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Posted: 4/8/2006 3:55:05 PM EDT
Ok,
So who do you think wins?


http://www.metacafe.com/watch/32081/porsche_vs_r1_vs_avion/
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 6:15:52 PM EDT
Can anyone make this linky hot?
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 7:52:18 PM EDT
just cut and paste it into your browser.

The bike took them off the line.....the Porsche ran past the bike and the jet......but the jet creamed them both in the end.
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 7:58:31 PM EDT
Car Vs. Bike Vs. Jet
There ya go
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 8:21:26 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 10:03:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/8/2006 10:09:27 PM EDT by Master_Blaster]
Depends on the distance. And on the type of bike, car, & plane involved.

Despite having lower power:weight ratios, cars are far better at putting power to the ground than bikes, which have extremely small tire surface contact area w/ the road. A GP bike was pitted against an F1 car in a drag a few years back, & the car walked away. Traction is the achilles heel of motorcycles, particularly in turns - the primary reason for the newer race tires having wider & taller profiles to increase rear tire contact surface area.

Both the car & bike should accelerate faster than a plane, which has to claw through the air to gain speed. Which of those 2 would win??? Seems like most sportbikes are mightier than most sportscars, but this is a Porsche.

Top speed is probably the reverse. Even helicoptors can go faster than the majority of road-bound vehicles.

ETA: Woot! Looks like the Porsche isn't in the same league as the R1.
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 10:05:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By realwar:
Can anyone make this linky hot?



is it that damn hard to cut and paste?? i swear you guys are damn lazy
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 10:55:45 PM EDT
Cut & pasting works fine but only Team Members can make links hot here.
I cut @ paste the original in my thread and it will not go hot
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:03:42 PM EDT
My god, how long was that runway? I don't know what kind of performance that Porsche has, but there are very, very few cars in the world that can pull away from a bike-even a 5 year old R1 like they used in the video.

Seriously, it would take several miles of perfectly straight road for a high end sportscar (Ferarri, Lamborghini etc.) to catch a modern sportbike. I guessing that the bike shut off with the point being proven... That R1 should do mid 170's for top end, and a very low 10 second quarter. No Porsche in the world should be able to catch him on a runway.....
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:17:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By realwar:
Cut & pasting works fine but only Team Members can make links hot here.
I cut @ paste the original in my thread and it will not go hot



You have not been on the internet long have you?
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:27:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By realwar:
Cut & pasting works fine but only Team Members can make links hot here.
I cut @ paste the original in my thread and it will not go hot





www.metacafe.com/watch/32081/porsche_vs_r1_vs_avion/
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:28:04 PM EDT
i'm not a team member and i was able to make it hot.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 7:57:44 AM EDT
I really don't buy the Porche beating the Yamadog like that. He must have passed him going at least 40mph faster than the bike was.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 8:36:28 AM EDT
It looks like the bike got so far ahead he gave up.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 9:28:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/11/2006 9:35:31 AM EDT by VoodooChile]

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
My god, how long was that runway? I don't know what kind of performance that Porsche has, but there are very, very few cars in the world that can pull away from a bike-even a 5 year old R1 like they used in the video.

Seriously, it would take several miles of perfectly straight road for a high end sportscar (Ferarri, Lamborghini etc.) to catch a modern sportbike. I guessing that the bike shut off with the point being proven... That R1 should do mid 170's for top end, and a very low 10 second quarter. No Porsche in the world should be able to catch him on a runway.....



Porsche GT does the quarter in low 11's but has a 200+mph top end..it would have hung with the bike well enough to overtake it at the top end
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 7:35:23 PM EDT
yeah, it's a fast car for sure-but still... On a runway? Don't think so..

I'd race him for pinks!
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 8:28:18 PM EDT
The airplane neeeds about a 5000' runway to get air borne.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 5:24:08 AM EDT
If that's the case the Porsche wouldn't catch the bike, not even taking into account that the bike was well short of the jet's 5000ft when it lifted off.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 6:26:10 AM EDT
Great Road and Track article on the standing mile...They include one bike...one F-18 Hornet.....and about a dozen Vette's, Vipers, Porsches, race cars etc...Only a few cars can beat a fast bike in the mile but the longer the course and the higher the speed, the easier it becomes for a car to win

www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=2572&page_number=1
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 6:31:22 AM EDT
Way to go, Maverick!!
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 9:19:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VoodooChile:
Great Road and Track article on the standing mile...They include one bike...one F-18 Hornet.....and about a dozen Vette's, Vipers, Porsches, race cars etc...Only a few cars can beat a fast bike in the mile but the longer the course and the higher the speed, the easier it becomes for a car to win

www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=2572&page_number=1



Need Hayabusa, pre 186 mph limit, or a ZX-14R....................... Or any number of lightly modded CBR1000RR's................. The cars are beating the bikes because of the higher top end, change it to faster bikes and the ending is different.

Record for a "street" Hayabusa is somethink like 242 mph.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 9:11:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By VoodooChile:
Great Road and Track article on the standing mile...They include one bike...one F-18 Hornet.....and about a dozen Vette's, Vipers, Porsches, race cars etc...Only a few cars can beat a fast bike in the mile but the longer the course and the higher the speed, the easier it becomes for a car to win

www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=2572&page_number=1



Sure, a 4 or 500hp car is going to have a big advantage in high end acceleration-motorcycles for all their swoopy bodywork are horribly dirty from an aerodynamic standpoint, and that doesn't help either. But you have to admit that the test was a little slanted... They used a 5 year old roadracing motorcycle that is down 30hp (a lot considering that the bike in the vid "only" makes about 135hp at the back wheel) compared to it's modern equivalent and 60hp down from a new ZX-14. Also, in 2001, it wasn't practice for the bike makers to electronically limit their bikes to 186mph. The test should have featured a road burner car vs. a road burner bike. An R1 isn't a road burner bike-they are fast as hell, but more meant for getting from one corner to the next in a hurry.

The test should have at least had a Hayabusa or ZX12. But it wouldn't have mattered, the bike only came in last because he shut off.

Might be fun to run a turbo'd Busa in a repeat..... Sure, it's not stock but it's hard to compare a 5 year old $6,000 bike to a $100K+ megacar and a jet. Turbo'd Busa's have broken 250mph in street legal form, and you could have 3 of them for the price of the Porsche.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 9:55:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:

Originally Posted By VoodooChile:
Great Road and Track article on the standing mile...They include one bike...one F-18 Hornet.....and about a dozen Vette's, Vipers, Porsches, race cars etc...Only a few cars can beat a fast bike in the mile but the longer the course and the higher the speed, the easier it becomes for a car to win

www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=2572&page_number=1



Sure, a 4 or 500hp car is going to have a big advantage in high end acceleration-motorcycles for all their swoopy bodywork are horribly dirty from an aerodynamic standpoint, and that doesn't help either. But you have to admit that the test was a little slanted... They used a 5 year old roadracing motorcycle that is down 30hp (a lot considering that the bike in the vid "only" makes about 135hp at the back wheel) compared to it's modern equivalent and 60hp down from a new ZX-14. Also, in 2001, it wasn't practice for the bike makers to electronically limit their bikes to 186mph. The test should have featured a road burner car vs. a road burner bike. An R1 isn't a road burner bike-they are fast as hell, but more meant for getting from one corner to the next in a hurry.

The test should have at least had a Hayabusa or ZX12. But it wouldn't have mattered, the bike only came in last because he shut off.

Might be fun to run a turbo'd Busa in a repeat..... Sure, it's not stock but it's hard to compare a 5 year old $6,000 bike to a $100K+ megacar and a jet. Turbo'd Busa's have broken 250mph in street legal form, and you could have 3 of them for the price of the Porsche.



Forget the R1 vid and see my earlier link...Everything's properly timed and the distances are defined..plus they use a 173hp bike..The bike actually does very well..only getting beat by a 1000hp Hennessey Viper and a few other superfast tuner/race cars...As for making excuses for the R1 you probably left out the biggest one of all...It would be hard to concentrate on making max velocity on a motorcycle with an afterburning fighter jet (and all the turbulence that goes with it) passing you just a few feet to your left.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 6:36:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VoodooChile:As for making excuses for the R1 you probably left out the biggest one of all...It would be hard to concentrate on making max velocity on a motorcycle with an afterburning fighter jet (and all the turbulence that goes with it) passing you just a few feet to your left.


Well, there's that... .. .

Doesn't sound like fun!
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