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Posted: 10/4/2017 11:17:55 PM EDT

I am taking a class on Photoshop element. The instructor said tonight. That Photoshop is greedy. When you open a photo in photo shop it is removed from your photo library and placed in Photoshop and then can only be opened or seen in Photoshop. Is this true? She also said taking images in the raw format were a waste of time and computer storage space.

Posted: 10/4/2017 11:38:02 PM EDT

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The instructor said tonight. That Photoshop is greedy. When you open a photo in photo shop it is removed from your photo library and placed in Photoshop and then can only be opened or seen in Photoshop. Is this true?

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No.

She also said taking images in the raw format were a waste of time and computer storage space.

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She is wrong. jpeg files have their place, but for maximum editing capabilities, Raw is the way to go. So what you are going to do with the images, is how you determine which file format to use.

Posted: 10/5/2017 3:48:25 AM EDT

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Kekoa nailed it.

Now I think there is an option for Elements to have it manage your photo library, but you have to set that up. Kind of like how you can build a library of photos and categorize them in Lightroom. If you want to do any significant editing or tweaking RAW is 100% the way to go. The file name changes from camera to camera (Nikon is .nef for example) but it is literally the raw image file with all the sensor data. So you can sit there and tweak things without potentially ruining the image. .jpg on the other hand is just a snapshot of the surface data when the photo is taken, so you have way way less to work with.

Btw, they just released Elements 18 in case that is useful to you. Personally I just get the Creative Cloud subscription, but I use a lot of features that (to my knowledge) aren't in Elements.

Posted: 10/5/2017 4:56:33 AM EDT

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You should probably abandon that class. The instructor is giving you not only wrong information, but basically opposite of good advice.

Posted: 10/5/2017 10:11:26 AM EDT

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The class is a 6 hour course at the tech school since I am over 62 it was only $25. Since I have never played with any thing like Photoshop elements I figured take a lot of pics now and when the snow flies I will play in side. Besides WINTER IS COMING.
She also warned us about Photoshop Organizer saying if you use it to much, it will set it self up as your default camera download program and not allow you to download your pics on anything but Photoshop Organizer.

She seemed to know how Photoshop Element worked and was doing a good job of showing how to get started. This was part 1 I do not think I will be taking part 2 until after I have played with it for a while.

Posted: 10/5/2017 11:07:26 AM EDT

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She also warned us about Photoshop Organizer saying if you use it to much, it will set it self up as your default camera download program and not allow you to download your pics on anything but Photoshop Organizer.

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She also warned us about Photoshop Organizer saying if you use it to much, it will set it self up as your default camera download program and not allow you to download your pics on anything but Photoshop Organizer.

There may be some truth to this, but I don't know for sure as I don't use Photoshop Elements, or Photoshop Organizer (I've been using the full version of Photoshop for 10+ years). But even if it does automatically do something like that, you should be able to reconfigure the program to work anyway you want. So you are not "stuck" with just one option.

She seemed to know how Photoshop Element worked and was doing a good job of showing how to get started. This was part 1 I do not think I will be taking part 2 until after I have played with it for a while.

I might be tempted to stick it out, and you can probably learn a few things about the basics of Photoshop. But the Photoshop programs are extremely versatile, and can be configured in more ways than I'll ever be able to figure out. So take anything she says with a grain of salt, because there are probably a dozen ways to accomplish any one task in Photoshop, and there is no real "right or wrong" way of doing things. Mostly, just experiment and have fun with it.

Posted: 10/5/2017 3:38:07 PM EDT

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I use Lightroom for organizing and for 95% of "developing". Several years before I bought Photoshop 6, I used the then current version of Elements. For the little that I used it, it worked fine. When I began to work with infrared, I needed to be able to channel swap, which Elements did not have. There was/is a person who developed a plugin for Elements for a nominal cost which "awakens" features in the program that Adobe turns off in Elements, such as the channel swap.

I have a relatively small number of images, about 20,000. If one diligently uses keywords, LR is all of the organizing one likely will need and keywords make it much easier to find an image. Lightroom adjustments are non-destructive, meaning it leaves the original untouched. It works seamlessly with PS or Elements if needed for what LR cannot do and adds the retouched image back to he Lightroom database.

Posted: 10/5/2017 8:09:07 PM EDT

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Abandon ship. Your instructor is worthless.

Posted: 10/5/2017 9:21:17 PM EDT

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I am taking a class on Photoshop element. The instructor said tonight. That Photoshop is greedy. When you open a photo in photo shop it is removed from your photo library and placed in Photoshop and then can only be opened or seen in Photoshop. Is this true? She also said taking images in the raw format were a waste of time and computer storage space.

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Lol. I'd be asking for a refund of my tuition and dropping that class.

Posted: 10/6/2017 7:16:22 PM EDT

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Abandon ship. Your instructor is worthless.

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Yep.

Posted: 10/11/2017 12:58:43 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/11/2017 4:21:36 PM EDT

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she did say one thing I am thinking about doing. She said to start a folder every year with sub folders for each month. Then at the end of the year copy the folder to a memory stick stow that away as your back up. She added that backing up to a separate hard drive is not needed. At first I thought she hated the cloud then that changed.
I like the folder idea the rest not at all.

Posted: 10/11/2017 5:01:41 PM EDT

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she did say one thing I am thinking about doing. She said to start a folder every year with sub folders for each month. Then at the end of the year copy the folder to a memory stick stow that away as your back up. She added that backing up to a separate hard drive is not needed. At first I thought she hated the cloud then that changed.
I like the folder idea the rest not at all.

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That might work if your computer is kind enough not to go belly up until after the end of the year and you have backed up to a usb device. There are various ways to properly back up, once a year not being one. Hard drives are pretty cheap, and a couple can be part of a good backup strategy.....if regularly used.

Posted: 10/11/2017 6:39:02 PM EDT

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That might work if your computer is kind enough not to go belly up until after the end of the year and you have backed up to a usb device. There are various ways to properly back up, once a year not being one. Hard drives are pretty cheap, and a couple can be part of a good backup strategy.....if regularly used.

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Yep, the instructor is just a treasure trove of bad advice. Sorry man.

Posted: 10/11/2017 6:43:47 PM EDT

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You should probably abandon that class. The instructor is giving you not only wrong information, but basically opposite of good advice.

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Agreed. Bail out now.

Posted: 10/11/2017 6:55:14 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:31:28 AM EDT

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The first hr of class tonight was a bust. The teacher said to bring in some pics to work on. Not a problem . We get there and she starts off with bring up your picture of some one with glare on their glasses. WTF nothing was said about that type of pic. She then hands out some papers telling how to get the glare out based on Photoshop from 8 yrs. ago.
She says the buttons on the handout are close enough to the ones used today so we should not have any problems. The rest of the class was done on layers. The last 20 minutes was on adding text to pics. Her parting comments were she hopes everyone signed up for part 2 starting next week. We will spend the first 2 hours a on adding text to pics. Remember jpg is better than raw.

Posted: 10/12/2017 1:45:57 AM EDT

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Teacher has been confirmed to be an unrepentant moron.

Please exit the class immediately.

Posted: 10/12/2017 2:17:10 AM EDT

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The class was only $25 and 2 nights. I will not be going to her part 2 class.

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