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Posted: 6/5/2018 5:59:58 PM EDT
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I stopped reading at "she".
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Posted: 6/5/2018 8:16:09 PM EDT
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I stopped reading at "she".  
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Posted: 6/5/2018 10:22:42 PM EDT
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I stopped reading at "she". |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 6:39:38 AM EDT
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Serious question, why? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/6/2018 9:00:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because using the pronoun "she" is just trying to be edgy. Maybe read the rest of it, and the rest of the first page too. Oh well to each their own. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 12:09:13 PM EDT
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Man was created blameless and given one rule and a warning.
Man viloated that rule and became corrupt and subject to death and separation from God as punishment. God had mercy and promised a way out. Innocent animals perished so Man could be clothed in skins, this is a Shadow of Jesus (if you want to have your mind blown, get a book on Types and Shadows and read it with an open mind.) The Law and scarifice were put into place as a stop gap until the time was ripe. When the time was ripe (now the Gospel could spread throughout the known World via the Roman Empire) the sacrificial Lamb came and accepted an unjust death. Satan, will be the accuser of man when we are judged but Jesus will have paid the penalty for those who believe and God will view those through the perfection of Jesus and Satan's charges will be over ruled. Its really a beautiful system if you can look at it objectively. All one has to do is ask and follow. Read Isiah 53 in the context of a phrophecy and look at the events in the New Testament. There are 55 distinct prophecies regarding the Messiah written about 7-800 years BC. Under the law of compund probability, there is a 36, 028, 797, 018, 963, 968:1 chance that a single person could fulfill every one of those prophecies. It would make a Power Ball ticket a sure bet in contrast. Guess who fulfilled every last one? God is a Holy God. There can be no corruption, lies, false promises, vain threats, or dishonesty in God. He issued a warning and He has to follow through. He promised a gift and He has to follow through. He has followed through except for a few things that are yet to happen, but they will. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 12:18:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because using the pronoun "she" is just trying to be edgy. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 12:26:10 PM EDT
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Man was created blameless and given one rule and a warning. Man viloated that rule and became corrupt and subject to death and separation from God as punishment. God had mercy and promised a way out. Innocent animals perished so Man could be clothed in skins, this is a Shadow of Jesus (if you want to have your mind blown, get a book on Types and Shadows and read it with an open mind.) The Law and scarifice were put into place as a stop gap until the time was ripe. When the time was ripe (now the Gospel could spread throughout the known World via the Roman Empire) the sacrificial Lamb came and accepted an unjust death. Satan, will be the accuser of man when we are judged but Jesus will have paid the penalty for those who believe and God will view those through the perfection of Jesus and Satan's charges will be over ruled. Its really a beautiful system if you can look at it objectively. All one has to do is ask and follow. Read Isiah 53 in the context of a phrophecy and look at the events in the New Testament. There are 55 distinct prophecies regarding the Messiah written about 7-800 years BC. Under the law of compund probability, there is a 36, 028, 797, 018, 963, 968:1 chance that a single person could fulfill every one of those prophecies. It would make a Power Ball ticket a sure bet in contrast. Guess who fulfilled every last one? God is a Holy God. There can be no corruption, lies, false promises, vain threats, or dishonesty in God. He issued a warning and He has to follow through. He promised a gift and He has to follow through. He has followed through except for a few things that are yet to happen, but they will. I am genuinely interested in the books you mentioned on types and shadows. I know it may be hard for some to wrap their mind around, but even though I reject a faith system I have great respect for them and am fascinated by them and love learning. Is there a specific title I should look for? |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 1:22:10 PM EDT
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I have heard all this many times before and have one big issue with it. It establishes a strong guilt complex. Instilling guilt puts people in a much lower energetic state, where they cannot realize their full potential. Another powerful tool for keeping people down that many religions use is fear. I utterly reject any faith system that speaks of guilt and fear. I am genuinely interested in the books you mentioned on types and shadows. I know it may be hard for some to wrap their mind around, but even though I reject a faith system I have great respect for them and am fascinated by them and love learning. Is there a specific title I should look for? Eta Good, Evil, the gray in between? I do not think such human Concepts apply to her. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 1:29:01 PM EDT
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Valid point IF Little pony hadn't explained why he feels God is feminine. 
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Posted: 6/6/2018 10:04:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel a similar way, why would such laws or mandates exist? But perhaps what bothers me most is the concept of Angels and Demons, why do we need their help to know the difference between right and wrong? We create our own joy and misery, we are our own students and teachers to some degree, the abrahamic God himself is ... ok, but everything else attached to him? Gabriel, Lucifer, Saints, the Pope, Jesus? No thanks. Eta Good, Evil, the gray in between? I do not think such human Concepts apply to her. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 11:04:07 PM EDT
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Man was created blameless and given one rule and a warning. Man viloated that rule and became corrupt and subject to death and separation from God as punishment. God had mercy and promised a way out. Innocent animals perished so Man could be clothed in skins, this is a Shadow of Jesus (if you want to have your mind blown, get a book on Types and Shadows and read it with an open mind.) The Law and scarifice were put into place as a stop gap until the time was ripe. When the time was ripe (now the Gospel could spread throughout the known World via the Roman Empire) the sacrificial Lamb came and accepted an unjust death. Satan, will be the accuser of man when we are judged but Jesus will have paid the penalty for those who believe and God will view those through the perfection of Jesus and Satan's charges will be over ruled. Its really a beautiful system if you can look at it objectively. All one has to do is ask and follow. Read Isiah 53 in the context of a phrophecy and look at the events in the New Testament. There are 55 distinct prophecies regarding the Messiah written about 7-800 years BC. Under the law of compund probability, there is a 36, 028, 797, 018, 963, 968:1 chance that a single person could fulfill every one of those prophecies. It would make a Power Ball ticket a sure bet in contrast. Guess who fulfilled every last one? God is a Holy God. There can be no corruption, lies, false promises, vain threats, or dishonesty in God. He issued a warning and He has to follow through. He promised a gift and He has to follow through. He has followed through except for a few things that are yet to happen, but they will. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 11:51:22 PM EDT
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Man was created blameless and given one rule and a warning. Man viloated that rule and became corrupt and subject to death and separation from God as punishment. God had mercy and promised a way out. Innocent animals perished so Man could be clothed in skins, this is a Shadow of Jesus (if you want to have your mind blown, get a book on Types and Shadows and read it with an open mind.) The Law and scarifice were put into place as a stop gap until the time was ripe. When the time was ripe (now the Gospel could spread throughout the known World via the Roman Empire) the sacrificial Lamb came and accepted an unjust death. Satan, will be the accuser of man when we are judged but Jesus will have paid the penalty for those who believe and God will view those through the perfection of Jesus and Satan's charges will be over ruled. Its really a beautiful system if you can look at it objectively. All one has to do is ask and follow. Read Isiah 53 in the context of a phrophecy and look at the events in the New Testament. There are 55 distinct prophecies regarding the Messiah written about 7-800 years BC. Under the law of compund probability, there is a 36, 028, 797, 018, 963, 968:1 chance that a single person could fulfill every one of those prophecies. It would make a Power Ball ticket a sure bet in contrast. Guess who fulfilled every last one? God is a Holy God. There can be no corruption, lies, false promises, vain threats, or dishonesty in God. He issued a warning and He has to follow through. He promised a gift and He has to follow through. He has followed through except for a few things that are yet to happen, but they will. 1. Ahura Mazda spake unto Spitama Zarathushtra, saying: 'Offer up a sacrifice, O Spitama Zarathushtra! unto this spring of mine, Ardvi Sura Anahita, the wide-expanding and health-giving, who hates the Daevas and obeys the laws of Ahura, who is worthy of sacrifice in the material world, worthy of prayer in the material world; the life-increasing and holy, the herd-increasing and holy, the fold-increasing and holy, the wealth-increasing and holy, the country-increasing and holy; |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 12:36:44 AM EDT
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hay @BlackRifle76 in your thread in GD did Timothy: 6 come to your mind?
specifically "they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth" good words on the nature of those that have no faith in anything. it came to my mind around page 26 or so when it became a circus |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 3:34:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel a similar way, why would such laws or mandates exist? But perhaps what bothers me most is the concept of Angels and Demons, why do we need their help to know the difference between right and wrong? We create our own joy and misery, we are our own students and teachers to some degree, the abrahamic God himself is ... ok, but everything else attached to him? Gabriel, Lucifer, Saints, the Pope, Jesus? No thanks. Eta Good, Evil, the gray in between? I do not think such human Concepts apply to her. As to us being our own teachers, I love this concept. I fully believe in disorganized, decentralized faith. In Hermeticism there is the idea that wisdom is there when you are ready to hear it. I believe that idea is at the very core of my belief, I need not church or teacher to see or hear wisdom. When I am ready for it, I will find it. ETA: have you done any study on Hermeticism? I think you will gain quite a bit from it. If you decide to look into it I recommend getting the Hermetica compiled by Daniel Copenhaver. It is the most complete and has a great introduction explaining the history of it. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 9:38:25 AM EDT
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I fully believe that angels and demons exist (or at least extremely powerful positive and negative spiritual energies), partially because I have personally experienced both. Years ago when I first left the military I was visited a few times by an "angel". This was right after I set the intention to experience more of the unseen. Anyway I woke up a few times and saw very clearly a young girl, my first feeling was horror at there being another person in my room. But that immediately faded to a sense of profound ease, I remember thinking "its OK, shes here". Later I dowsed (yeah I do that witchcraft pendulum thing) for a name and came up with Selomi. On other occasions I have witnessed people who are possessed, best I can describe it is they look like their face is not their own, and their eyes look like pits. Its a look I see almost all of the time in mass shooters. As to us being our own teachers, I love this concept. I fully believe in disorganized, decentralized faith. In Hermeticism there is the idea that wisdom is there when you are ready to hear it. I believe that idea is at the very core of my belief, I need not church or teacher to see or hear wisdom. When I am ready for it, I will find it. ETA: have you done any study on Hermeticism? I think you will gain quite a bit from it. If you decide to look into it I recommend getting the Hermetica compiled by Daniel Copenhaver. It is the most complete and has a great introduction explaining the history of it. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 9:58:42 AM EDT
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While I do not believe in angels or demons I do know that there is something here, but I think it is a human creation, it seems like it is existed since around the time the creation of Agriculture, it is a double edged sword, used by both heroes and villains, the intelligent, and those that use it most of all
The ignorant. And what I am talking about is hope Hope It can be innocent, like doing rain dance in hopes of having water for the crops, or to use something more recent and terrifying, it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time 
It seems that it is so powerful that it has a mind of its own, so great yet so terrible as well. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 10:55:35 AM EDT
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I have heard all this many times before and have one big issue with it. It establishes a strong guilt complex. Instilling guilt puts people in a much lower energetic state, where they cannot realize their full potential. Another powerful tool for keeping people down that many religions use is fear. I utterly reject any faith system that speaks of guilt and fear. I am genuinely interested in the books you mentioned on types and shadows. I know it may be hard for some to wrap their mind around, but even though I reject a faith system I have great respect for them and am fascinated by them and love learning. Is there a specific title I should look for? Its been a while since I studied that aspect and I've been through three moves. Can't remember any of the names off of the top of my head, I'll see if I can dig one out. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:28:13 AM EDT
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Um........no.
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:46:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hermes right? God now that I think about it, the amount of spiritual exploration of the late Stone Age to the Bronze Age all over the world is quite amazing, much is lost as well |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:53:59 AM EDT
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While I do not believe in angels or demons I do know that there is something here, but I think it is a human creation, it seems like it is existed since around the time the creation of Agriculture, it is a double edged sword, used by both heroes and villains, the intelligent, and those that use it most of all The ignorant. And what I am talking about is hope Hope It can be innocent, like doing rain dance in hopes of having water for the crops, or to use something more recent and terrifying, it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time it will work this time https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/killing-tree-killing-fields-cambodia-bracelets-choeung-ek-where-khmer-rouge-killed-small-children-beating-78586527.jpg It seems that it is so powerful that it has a mind of its own, so great yet so terrible as well. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 11:55:09 AM EDT
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Yup Hermes is what he was called by the Greeks, Mercury by the Romans, Thoth by the Egyptians. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 12:06:24 PM EDT
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That is a really interesting concept and it makes sense. In that context hope is like verbally setting an intention. This can be very powerful and I have done it many times. The spoken word can be more powerful than most know, and if you speak without doubt things will manifest. f
Eta, what they manifest into is the million-dollar question. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 12:45:23 PM EDT
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Um........no.
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Posted: 6/7/2018 12:47:52 PM EDT
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Its been a while since I studied that aspect and I've been through three moves. Can't remember any of the names off of the top of my head, I'll see if I can dig one out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have heard all this many times before and have one big issue with it. It establishes a strong guilt complex. Instilling guilt puts people in a much lower energetic state, where they cannot realize their full potential. Another powerful tool for keeping people down that many religions use is fear. I utterly reject any faith system that speaks of guilt and fear. I am genuinely interested in the books you mentioned on types and shadows. I know it may be hard for some to wrap their mind around, but even though I reject a faith system I have great respect for them and am fascinated by them and love learning. Is there a specific title I should look for? |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 3:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Read up on him a little bit just now, contemporary to Abraham? This guy is ancient, Stone Age Era stuff. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 4:06:13 PM EDT
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Yup a vast majority of what we know as the Hermetica is from tablets and inscriptions in Egypt dating back 6000 years. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 4:46:28 PM EDT
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Not only the burning of Alexandria but also the burning of the library of Baghdad and the looting of Constantinople. We have lost sooo much wisdom because the children of Abraham (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) have been threatened by it and decided to destroy it.
ETA: The fortunate thing about the Hermetica is it was the cornerstone of an ancient mystery school (the Masons are in this line), so it would have been defended and protected by initiates and most likely not in a library. But we undoubtedly lost wisdom in those events. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 4:51:37 PM EDT
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Do I have a question? No, I just felt the need to share it for some reason, don't really know why, like most of my threads actually
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Do you have a question or are you wanting comments on your beliefs?
@BlackRifle76 If I might ask, how familiar are you with the Bible and understanding the scriptures? I'm just really learning them myself, but I thought I knew more than it turns out I do for a loooong time. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 5:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting views, I don't agree with them but thanks for sharing. If I might ask, how familiar are you with the Bible and understanding the scriptures?
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Posted: 6/7/2018 5:04:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting views, I don't agree with them but thanks for sharing. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 5:43:20 PM EDT
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I applaud you for this, seriously. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/7/2018 7:36:35 PM EDT
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Why not Marine?
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Um........no.
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Posted: 6/8/2018 9:16:47 AM EDT
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I was too busy for the wall of text. Needed Cliff's notes. 
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Posted: 6/8/2018 9:18:59 AM EDT
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@OldArmy
Also as far as what I know of the scripture side, I only really know the Roman Catholic or Mormon point of view, I do not know much about Protestant, Quaker, or Lutheran for instance. |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 9:57:21 AM EDT
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@OldArmy Also as far as what I know of the scripture side, I only really know the Roman Catholic or Mormon point of view, I do not know much about Protestant, Quaker, or Lutheran for instance. |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 10:24:03 AM EDT
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Maybe you should try reading the Bible with the mind of a child. Free of preconceived ideas and religious dogma, while praying for guidance and discernment from the Holy Spirit. |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 11:38:38 AM EDT
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Maybe you should try reading the Bible with the mind of a child. Free of preconceived ideas and religious dogma, while praying for guidance and discernment from the Holy Spirit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@OldArmy Also as far as what I know of the scripture side, I only really know the Roman Catholic or Mormon point of view, I do not know much about Protestant, Quaker, or Lutheran for instance. Also, your reply seems strange to me since he said without preconceived ideas and religious dogma. |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 12:23:53 PM EDT
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Problem may be to strong a word, more like issue I suppose.
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Posted: 6/8/2018 12:35:10 PM EDT
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Problem may be to strong a word, more like issue I suppose. 
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Posted: 6/8/2018 12:57:21 PM EDT
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Okay well still on my phone at work but here's the quick version.
Maybe read Acts chapter 8 for more depth. Acts 8:30 (ESV) So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?" Acts 8:31 (ESV) 31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. That said, finding the person to help guide is critical. Personally I'm no fan of "preachers". I much prefer pastor's that teach the word. I recently finally found one. Stumbled into him more accurately. He will read a portion normally about a chapter of the Bible tends to go in order most of the time through a book. But then goes back and brakes it down explains his analysis and backs it up with other examples (in correct context I might add). Then maybe does a little preaching but mostly focuses on the teaching. IMOif you could find a pastor similar and perhaps speak with him about your issues with the Bible and God he might be able to offer clarification. The pastor I speak of is Presbyterian btw. |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 2:06:40 PM EDT
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RSR556, I want to make it clear I'm not saying your wrong in what you said, it's entirely possible that approach would be successful as well. I just don't think it's the best approach.
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Posted: 6/8/2018 2:59:22 PM EDT
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Okay well still on my phone at work but here's the quick version. Maybe read Acts chapter 8 for more depth. Acts 8:30 (ESV) So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?" Acts 8:31 (ESV) 31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. That said, finding the person to help guide is critical. Personally I'm no fan of "preachers". I much prefer pastor's that teach the word. I recently finally found one. Stumbled into him more accurately. He will read a portion normally about a chapter of the Bible tends to go in order most of the time through a book. But then goes back and brakes it down explains his analysis and backs it up with other examples (in correct context I might add). Then maybe does a little preaching but mostly focuses on the teaching. IMOif you could find a pastor similar and perhaps speak with him about your issues with the Bible and God he might be able to offer clarification. The pastor I speak of is Presbyterian btw. |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 4:28:16 PM EDT
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Okay well still on my phone at work but here's the quick version. Maybe read Acts chapter 8 for more depth. Acts 8:30 (ESV) So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?" Acts 8:31 (ESV) 31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. That said, finding the person to help guide is critical. Personally I'm no fan of "preachers". I much prefer pastor's that teach the word. I recently finally found one. Stumbled into him more accurately. He will read a portion normally about a chapter of the Bible tends to go in order most of the time through a book. But then goes back and brakes it down explains his analysis and backs it up with other examples (in correct context I might add). Then maybe does a little preaching but mostly focuses on the teaching. IMOif you could find a pastor similar and perhaps speak with him about your issues with the Bible and God he might be able to offer clarification. The pastor I speak of is Presbyterian btw. ETA: It is made harder still by the fabrications and willing and knowing miss translations in the Bible stemming from the middle ages. The letters of Paul are mostly fabrications, written by a man by the name of Marcion (he was declared a heretic for this in the 6th century, but latter canonized, we currently use the cannon he compiled). The most notable miss translation from the middle ages is in the first paragraph to John, "In the beginning there was the word, and the word was with God", in the older Greek and Aramaic texts it reads "in the beginning there was the word and the word was toward God". This was changed in the 8th century to distance the church from Gnostic belief. This passage supports the Gnostic idea that through knowledge we can attain oneness with God again. The word or knowledge quite literally moves you toward God. |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 6:09:01 PM EDT
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@dillonivik
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This is an extremely sound concept. With ANY religious or philosophical text we can start the process of understanding, but especially with religious texts there are so many layers of wisdom that you cannot get it all on your own. ETA: It is made harder still by the fabrications and willing and knowing miss translations in the Bible stemming from the middle ages. The letters of Paul are mostly fabrications, written by a man by the name of Marcion (he was declared a heretic for this in the 6th century, but latter canonized, we currently use the cannon he compiled). The most notable miss translation from the middle ages is in the first paragraph to John, "In the beginning there was the word, and the word was with God", in the older Greek and Aramaic texts it reads "in the beginning there was the word and the word was toward God". This was changed in the 8th century to distance the church from Gnostic belief. This passage supports the Gnostic idea that through knowledge we can attain oneness with God again. The word or knowledge quite literally moves you toward God. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Okay well still on my phone at work but here's the quick version. Maybe read Acts chapter 8 for more depth. Acts 8:30 (ESV) So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?" Acts 8:31 (ESV) 31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. That said, finding the person to help guide is critical. Personally I'm no fan of "preachers". I much prefer pastor's that teach the word. I recently finally found one. Stumbled into him more accurately. He will read a portion normally about a chapter of the Bible tends to go in order most of the time through a book. But then goes back and brakes it down explains his analysis and backs it up with other examples (in correct context I might add). Then maybe does a little preaching but mostly focuses on the teaching. IMOif you could find a pastor similar and perhaps speak with him about your issues with the Bible and God he might be able to offer clarification. The pastor I speak of is Presbyterian btw. ETA: It is made harder still by the fabrications and willing and knowing miss translations in the Bible stemming from the middle ages. The letters of Paul are mostly fabrications, written by a man by the name of Marcion (he was declared a heretic for this in the 6th century, but latter canonized, we currently use the cannon he compiled). The most notable miss translation from the middle ages is in the first paragraph to John, "In the beginning there was the word, and the word was with God", in the older Greek and Aramaic texts it reads "in the beginning there was the word and the word was toward God". This was changed in the 8th century to distance the church from Gnostic belief. This passage supports the Gnostic idea that through knowledge we can attain oneness with God again. The word or knowledge quite literally moves you toward God. |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 6:10:50 PM EDT
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This is an extremely sound concept. With ANY religious or philosophical text we can start the process of understanding, but especially with religious texts there are so many layers of wisdom that you cannot get it all on your own. ETA: It is made harder still by the fabrications and willing and knowing miss translations in the Bible stemming from the middle ages. The letters of Paul are mostly fabrications, written by a man by the name of Marcion (he was declared a heretic for this in the 6th century, but latter canonized, we currently use the cannon he compiled). The most notable miss translation from the middle ages is in the first paragraph to John, "In the beginning there was the word, and the word was with God", in the older Greek and Aramaic texts it reads "in the beginning there was the word and the word was toward God". This was changed in the 8th century to distance the church from Gnostic belief. This passage supports the Gnostic idea that through knowledge we can attain oneness with God again. The word or knowledge quite literally moves you toward God. |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 8:15:42 PM EDT
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@dillonivik Remember new Christian so I don't have everything memorized or anything. But are you talking about the 7 letters that were sent to the main 7 churches across Israel? |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 8:30:08 PM EDT
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Yeah those are the ones. I forget with ones exactly were altered so I would have to did a bit. Honestly when I studied I stuck to the gospels because of this. Christianity and Islam are lucky to be young enough to have most of it recorded by third parties, but Hindu? some parts of Zoroaster and Jewish texts? good luck, you will need it, does not help with the loss of some of the great libraries eta, you know another thing bothers me, what about before? i mean before most, before the Yellow Emperor or Liturgy to Nintud, writing has been around for 8 to 6 thousand years, what was lost? just read about the case of the Oracle Bones really depressing. Xu Yahui states: "No one can know how many oracle bones, prior to 1899, were ground up by traditional Chinese pharmacies and disappeared into peoples' stomachs." ... it pains me to think about it @dillonivik @OldArmy |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 8:49:59 PM EDT
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Yeah those are the ones. I forget with ones exactly were altered so I would have to did a bit. Honestly when I studied I stuck to the gospels because of this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@dillonivik Remember new Christian so I don't have everything memorized or anything. But are you talking about the 7 letters that were sent to the main 7 churches across Israel? |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 8:53:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can agree with that. I have read from people "that perhaps God shows themself in a form that we find most calming" For some people maybye it would be a big dog, for others maybe something that reminds them of their grandfather, or me, a mother, something I've never truly had.
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