Originally Posted By Harlikwin:


Well DirkericPitt, I was just playing DCS, and the server I was on ate shit twice while I was playing, once while I was landing, and once in the middle of the dogfight. Both resulted in my rather untimely death. So, did I have fun? Yes! I did until that happened, then it sucked dick! And it wasn't really all that random of an occurrence, it happens a lot more these days because ED fucked the netcode, yet again, and its been like this for ~4 months. And no, I can't go back to stable, which also hasn't been updated in 4 months, because none of the MP servers that are worth a damn run it. And no its not my system, or the server hardware its the dogshit "quality" code that ED insists on foisting on us, month after month, excuse after lame excuse.

Actually the whole supacarria episode is at least a blessing as far as I can determine because it seems like they tried to fix the 5+ year long problem of desynch on the carriers, which of course results in hilarious MP bloodbaths when more than a few people spawn on the existing supacarria(s) and then one of them with a not perfect ping time proceeds to rubber band into every one else killing them all in glorius HD detail. Its quite glorious and amusing watching it all, hoggit guys LOVE IT. And from the sound of the posts from ED, it seems like this basic issue, that I can't even call 0 day, maybe like they knew this would have to been fixed from day 0 when they announced it? But, it still hasn't been fixed while ED has tripled the spawn points. Oh wait, they only realized it when testing this 3 days before release... And apparently the netcode for that version pretty much destroys MP, regardless if the supacarria is installed or not. Which is why they shitcanned the whole deal for the time being. Because even as stupid as ED is, they realized the fucking 30%+ of their most dedicated fan base maybe wasn't in their best interest. Now the question I can't actually answer is "Why the fuck, did ED not see fixing the netcode as the literal top priority for this module 2 years ago when they fucking started?" and really I have no answers, only more questions on that score.

On the plus side most major MP server have just given up on having carriers at all. Which is a bit of a bummer due to the "naval aviation" focus that DCS and 3rd parties decided to pursue. Never mind that the HB Forrestal carrier has most likely been derailed because ED told them no, it would make us look bad if you released a working carrier and we can't.

Maybe they are geniuses though, and to distract from the whole supacarria fiasco, which was preceded by the 2.5.6. fiasco, and prior to that by the Viper release fiasco, they now have decided to announce that in contradiction to their January announcement that the F18/16 would be done and out of EA by years end, that whoops just kidding, what we really mean was that we will declare victory and just say that they are done and out of EA with 50% of their systems and functionality missing for the F18. And the F16, well fuck that, its on the back burner.

So glad YOU had fun my man... Lots of folks aren't, and even more are increasing tired of the ED bullshit dance for multiple products that they paid for YEARS ago.

Originally Posted By Keekleberrys:
i think its my depth perception thats throwing me off. im having difficulty judging the lateral distance.

Originally Posted By GilenusX207:


“Do not worry, comrade, half of team working on core updates.  We changing Nixie tubes out of netcode, two more weeks. All is subject to change.”


They’re badly overextended.

Originally Posted By DirkericPitt:
Well,  if alot if people arent having fun,  why are they playing?  Its a game,  a product, no one is making anyone play.

The real problem is that nobody has developed a game with all the capabilities of dcs.  Because its hard,  expensive, and very time consuming.  When someone can do better than dcs,  they will.  Until then,  play what exists,  or dont.

Originally Posted By DirkericPitt:
Well,  if alot if people arent having fun,  why are they playing?  Its a game,  a product, no one is making anyone play.

The real problem is that nobody has developed a game with all the capabilities of dcs.  Because its hard,  expensive, and very time consuming.  When someone can do better than dcs,  they will.  Until then,  play what exists,  or dont.

Originally Posted By Harlikwin:


My main point of concern is that currently DCS is going backwards in terms of that gameplay. Frame rates are shot to hell since 2.5.6, MP code got all fubared, AND they totally hosed the content creators by changing a bunch of stuff with how external tools like MOOSE, SRS, and others hook into the game and once again broke a bunch of missions and campaigns. Honestly I was fairly content with the ED portion of DCS like 6 months ago, MP worked, VR frames were "ok" but not great. And really at this point, I worry the next big "fix" or "upgrade" is gonna further tank VR which is currently barely playable for me, and unplayable for others or the netcode. The slow progress on existing modules while still releasing new ones is annoying but for me mostly tolerable since I just fly whatever is more complete for me. Which at this point is largely the Jeff and Tomcat, once in a while I pop in to see whats new on the Hornet and Viper, and then go back to planes that are more done.

On your second point. I agree that they are aiming high, but they are also stumbling and falling on their faces alot. The uncomfortable reality for ED is that in terms of a single player experience Falcon BMS has been the better and more realistic game for nearly 2 decades now which is why they ban any mention of it on their forums. BMS still has a far better single player dynamic campaign, which can also be used in MP. The overall environment is way better, the planes it has are better modeled IMO, especially the vipers. And the dynamic weather and clouds look great. Plane AI and IADS are done better etc. Smart scaling makes dogfights much more "realistic" since you can actually spot planes and judge plane aspect like you would in real life. And all of this on a "leaked" code base from the 90's that has been "upgraded" by a team of volunteers working for free. It really baffles me that ED doesn't just "borrow" some of the code and ideas from falcon, the code base is out there.

Unfortunately 3 things BMS lacks however really sorta kill it for a lot of people. Dated graphics, especially the ground. No VR (this is what finally killed it for me, and I spent days trying to "hack" VR to work in it) and their front end UI is terrible for setting peripherals, plus a non-easy install. That and the plane set is fairly limited outside of vipers at this point. It still does have a decently dedicated hardcore fan base though so I'm hopeful that they upgrade their GFX engine to include VR support and improve the terrain and UI.

Originally Posted By DirkericPitt:


I mean if things were better,  go back to an install 6 mos ago,  or (i know i know) play stable.  Obviously hard since alot of the servers are on beta,  but thats not EDs fault,  maybe they should make a closed alpha,  but then beta would just turn into stable waiting forever for them to fix things.  also not thier fault that 3rd party unsupported things break.  I mean it would be impossible to change anything if they made sure every mod and add on worked on beta.

Right,  bms is great, except all the things dcs does better.  I mean if you had a few million dollars and a hundred programers you could probably get bms to where dcs is.

Originally Posted By Sixpack595:

I'm still having fun and really love the game.  Of course I don't get too bent out of shape if things get broken for a day or two, I juse play some IL2 or something.  I can see if it was my primary time sink or was part of a regularly scheduled group.  But that doesn't apply to me, so I'm probably more forgiving.  I think that's how most people view it outside of a very vocal minority.

Originally Posted By Harlikwin:


I love the game which is why I am vocal about it, and ED IMO has really just shafted a good chunk of the community lately. The problem is that is not been broken for a day or two, at best its 2 weeks since that's the new normal for updates. And its been half broken for months since they released 2.5.6. It used to be, that yup it broke a single plane or two, for a week or two at worst, not anymore, the updates have become less frequent and worse in terms of new bugs. And instead of getting better with each "major" .x update its getting worse, that's the issue. When they introduced VR years back, it ran at 90fps pretty solidly. Then deffered shading came out, and boom, most guys were lucky to get 45 (Which looks like shit in VR because that's the frame rates where motion smoothing kicks in and you get ghosting and artifacts). Then it kinda cobbled along, till 2.5.6 where it dropped yet again and the low end guys can't even run it in VR, and even us high end guys had to turn things down yet again to get playable frame rates (on a 2080ti FYI). And its not like desynch or the carrier issues haven't been known for literally years. IDK maybe they just don't have the talent to fix the netcode, but plenty of online twitch shooters have figured out how to. And its honestly a simpler problem for ED, since most of the twitch games have to deal with much finer time incrementation and motion tracking. ED can't figure out how to put 3 planes in a row on a carrier online without them rubber banding into each other killing everyone. At this point I really doubt that the SC will ever be a thing for online players unfortunately. I mean having half a dozen guys taxing around is probably too hard of a problem for ED to solve.

I mean I play IL2 and its great in VR. Its just that WW2 fighters aren't really my thing, and overall the level of detail isn't really there for IL2, they are kinda sim-lite IMO. But they definitely have VR and the graphical portion of the game figured out better than ED IMO. BMS OTHOH has the hardcore jet sim down pretty well, but graphics are somewhat dated and no VR support, supposedly its coming, but who knows when.

Originally Posted By Shung:
We made a sortie on the blue flag 80s last night and the netcode made it unplayable. Warps, freezes. Got me killed.


On the other end, we then went on the Cold War 70s with Tigers II’s and after flying for 30min looking for bandits, we found 2 mig21s. We shot them both down, and Rtb’ed

I highly suggest this server for the time being. Back to the basics. Eyeball mk1 and and man’s plane !

Originally Posted By GilenusX207:
On a lighter note, I found my new preferred way of killing enemy armor...

Get their SAMs to fire at you, then dive for the deck, guiding the missile into the vehicle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/114418/sa2kill_PNG-1386904.JPG

Originally Posted By RichieRich3902:
I still hate the Eagle in the A2A guns server. I know it’s a beast but it flies like it’s AI.

Originally Posted By cone256:


What other 4th Gen Red Air could they make?  MiG-29 and SU-27/33 are already in the game.  There isn't much else out there, everything else Red is 3rd gen

Originally Posted By RichieRich3902:


That and ED has said many times the Ruskies won’t license anything more than what we already have.

Originally Posted By cone256:


What other 4th Gen Red Air could they make?  MiG-29 and SU-27/33 are already in the game.  There isn't much else out there, everything else Red is 3rd gen

Originally Posted By Keekleberrys:
havent done any a2g in the hornet in a while, asiding from lasing the targeting pod is pretty nice for use with auto bombing with regular bombs or picking out targets that are hard to see on your second go around and you want to strafe them but have lost track of their location.

Originally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom:
Once you move away from FC3 planes you never want to go back. We need full fidelity red gen 4 planes. Su30/35 would be nice. I won't hold my breath.

Originally Posted By GilenusX207:
On a lighter note, I found my new preferred way of killing enemy armor...

Get their SAMs to fire at you, then dive for the deck, guiding the missile into the vehicle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/114418/sa2kill_PNG-1386904.JPG

Originally Posted By RichieRich3902:
Fairly certain the hornet TPod is arcade mode. Like you said it can track a long way out and the gimble stays locked even with hard maneuvering.

Originally Posted By Harlikwin:


Well going back on that statement would indeed be "Mind blowing".

Personally I think Chiz took a shit in the wrong coffee cup at some point which is why "its complicated", because they certainly have ins at Mil and Kamov. That and ED thinks it wont sell as well as blue.

Originally Posted By GilenusX207:



The sales argument baffles me.

We have F-86 and MiG-15.  Never a word about poor sales of the MiG.

We have F-5, Viggen, Mig-19, and MiG-21.  Never seen anything from Raz or Mag3 about poor sales.

As long as they make a variant contemporary with the modern bluefor aircraft, that argument holds no water.

Originally Posted By GilenusX207:


The sales argument baffles me.

We have F-86 and MiG-15.  Never a word about poor sales of the MiG.

We have F-5, Viggen, Mig-19, and MiG-21.  Never seen anything from Raz or Mag3 about poor sales.

As long as they make a variant contemporary with the modern bluefor aircraft, that argument holds no water.

Originally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom:
I agree if ED does any bit of the slightest market research into their targeted consumers they would see everyone wants a full fidelity Russkie Gen4.

Originally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom:
I agree if ED does any bit of the slightest market research into their targeted consumers they would see everyone wants a full fidelity Russkie Gen4.

Originally Posted By tarheel7734:

They have said time after time after time they can not do a modern Russian aircraft due to the Russian government and licenses and restrictions. They did say a 3rd party could do it if they wanted but ED themselves can not do this.

Originally Posted By StealthGuy:
DCS definitely needs some full fidelity modern MIGs and Sukhois. I not even really interested in red air planes and I’d buy them as long as they’re quality.

Then they can work on my more modern DCS level F-15C with JHMCS, 9X, and Link-16. And a early block 2 F model Rhino.

Originally Posted By Harlikwin:


I mean you're more or less gonna get some of that that with the Typhoon.

I'm way more excited about the A7E/D myself.

Originally Posted By StealthGuy:


Man I’ve never been a fan of the Typhoon, looks wise. The Rafale on the other hand.

Originally Posted By aeroworksxp:
Really liking the fact I can read the huds and display information on these UFO videos better after learning DCS. And apparently 1688 is legit the default laser codes. 

 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327887/Annotation_2020-04-28_231654_jpg-1391765.JPG

When a litening pod point tracks a target, does it use radar for ranging? Or is it completely passive?

Originally Posted By aeroworksxp:
Anyone looking forward to the P-47?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fstormbirds.files.wordpress.com%2F2020%2F05%2Fdcs-world-p-47d-thunderbolt-3d-external-model.jpg%3Fw%3D1024&f=1&nofb=1
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fstormbirds.files.wordpress.com%2F2020%2F05%2Fdcs-world-p-47d-thunderbolt-dials.jpg%3Fw%3D1024&f=1&nofb=1
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitalcombatsimulator.com%2Fupload%2Fiblock%2F4af%2FP-47D-cockpit-WIP-01.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Originally Posted By Keekleberrys:
they do need to fix damage modelling on ground targets ill give you that, cluster bombs should wipe out an entire tank company no problem.  ur lucky if it catches them on fire.

Originally Posted By Keekleberrys:
they do need to fix damage modelling on ground targets ill give you that, cluster bombs should wipe out an entire tank company no problem.  ur lucky if it catches them on fire.

Originally Posted By IL2windhawk:
This was pretty funny.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEQp8ImlnI

ETA
Here's the link to the Instagram page hes reviewing.  Great memes.
https://www.instagram.com/fighter_pilot_meme_stream/