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4/25/2017 7:42:44 PM
Posted: 5/5/2002 9:20:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 9:44:09 AM EDT
Could you please do a more descriptive explanation of the open throat jab?
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 9:55:58 AM EDT
I can't recall the last time I was in a fight. I prefer to not be there in the first place if I can help it. However, that aside, I'd have to agree with the knee. I myself have had a dislocated left patella for the last 8-years or so.... suffered due to a particularly poorly-executed round-house kick. For those of you who don't know...... If you take a man's knee out, you can pretty much consider the fight over. It hurts like I've never felt pain before, and it pretty much takes the mobility and motivation out of an opponent.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 10:24:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 3:00:26 PM EDT
If you dont start the altercation,[b]YOU FINISH IT[/b]Gun's EdAvilaSr(now are those Desert eagle 50's,or Raven's?)[;)]outlined the best defence is go for the throat/head and I 'tink' we all concur.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 3:13:05 PM EDT
personally, (no offense here ed) i always carry pepper spray if i'm not carrying a handgun. it's a LOT easier to explain in court, and you never have to put your hands on them. also, to get really good at any technique, you have to practice a lot ( i know, i'm a certified PPCT instructor for my dept) and that just opens you up to "see, he's been practicing to hurt people your honor" but, whatever works for you.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 3:36:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 3:39:32 PM EDT
I've always been partial to the sternum. If you break or even bruise the sternum they won't be able to breath or move very well for weeks after a well placed sternum injury.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 3:42:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless: I don't think learning martial arts is any more likely to get you in trouble in court than having pepper spray-"Fred egged the "the victim" into fighting him, because Fred had pepper spray with him. Fred was just waiting to let someone have it with a blast of that pepper spray, that's why he carried it and that's why FRED started the fight, because he knew he could win it."
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o.k.,and since i have been to court as a defense AND a prosecution witness dozens of times on just that same topic, i guess your unbased guess is correct, and i don't know what the hell i'm talking about. no flame intended, i knows whats i knows.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 4:08:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 5:10:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/5/2002 5:12:45 PM EDT by MP906]
Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr:
Originally Posted By D348: Could you please do a more descriptive explanation of the open throat jab?
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Just open your hand, fingers together-like a Karate chop or like when you simulate an airplane flying-hit with the tip of the fingers!
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I would think twice about jabbing at someone's throat in a nonlethal situation, as you could easily accidentally kill them. Instead, the NECK(sides) is a great non-lethal point of attack. I've seen it done on police videos. One sharp blow to the carotid artery and BAM, they're down, or at least stunned for a few seconds. JMHO
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:32:24 AM EDT
When I first started taking karate (traditional Japanese) some 20 years ago one of the favorite striking targets was the area just under the nose. Straight punch had a tendency to bust the lip, break out teeth (and skull), had good shock value and was a good initial opening. In more modern times I would hesitate to use this technique because you were almost guaranteed to cut yourself and there is a possibility of blood cross contamination (HIV). We currently teach going to more soft target areas with the hands (such as extended knuckle strikes to the throat)
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:39:25 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/7/2002 5:40:11 AM EDT
As a student in Ed Parker's American Kenpo, my favorite target to get a [u]MAN'S[/u] attention is a strike to the genitals, preferably with a hand sword or a heel palm. If access with the hand is not practical, then I might resort to some kind of leg or foot action to a knee and/or the groin. I think (maybe I should say I hope) the guy will be reluctant to get up and continue if he receives a shot in "los cojones" AND a knife-edge kick to one or both knees.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 7:03:31 AM EDT
Front kick. Heel of palm strike to jaw. Or if you're feeling particularly sassy... ...straight punch to solar plexis, with SIMULTANEOUS strike to throat, with the other hand.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 10:35:50 AM EDT
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Ed, while devastating the upward palm to the nose almost NEVER results in brain injury due to cartilidge, etc. it will mess a person up really bad to be sure but I've seen it done a few dozen times with great ferocity and it did not produce a fatality or even brain injury. It is possible, but unlikely. Kinda like winning the lotto. One of my favorites is also a throat attack. Open your hand palm down and thrust the side of the hand (focusing on the side of the knuckle) between the thumb and index finger edge first into the throat. Step back quickly or you will be wearing the guys last meal. For a quich check tap your own throat in the same manner with slight force. You will quickly understand.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 11:35:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By alexanderredhook: I've always been partial to the sternum. If you break or even bruise the sternum they won't be able to breath or move very well for weeks after a well placed sternum injury.
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Buddy, you beat me to it. But let me [i]expand[/i] on this strategy, which is in turn my all-time favorite attack. I start off with my right foot back. If he approaches me, I do a [i]fake[/i] tiger claw strike to his face with my left hand. I then step up right foot forward, and with my fist at a 45 degree angle, take a hard jab at the tip of the sternum, effectively bruising/breaking it. This will temporarily incapacitate the opponent while he feels the need for "air", and while he is reeling from the blow, I'll embrace my hands around the back of his neck (albeit leaving me temporarily open for attack) and thrust my knee into his stomach. If he's still standing, I'll take his head (conveniently placed near my armpits) and wrap my arm around his head into a guillotine choke position. From there, I can either remain standing and apply pressure to the choke hold until he is rendered unconscious, OR I can thrust my leg under his body, and drop him down into a DDT face-first, while still holding a carotid choke. I dont like doing this on asphalt, because it usually tears up my forearm during the fall...however, its less dangerous because you're open for attack or a suplex reverse in a standing guillotine choke position. It's not all that dirty (with the exception of the face-plant DDT) but it sure as hell is effective...effortless too.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 11:44:42 AM EDT
If your opponent cannot see he cannot fight. If your opponent cannot breathe he cannot fight. If your opponent cannot stand he cannot fight.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 12:16:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover: If your opponent cannot see he cannot fight. If your opponent cannot breathe he cannot fight. If your opponent cannot stand he cannot fight.
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If your opponent is not a Ninja, he cannot fight.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 12:58:54 PM EDT
Knees - unquestionably. Easy to fold, pretty much a fight stopper no matter what. The average guy in the street is not trained to think about them either - they can be kind of a giveme since they only require 7 pounds of pressure and most folks are going to give you an angled shot at it. I like the rear leg knee. More weight on it, greater protection / more options for me if I miss. Sneaky - be conciliatory - "gosh I just so sorry" (my hand touches my forhead as if in thought - other hand in pants pocket to indicate that I don't want trouble) now within a couple feet - "why don't I buy you a beer?" (Reach to slap them on the back - grasp back of head - head butt and splatter nose). Then get serious. One of those spots that is great when you are having a "conversation" with someone - take fingers and close them like a fist but place them under your thumb for support. Using the tip of your thumb, place the tip on the backside of the ear lobe as high as possible up into back of the V created by the back of the ear lobe, back of the ear and the neck. Be gentle with yourself - drive the tip into the neck and apply an upward pressure to the cartiledge of the back of the ear. You would be amazed what someone will tell you. (Disclaimer - I am not advocating violence nor am I stating in any way shape or form that I have committed an act of physical agression against anyone.) Take care.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 1:11:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By quietshoez: personally, (no offense here ed) i always carry pepper spray if i'm not carrying a handgun. it's a LOT easier to explain in court, and you never have to put your hands on them. also, to get really good at any technique, you have to practice a lot ( i know, i'm a certified PPCT instructor for my dept) and that just opens you up to "see, he's been practicing to hurt people your honor" but, whatever works for you.
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Pepper spay - it needs to be fresh. I have had a hit from some (assumed) old stuff - ya know on a key ring for years - it was more like seasoning for a meal than a detterant. Self defense electronic tasers - been zapped by one of these too. I wasn't impressed. Just made me cranky. I think the biggest problem with these is - you gotta be able to hold the person still enough to keep it on them. I think what Qshoes is saying is really important and something I did not appreciate when I was younger - there are lots of folks running around with a "full kit" on them at all times. Just cuz you can read their eyes doesn't mean you have x-ray vision for their clothes. Physical confrontation is not worth the risk of loss of life, devistrating physical injury, lawsuits and jail time. Not to mention looking over your shoulder for years to come. Smile and let it go.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 1:19:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By alexanderredhook: I've always been partial to the sternum. If you break or even bruise the sternum they won't be able to breath or move very well for weeks after a well placed sternum injury.
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More power to you if you are that quick, however - are you sure you are cogniscent of how hard you have to hit the sternum to do this? Secondly, most people in a confrontational situation put their hands up - greatly reducing your chances of a clean shot to the sternum. Like I said - if your that quick and that strong - more power to you.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 8:27:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 12:20:47 PM EDT
I've never done it myself. Everone has heard the story. It would be just my luck that "I" do it and the SOB dies. If I'm ready to put a man "in a hole" I'm hoping I won't have to do it with my bare hands. But one I HAVE done is a variation on the theme. Same palm strike but overhand down hard into the bridge of the nose. Pretty much breaks (actually shatters into fragments) it everytime. Lots of blood and violence deterring pain. Pretty much total impairment of vision and will to fight ensues. Nobody likes it. Brings fights to a abrupt end. I took a poorly placed, ill focused hook kick to the same target area from about the same attack path as a overhand palm and can tell you, it didn't feel sexy. Didn't hit with much impact, no breaks, but damn if I couldn't see straight, balance was shot to shit and it hurt like a bastard. And nobody really likes to bleed that much. A little gets you into the fight, a lot just makes you dizzy.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 8:29:25 PM EDT
Using your Best Bruce Lee Voice, lunge forward kicking your Perp Square front center of his shin... Hopefully you are wearing steel toed boots like myself.. Perp bends down Immediately to hold shin and looks up at you.. With your Best "Three Stooges" attack using your index and middle finger, strike both eyes without completely following thru as to avoid Jamming... You now can round house the poor slob in the head or any finishing move you desire.. I personally at this time choose to upright him and Jack Hammer his head/ neck into hopefully concrete or asphalt.. [:)] Realist out
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 8:50:01 PM EDT
Remind me to avoid close encounters with ANY of you! I HATE fights, will put up with extreme provocation to avoid it. Hate to get this close - can't I just shoot him?
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 4:57:07 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/13/2002 2:19:08 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/13/2002 8:07:26 AM EDT
1. Throat 2. Eyes 3. Sternum/xyphoid process 4. Neck After training for almost 22 years (it will be in June) I have found that these targets appear to be universally incapacitating to even the most committed assailants. I have others I normally work into my fighting combinations, but these are the "devastating" targets IMHO.
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