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Posted: 6/25/2001 5:08:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/25/2001 5:17:34 PM EDT by GoatBoy]
Link Posted: 6/25/2001 5:16:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/25/2001 9:20:14 PM EDT
GB: Can you set up a paypal account as well? (for those of us who are extremely lazy and will forget to write out a check)
Link Posted: 6/25/2001 9:23:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/25/2001 10:40:48 PM EDT
yeah.. the "new and improved" premier and business accounts now have a pseudo-shopping cart system available. just place a link on your site to a specific URL with your account and amount imbedded in the address and the prospective ar15.com paid member gets directed right to a payment screen. Thanks!
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 6:15:15 AM EDT
Regardless of the ease of use of PayPal, you should not permit its use. It discriminates against gun sales and says so specifically in its rules.
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 6:17:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By thewizardofaz: Regardless of the ease of use of PayPal, you should not permit its use. It discriminates against gun sales and says so specifically in its rules.
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I guess they haven't busted me yet. I've bought two Glocks using PayPal. I'm just a bad person. [;)] Bradd
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 8:48:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2001 8:46:15 PM EDT by Gloftoe]
Link Posted: 6/26/2001 9:06:35 PM EDT
It discriminates against business, or "shops" as it calls them, in its prohibited activities section: "Shopkeepers who sell firearms or explosives will be disqualified from listing in PayPal Shops. Any item that is designed to propel a metal (or similar) projectile is covered by this policy. Exceptions to this rule include collectible, curio & relic, and antique firearms, as well as archery supplies. Firearms-related items that are not permitted include silencers, converters (any item which can convert a firearm to have automatic capability), short barrels, and kits (any kit that can be used to create a firearm). High capacity magazines and ammunition with propellant cannot be listed. Blank ammunition is not allowed. There is Federal and state laws requiring that replica, "look alike" and imitation firearms have clear markings permanently affixed to the weapon. This law applies even to novelty items, such as cigarette lighters that are designed to look like firearms. All look-alike items of this nature listed by a PayPal Shopkeeper must comply with the law. " http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/shop/guide-outside#prohibited Any discrimination against one of us is discrimination against all of us. Either we stand together or they cook us like frogs, one degree at a time in the frog boiling pot.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 12:14:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2001 12:12:38 PM EDT by AR_in_the_woods]
Mr. Wizard: You make a good point. Can you recommend an alternate?
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 6:49:56 PM EDT
I know PayPal was very convenient. I am sorry to not have that any longer and am looking for a similar way to pay for items. I could even send money to my daughter just because. However, convenience aside - I felt I had to make the stand that others are also making. I've gone to using money orders for the time being. I'm investigating bid pay further. I had a run in with them once before, so I'm wary. I will report back once I've had time to study their terms of service. Does anyone else know of payment services that are secure and fast? I pay bills online with Quicken, but that's not quite the same. I suppose I could do it with them, but some kind of account would have to be setup. The program requires an account number. It might be worth looking into as well.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 6:55:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/28/2001 5:49:24 AM EDT
As soon as you are set up to accept credit cards, Im in.
Link Posted: 6/28/2001 10:29:49 AM EDT
The second paragraph is separate and distinct from the first. They prohibit the following: "Firearms-related items that are not permitted include silencers, converters (any item which can convert a firearm to have automatic capability), short barrels, and kits (any kit that can be used to create a firearm). High capacity magazines and ammunition with propellant cannot be listed. Blank ammunition is not allowed." Guess I'm talking to a wall. This is just an incremental step, just like the government's incremental steps towards attempting to ban guns. If we don't put our foot down adgainst this, how can we even think about doing it against the government anti gun forces? You can do your own thing or do nothing. That's one of your few remaining rights. Those who have a mind to, will take the steps needed. I'm done here anyway. $60.00 is a bit much.
Link Posted: 6/28/2001 11:31:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/29/2001 7:35:47 AM EDT
Will do Juan. I'm not intending to cause a stink..well..a small one. I just want to make those of us with the will to do something meaningfull aware what they can do if they will only get up and exercise their choices. Thanks for letting me talk.
Link Posted: 6/29/2001 8:42:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/2/2001 11:53:12 AM EDT
Goatboy, I know I have learned quite a bit and reaaly enjoy the site. Check is on the way! Markeagle
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 4:08:20 AM EDT
Goatboy, Call me at the office today... 217-223-5082 Tim Greene
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 6:03:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/3/2001 11:29:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/4/2001 7:46:40 AM EDT
GoatBoy Thanks for the e-mail reply!!! Check goes out 7/05/01 [%(]
Link Posted: 7/4/2001 11:54:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/4/2001 7:18:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 8:16:45 AM EDT
Goatboy and all, I have sent the $60 but you might want to lower the rate and get more people signed up. 100 people at $60 each is only $6,000, while 500 at $20 is $10,000 and a bigger community. Perhaps you could consider a joining fee of $20 and $20 per year. So the first year it would be $40 and thereafter $20. I just think at $60/yr there is going to be some price sensitivity. Markeagle
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 9:34:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 5:24:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2001 5:28:16 PM EDT by PigPen]
I'm not so sure. I don't want to rain on your parade but you did invite coments and I want to be honest. The time was (in the not too distant past) when I would have been delighted to pony up a few bucks (say $25.00 - $30.00) without question, just to receive in return a stable platform with decent performance. Not that I wouldn't still be willing to do that but I am concerned with all the talk about graphics (Photos, signatures, eMail tools, etc.)that personally do nothing for me and tend to load up the system. I would like some assurances that my $60.00 would go for solid perforance and reliability improvements instead of more flashy graphics and animation icons that I personally find distracting and the same old slow system that have now. I mean personally, I do not give a rat's XXX about most of the things mentioned as improvements so far. Then when the system was humming and up consistently, and located somewhere that it could be reached 12 months out of the year, maybe we could go ahead from there. I also tend to agree that $60.00 is a sensitive issue. PigPen
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 7:24:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 7:37:39 PM EDT
Ze Czech iz in ze mayel...!
Link Posted: 7/9/2001 9:12:25 PM EDT
GB, When/how will I be informed whether or not my membership monies have been accepted!?! Thanks, W
Link Posted: 7/10/2001 8:51:03 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/19/2001 6:42:02 AM EDT
Juan, Any idea when 50world will be coming online? I knew that since I had paid for that area I "had" to get a 50 cal. My AR50 rolled in today and I need to know care and feeding instructions. Any suggestions in the interim would be greatly appreciated Markeagle
Link Posted: 7/19/2001 7:35:38 AM EDT
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