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Posted: 11/30/2005 10:01:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 1:34:42 AM EDT by WIgunnut]
*Updated and re-configured (again)*

I am in the process of building up a new PC basically for gaming. I have to keep a decent budget because I cant get everything all at once.
The components I have decided on so far are:
So after talking to my little brother and from what people are telling me I have changed my mind quite extensively.

Mid Tower 480 Watt Power Supply
4- External 5.25" Drive Bays
7- Expansion Slots


Gigabyte K8N Pro-SLI NVIDIA Socket 939 ATX Motherboard / Audio / PCI Express / Gigabit LAN / USB 2.0 / Serial ATA / RAID / SLI

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ / 1MB Cache / 2000MHz FSB / Socket 939 / Processor with Fan

CoolerMaster Hyper 48

eVGA GeForce 6800 GS 256MB PCI Express SLI Video Card

Kingston 1024MB PC3200 400MHz
Dual Channel Memory (2 x 512MB)
w/ Vantec Iceberq DDR Memory Copper Heatspreaders



Samsung Spinpoint 120GB SATA 7200rpm with Cooler

Plus a 5.25" Bay freezer 1-80mm Side fans and 120mm Rear

I already have a keyboard and mouse
Moniter may be next.


What do you guys think?
Im doing this because I already have ARs,AKs a 1911 ect....
Link Posted: 11/30/2005 10:06:06 AM EDT
I would highly recommend an AMD socket 939 motherboard and AMD processor of similar price as opposed to the Intel setup. An ASUS motherboard if possible.

Another thing I would recommend is a Serial ATA hard drive over the ATA-100. They aren't that much more expensive and you get much better performance. Just make sure the motherboard you get supports SATA.
Link Posted: 11/30/2005 10:25:34 AM EDT
Thanks Zig
HD Option changed for the better
Link Posted: 11/30/2005 10:28:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/30/2005 10:36:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/30/2005 1:12:35 PM EDT by WIgunnut]
I have considered going with AMD but Im getting a pretty good price on this package

Although I will go through and look at AMD options in the same price range.
Link Posted: 11/30/2005 11:00:33 AM EDT
See and thats why I posted this here the P4 3GHz Processor In the original post only has 533MHz FSB
I am keeping the MoBo though
Link Posted: 11/30/2005 11:36:33 AM EDT
I would change two thing in my opinion. I would get a board other than the intel board. asus, msi, or machspeed. and then change the harddrive back to seagate. JMO
Link Posted: 11/30/2005 12:04:46 PM EDT
If your not an overclocking freak Intel boards are very stable and full of features and not to expensive. (In part because they don't build them to be stable when running outof spec)
Link Posted: 11/30/2005 1:13:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/30/2005 6:58:56 PM EDT by WIgunnut]
Im stickin with the Intel board.
Nevermind about that one.
Asus gave me more options and I love having options

Hopefully I can get it all together soon Im suppose to use some vacation time
Link Posted: 11/30/2005 6:22:35 PM EDT
Compare the Geforce 6800GS to the 6600GT, you should be able to find a 6800GS for maybe 15-20 bucks more if that. The 6800GS has higher clock speeds on everything from the core, to the RAM, to the GPU compared to the 6600GT. The 6800GS is just barely a notch down from a 6800GT but it's 75-85 dollars cheaper.


It's the card that I decided to go with for the build up of my new PC that is gonna get assembled this friday.
Link Posted: 11/30/2005 6:58:03 PM EDT
Thanks for the info on the 6800GS. It is about $100 more than the eVGA GeForce 6600 I am getting, and I do need to stay within a reasonable budget.
Besides I will have the SLI option aswell.
Link Posted: 12/1/2005 3:02:36 PM EDT
Will I need a RAID or ATA PCI controller card?

Link Posted: 12/1/2005 3:18:25 PM EDT
the motherboard will come with 2 ata controlers. each controler can control 2 devices each. so a maximum of 2 hd 2 cdrom's. it will probably have Sata too. so you should be able to add at least 2 Sata devices.

you don't need a raid controler unless your gonna setup a raid.

like i said the motherboard will have 2 ata controlers built on
Link Posted: 12/1/2005 3:36:35 PM EDT
Sounds like you will have a great system.

Here's mine
Superflower case with Asus mobo K8NE-Delux
3x8cm+1X10cm fans controled through front panel
1xPATA 60GB HDD 2X160GB SATA HDD
1.5 GB Ram
64 AMD 3000+ processor
Cheapo X4 AGP (soon to be updated)
DVD Rom + DVDRW+-dual layer
External USB 160GB HDD
printer/scanner/flat screen etc

Works a treat...and so much satisfaction getting a home built pc to work with stability.

Taffy



Link Posted: 12/1/2005 3:37:30 PM EDT
Western Digital HD's are teh Crap!

Do a seach to read all the bad press on them. Get a Seagate instead.


Link Posted: 12/1/2005 4:05:03 PM EDT
I will reconsider the Seagate HD option.

Im pretty new to building a PC...I have experience in replacing PC133 memory
That being said .....

I know Ill need some cables Serial ATA Flat or Rounded IDE/EIDE right?
Chances are Ill be running across town a couple times to get this and that but would really like to keep driving across town at a minimum..If you get the hint

Thank you everyone for the help and suggestions so far..I really appreciate it.

Link Posted: 12/1/2005 4:19:31 PM EDT
When I bought my ASUS, it came with a couple IDE cables and like 6 SATA cables. I did buy rounded IDE cables instead though.

Anyhow, check what your MB comes with, you may not even need to buy cables.

Make sure the fan you are getting comse with thermal grease. If not, buy some. You must put thermal grease on your processor before you attach the heatsink/fan. Otherwise, you will have one toasty CPU.
Link Posted: 12/1/2005 4:46:40 PM EDT
Round IDE cables are much better for an unclutterd pc and is much better for cooling air to circulate.
When using SATA HDD remember to connect them to the correct Mobo headers. The red connectors are normaly the RAID (redundant array/multiple HDD's in a specific configuration) connectors and if you are only connecting one SATA HDD use the black Mobo headers.

Otherwise this can cause crashes.
Most Processor/heatsink packages come with thermal grease already applied ...but you may want to check if you are uncertain.

Taffy
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 9:03:53 PM EDT
Thanks Taffy.....great info Ill be sure to use.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 9:53:31 PM EDT
If this is all new system, go stright for full SATA setup. As mentioned the cables are much thinner (and it is not a hack either ) but SATA cables are (well, can be without breaking spec) twice as along as older ATA cables.

Plus SATA is cool, just 'cause...

Also as mentioned, get an AMD. Might be a bit easier on the cooling side of things and are (i think) cheaper and faster.*

One opinion



*Not trying to be a fan boy, but they are a good choice if you are not a Colt Intel diehard.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 11:05:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By xanadu:
Western Digital HD's are teh Crap!

Do a seach to read all the bad press on them. Get a Seagate instead.



+1, I'd avoid Western Digital....when I fixed desktops, nearly every time I had to replace a bad HDD it was a WD. Didn't replace too many Seagates.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 11:18:03 AM EDT
In addition to recommending Seagate for a HDD, I'd definately spring for something bigger than 80G.
Link Posted: 12/4/2005 9:29:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By xanadu:
Western Digital HD's are teh Crap!

Do a seach to read all the bad press on them. Get a Seagate instead.




Own atleast 9 WD's right now... probably owned atleast 20 in the last 5 years.. never had a single one crap on me.
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 9:13:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2005 9:16:14 AM EDT by eagle308us]

Originally Posted By WIgunnut:
I will reconsider the Seagate HD option.




IM me when you start looking. Working at Seagate I can get hard drives at a good price, if they have them in stock at the time.

Pretty much goes for anyone. I can get a limited number per year, but I can get them for 'friends'. Little do they know.
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 9:37:41 AM EDT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129156

I recommend this case; I have the model from last year and it is smokin. It includes a 350 watt power supply which some say is not enough, but it totally is. ANTEC power supplies are legendary. Built like a tank. Cools really well and should save you a few bucks.

Also--spring for the WD Raptor 10k rpm drive for gaming. Then put a cheap SATA 120gb 7200 (like $80) in there from best buy when you run out of room. I use the raptor for games and the cheap 120 for storage.

Ram looks good, if you plan to overclock it. If you don't, then you can go with PC3200. You can still bump that up a little, too. Use the money you save on the better case and HD.

Also--get the 256mb 6800 GT if you can. It's not that much more. Plus, later on you can get another to use in SLI, in a couple years the price for another will be like $150, and you'll be playing every new game for another five years.
Link Posted: 12/5/2005 8:17:51 PM EDT
Looks like Ive changed my mind. AMD seems to be the way to go
eagle308us thanks for the offer, I just might have to take you up on that.
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 2:54:32 AM EDT
if all you have experience in changinmg is the ram stand by for a long night of cursing and such. i do hardware work for a living and it still took me 4 hours to put all the cool little pieces together.
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 7:53:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By treemydawg:
if all you have experience in changinmg is the ram stand by for a long night of cursing and such. i do hardware work for a living and it still took me 4 hours to put all the cool little pieces together.



Four hours? I'm hoping that included the install of the OS :)

-d
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 8:21:16 AM EDT
yes it does
Link Posted: 12/9/2005 8:38:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/9/2005 8:45:36 PM EDT by WIgunnut]
Today I went to the local computer guy and grabbed a few things:

Black and Grey Mid-Tower
500+ Watt Power Supply
Sony DVD ROM
Sony DVD R/RW
I mounted all the items purchased, now its off to the expensive stuff.


Ok,...... so forgive my endless quest for knowledge but I have decided on a MoBo.

The DFI NF4 SLI Infinity NVIDIA Socket 939 ATX Motherboard / Audio / PCI Express / Gigabit LAN / USB 2.0 & Firewire / Serial ATA / RAID / SLI


The diagram shows it has 4 Serial ATA Headers(Serial ATA 3.0Gb/s Headers), but in detailed specs it states IDE Hard Drive Types being ATA/133..I plan on using 2 Hard drives. One being a smaller 60-80GB with 7200rpm for games and another 80GB+ and 5400rpm's just for the OS and Storage.
My question being; What Hard Drives should I be looking for? IDE? SATA 100/133/150? ATA? and what is the most practical way to hook them up so they run at their highest performance?

Yes I know its a pretty loaded question but you guys have been so much help already.
Link Posted: 12/10/2005 8:12:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2005 8:12:57 AM EDT by dizza]

Originally Posted By WIgunnut:
The diagram shows it has 4 Serial ATA Headers(Serial ATA 3.0Gb/s Headers), but in detailed specs it states IDE Hard Drive Types being ATA/133..I plan on using 2 Hard drives. One being a smaller 60-80GB with 7200rpm for games and another 80GB+ and 5400rpm's just for the OS and Storage.
My question being; What Hard Drives should I be looking for? IDE? SATA 100/133/150? ATA? and what is the most practical way to hook them up so they run at their highest performance?



If you can afford the SATA drives, get those. They generally have a faster throughput than the IDE drives. I wouldn't get any drive that is 5400rpm... waste of time and money. (don't think they even make those still!) Get 7200 or higher. If you find good deals on IDE drives, they are just fine, just get ones that are ATA 100 or ATA 133. They will give you the best throughput. Not sure if that helps any, but there it is.

-d
Link Posted: 12/10/2005 9:13:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WIgunnut:
500+ Watt Power Supply
Sony DVD ROM
Sony DVD R/RW



I was about to post about getting a higher wattage PS(the originally listed 400 sounded a tad low) but figured I better read through the whole thread first

but I wouldn't go with sony drives
Link Posted: 12/10/2005 1:54:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/10/2005 6:23:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sharky30:

Originally Posted By WIgunnut:
500+ Watt Power Supply
Sony DVD ROM
Sony DVD R/RW



I was about to post about getting a higher wattage PS(the originally listed 400 sounded a tad low) but figured I better read through the whole thread first

but I wouldn't go with sony drives



Originally it was suppose to be a 400 Watt PSU until I stopped in to the local guy and he was out of them. So I went with the 500 watt. Ill have to take a look at it concerning the 24 pin.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 1:56:20 PM EDT
Huge changes happening.

Just sent the MO out for the Processor and Video card otherwise everything else is waiting in the backroom.
Thanks for all the ideas and comments I should be playing BF2 by Christmas
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 8:47:46 PM EDT
The DFI boards are some of the best for overclocking, but not very nOOB friendly. Check out DFI-street http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/ for info on how to set your board up. Sometimes you have to set the timing on the memory manually or it won't run stably at all. Sounds like you are going to have one awesome system once you get it all together!
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 12:46:03 PM EDT
I actually went with the Gigabyte SLI PRO MoBo instead of the DFI Infinity that I originally wanted.
I was hoping id be up and running by Christmas, but Im not too sure. Maybe it would be better if it was after Christmas, that way I can use some of my vacation time to play with my new toy.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:52:43 AM EDT
Tag for an update.

cause I will be building one soon.............................[should be interesting]

pg
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 1:33:25 AM EDT
Just finished putting it together after new years, Final set-up is:

Mid Tower 480 Watt Power Supply
4- External 5.25" Drive Bays
7- Expansion Slots

Gigabyte K8N Pro-SLI NVIDIA Socket 939 ATX Motherboard / Audio / PCI Express / Gigabit LAN / USB 2.0 / Serial ATA / RAID / SLI

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ / 1MB Cache / 2000MHz FSB / Socket 939 / Processor with Fan

CoolerMaster Hyper 48

eVGA GeForce 6800 GS 256MB PCI Express SLI Video Card

Kingston 1024MB PC3200 400MHz
Dual Channel Memory (2 x 512MB)
w/ Vantec Iceberq DDR Memory Copper Heatspreaders

Samsung Spinpoint 160GB SATA 7200rpm with Cooler

Plus a 5.25" Bay freezer 1-80mm Side fans and 120mm Rear

It has been running great and is very quick!!
Kinda nice to know I can go out and get any new game and it will run.
With the exeption of BF2 Special Forces which wont install due to some BF2.exe issue. But thats another thread.
Im very happy with it all.
The processor runs at 29-30 Celcius at idle and runs up too 36 Celcius when running full bore playing Battlefield 2.
2211.33mhz Non-OC'd

Link Posted: 1/8/2006 9:47:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WIgunnut:
Just finished putting it together after new years, Final set-up is:

Mid Tower 480 Watt Power Supply
4- External 5.25" Drive Bays
7- Expansion Slots

Gigabyte K8N Pro-SLI NVIDIA Socket 939 ATX Motherboard / Audio / PCI Express / Gigabit LAN / USB 2.0 / Serial ATA / RAID / SLI

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ / 1MB Cache / 2000MHz FSB / Socket 939 / Processor with Fan

CoolerMaster Hyper 48

eVGA GeForce 6800 GS 256MB PCI Express SLI Video Card

Kingston 1024MB PC3200 400MHz
Dual Channel Memory (2 x 512MB)
w/ Vantec Iceberq DDR Memory Copper Heatspreaders

Samsung Spinpoint 160GB SATA 7200rpm with Cooler

Plus a 5.25" Bay freezer 1-80mm Side fans and 120mm Rear

It has been running great and is very quick!!
Kinda nice to know I can go out and get any new game and it will run.
With the exeption of BF2 Special Forces which wont install due to some BF2.exe issue. But thats another thread.
Im very happy with it all.
The processor runs at 29-30 Celcius at idle and runs up too 36 Celcius when running full bore playing Battlefield 2.
2211.33mhz Non-OC'd




What's your issue?

If it hangs at splash screen uninstalled the Nvidia IDE drivers, and install the generic Windows drivers. Fixed my problems on two separate systems.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 2:05:54 PM EDT
Turns out the BF2 SF issue was how I was installing it.
First had to uninstall the partially installed BF2 SF and the complete BF2 and update.
Reinstall BF2 then BF2 SF THEN the Updated patch....Works now and I have all the SF badges
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 8:50:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WIgunnut:
Turns out the BF2 SF issue was how I was installing it.
First had to uninstall the partially installed BF2 SF and the complete BF2 and update.
Reinstall BF2 then BF2 SF THEN the Updated patch....Works now and I have all the SF badges



What core is that 3700+ I currently have my 3200+ Venice running at 2.8 ghz

According to Sisoftware Sandra it beats the FX-55 and is right there with the FX-57 in terms of performance.

This is all on stock cooler too.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 6:39:08 AM EDT
3700+ should be the San Diego core, though I think there is a Clawhammer as well.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 9:26:47 PM EDT
AMD 64 3700+ is San Diego Core, Socket 939 and 2.2Mhz

Im pretty happy with all of it
Link Posted: 1/26/2006 3:09:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WIgunnut:
AMD 64 3700+ is San Diego Core, Socket 939 and 2.2Mhz

Im pretty happy with all of it



Only 2.2 Mhz? I think my calculator has a faster processor!

Just kidding, I knew what you meant.
Link Posted: 1/26/2006 8:04:24 PM EDT
I havent ventured into the OC'ing realm as of yet. Eventually I will
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