessed to 48 murders with posiibly 70 or more to his credit they'll come out of the woodwork to protect the life of the GUILTY One more stupid argument from the Libtards " A fetus cannot survive outside the womb therefore it's not fully a life " My response " A 6 month old Child cannot survive outside the womb either without support from an Adult " Remember Liberalism is a Mental Disorder |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:36:39 AM EDT
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It is right up there. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:37:09 AM EDT
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He's a friendly enough fellow. He keept asking to have people for dinner sometime....
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:37:24 AM EDT
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yeah aren't you the one arguing in the "A small plane/rocket hit the pentagon thread"? for a conspiracy? |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:38:45 AM EDT
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Just got more idiotic and asinine... assuming that is true you propose killing them? |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:40:30 AM EDT
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You missed my point. Take away the scapegoat of DNA. What if the "chimp" (I stated something similar to a chimp and nothing we have seen before) mastered english? Could use a computer? If your so set on DNA what about a human illegally cloned with a cross of some animal DNA. So technically does not have human DNA but has some intelligent thought. Could we be free to use it for medical testing? You cannot use DNA as your litmus test. Spunk has all the DNA I have. Do you argue I am killing millions of them by using a condom? |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:41:11 AM EDT
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As long as abortion is legal, there should be no such thing as child support. Any man should be able to pay 50% of the cost of an abortion up front and not be financially responsible for anything else. After all, it is a woman's choice to keep or discard her baby. So, if she decides to keep it, it is her decision and her responsibility to provide.
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:43:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:44:13 AM EDT
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I don’t propose anything, it’s none of my business. I’m just saying that it seems like a lot of Christian conservative types oppose abortion (something they’re not going to go do anyway) but if it was banned completely there would probably be a lot more children born into situations that would result in democrat leanings. That would eventually see the political environment totally against your lifestyle/belief system. You don't think it's true? Now THAT is asinine...of course it's true. Who do you think is getting the abortions? The Christian conservatives? |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:44:30 AM EDT
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What does planet of the apes have to do with this conversation??
You need to brush up on your sex ed. Sperm contain only HALF of your DNA set. The other half of the DNA set is provided by the egg. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:46:07 AM EDT
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As soon as your Pet Monkey learns how to talk or starts an account on ARFCOM be sure to post pics and let us know Human Life begins at conception That's when the Sperm meets the Egg From that point on Life has begun So spilling your seed so to speak is not killing a Human Life |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:46:35 AM EDT
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If a woman wants to take out her uterus, she can. If she wants to have a different sex partner every night, she can. It is when a third INNOCENT PARTY is being sentenced to death that we have a problem. It isn't ABOUT the woman's body, but is about the innocent party, namely the child. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:46:39 AM EDT
[#33]
Twenty pages before midnight...and a lock before dawn...
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:47:29 AM EDT
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One of the primary retorts given by those who are pro-abortion is that if a pro-lifer isn't willing to adopt a child that the mother doesn't want, they should stfu. This is flawed logic. The same could be said of any individual who did not beleive that it was OK for a mother to kill her unwanted toddler, if you aren't willing to adopt that child, the mother should be able to kill it. Obviously this would be unacceptable.
If it is not OK for a mother to kill her unwanted 2 year old, why is it then OK for her to kill her unwanted, unborn child? There is no logical explenation that can account for this. If it is OK for a mother to kill an unwanted fetus, why can't she kill her 10 year old son that she either does not want, or cannot provide for? I guess because I'm not willing to adopt that 10 year old, I have no right to call her a murderer if she does in fact kill him, right? That is the same "logic" that pro-abortionists use to try to shut down a pro-lifer, but it is not sound. Fetuses are in fact humans. Biologically, they cannot be anything else. Species reproduce after their own kind, meaning that anything that results as a product of reproduction is a member of the parent's species. This is something that is taught in every biology class. Fetuses are a result of human reproduction, and therefore, they cannot be anything but human themselves. If it is wrong for an individual to take a born human's life without due-process in this nation, why is it that unborn children are not given these same due-process rights? Biologicaly they are human as well. They cannot be anything else. Please, give me one reason that follows sound logic why abortion is not in fact taking the life of a human being. You can't, biology simply will not allow for it. Species reproduce after their own kind, and there is no exception to this in the natural world. Humans are no exception. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:47:46 AM EDT
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A child who may grow up to be a liberal is still a child. What they might do in their future is hardly reason to support bumping them off, and any "christian" who supports abortion because it reduces the number of liberals out there is no Christian at all. Christ said suffer not the little children, not to kill them if they might turn out wrong. I don't know of ANY child who ever was born into perfect circumstances, meaning that ANY child's murder can be justified by the bad circumstances/bad outcome arguement. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:48:12 AM EDT
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Is that so? Numbers 15:32-36 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) 32And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. 33And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. 34And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. 35And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. 36And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:48:36 AM EDT
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lets hear it for morons who've failed biology(or never got far enough along in high school prior to drop out to take it) the moment a sperm cell hits a ovum, it isnt even remotely human, it really isnt much different than a fat cell at that point. a few weeks later after it has divided a few billion times after it has gone through a zygote phase(which happens to look exactly the same in all mammals) it becomes a fetus and then actually is human. prior to that it is jut a pile of cells. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:48:45 AM EDT
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Side note, irrelevant to the fact that we strongly disagree on the abortion issue: As a Christian, my primary goal is NOT to create a country made up entirely of conservative voters. Sure, it would be nice, and, sure, I can work towards that end, but it is NOT the ultimate agenda. Jesus's Kingdom is not 'of this world'. I'd rather have babies born and grow up to be democrats, than to see them aborted, even if they voted against my vote. Again, it is NOT our primary agenda to establish a 'kingdom' here on earth through politics. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:48:57 AM EDT
[#39]
Preaching to the choir here. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:50:14 AM EDT
[#40]
I know but there seem to be all kinds of double standards (for some anti-abortion people) so I just figured this was a legitimate aspect to bring up. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:51:01 AM EDT
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It is no more a "pile of cells" than YOU are a "pile of cells". The moment immediately after sperm meets egg is a STAGE IN HUMAN DEVELOPMENT. You went through it. I went through it. Everyone who has ever lived went through it. It is a part of HUMAN LIFE. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:52:23 AM EDT
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I figure the female who is pregnant chose to act in a manner that can sometimes lead to becoming pregnant. Therefore I do not see any point in someone paying for something she chose to do in the first place. As mentioned there are people who try to adopt and that should help cover all the rape and other arguments that often come up. I used to feel it was the woman's right to do with her body as she pleases. These days I believe it is the woman's right to do with her body as she pleases, until she affects someone else. And having an abortion is affecting someone else. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:53:02 AM EDT
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Christ NO!!!! it was a alien space craft from planet Uzzzerbengoffylota sent here to be one of Bushes 'cronies'...but accidentlaly crashed at the exact moments of 9/11  |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:53:13 AM EDT
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Well that sounds like "practicing what you preach" so to speak and sounds admirable (seriously...not being a sarcastic prick). In any case, I was more trying to show that my assertion that abortion reduces the number of democrats is true, not idiotic. Whether or not it's wrong is a separate issue. |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:53:23 AM EDT
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same as every rat, horse, and dingo as well. if I were to show you pictures of a zygote from a human, horse, cow, rat, mouse, and monkey I know for sure that you couldnt tell the difference between them. the point is, that there is no activity to show life, it is still the organizational stage of development prior to kicking the ignition on. much akin to a computer being put together prior to being turned on. and honestly, how does this negatively affect you in any way? |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:54:11 AM EDT
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Yes, you have a problem with sentencing an innocent party to death ... better remind Texas that it's "always best to err on the side of life" Sunday, November 20, 2005; Posted: 11:32 p.m. EST (04:32 GMT) HOUSTON, Texas (AP) -- Doubts are being cast on the guilt of a Texas man executed more than a dozen years ago after the crime's lone witness recanted and a co-defendant said he allowed his friend to be falsely accused under police pressure, the Houston Chronicle reported Sunday. Again, not disagreeing with you ... just pointing out the hypocrisy with considering one form of life (undeveloped and incapable of supporting itself) more "sacred" than another form of life (who may or may not be guilty of a sin). |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:54:34 AM EDT
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Did you actually bother to read the story... 
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:56:05 AM EDT
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yeah cliff notes: doctors doing a crappy job |
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:56:22 AM EDT
[#49]
Spunk only contains half of my DNA? WTF? 
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Posted: 11/28/2005 9:57:45 AM EDT
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Illogical nonsense. So what is your point… Do you propose we give each baby a trial and appeals before an abortion… that would be the equal comparison. And if that were the case there would be NO abortions. |
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