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Posted: 1/8/2016 9:23:09 PM EDT
Some GREAT news for folks who asked us to expand our very popular TNV-14 and Sentinel line!
 The Same tubes currently in use by Tier 1 SOF Units are now available in TNV/PVS-14's and TNV/Sentinel Night Vision Goggles. L3 Gen3 Un-Filmed White Phosphor image intensifier tubes meet the current U.S. Military OMNI VIII contract specs and, provide some of the cleanest images available. White Phosphor is the latest technology advancement in image intensifier tubes. These filmless tubes provide greater detail clarity and 15-20% more light transmission than standard thin-filmed green tubes. USSOCOM and JSOC have chosen white phosphor tubes as their new standard and are now taking delivery of these tubes exclusively. Their better performance in lower light conditions has proven instrumental in the success of their nighttime missions. Now you can own a night vision goggle with the same tubes being used by Tier1 Special Operations Forces.  https://tnvc.com/shop/tnvpvs-14-l3-gen3-un-filmed-white-phosphor-2/ https://tnvc.com/shop/tnv-sentinel-binocular-night-vision-system-l-3-un-filmed-white-phosphor/ |
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Posted: 1/8/2016 10:18:27 PM EDT
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Man those look awesome!!! Now I need to win that lottery so I can afford those binos
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Posted: 1/8/2016 11:21:22 PM EDT
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C'mon Powerball  |
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Posted: 1/8/2016 11:27:59 PM EDT
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Hell ya...I need to win the lottery
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Posted: 1/9/2016 1:04:08 AM EDT
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So white phosphor are the go-to tubes for TNVC now?
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Posted: 1/9/2016 3:18:41 AM EDT
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Cyan is the new green for NV it seems. This stuff should be getting cheaper, not more expensive
Come onnnn powerball!
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Posted: 1/9/2016 4:02:41 AM EDT
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Will you offer tubes separate to retrofit existing systems at some point?
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Posted: 1/9/2016 1:34:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TNVC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoScoE30:
So white phosphor are the go-to tubes for TNVC now? Just another choice for our customers who want a filmless choice. As we've always said in the past, the color itself is not an advantage over the green, the filmless technology does help in VERY dark conditions. Some folks and many in the Mil who are on NODS for hours and hours also find the WPT easier on their eyes with less fatigue. Hope this helps. 
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Posted: 1/9/2016 1:37:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DevilWillCry:
Will you offer tubes separate to retrofit existing systems at some point? DWC You bet, folks can email us to get a quote on stand-alone tubes and also having us build these into their existing systems. |
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Posted: 1/9/2016 1:39:10 PM EDT
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reading the description, it states the tube is rated for heavy calibers but the pvs-14 is not, has there been any testing to see what the lifespan of one of these is on a ar-10 in 308? this has been keeping me from buying for years.i have a few 5.56 guns but I don't use them much I prefer a 308 for the extra it brings to the table.
this seems to be a step in the right direction to a heavy duty pvs-14 but I'd really love to see one rated for mounting to a 308. that would bring my wallet out 
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Posted: 1/9/2016 1:39:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sheddy:
Cyan is the new green for NV it seems. This stuff should be getting cheaper, not more expensive Come onnnn powerball!The WPT filmless technology is more expensive to produce which is the reason we see the cost factors. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/9/2016 2:59:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By icecold1:
reading the description, it states the tube is rated for heavy calibers but the pvs-14 is not, has there been any testing to see what the lifespan of one of these is on a ar-10 in 308? this has been keeping me from buying for years.i have a few 5.56 guns but I don't use them much I prefer a 308 for the extra it brings to the table. this seems to be a step in the right direction to a heavy duty pvs-14 but I'd really love to see one rated for mounting to a 308. that would bring my wallet out
pete If you want to weapon mount a NV scope on a .308 and you're good with the $4k range, you should really be looking at magnified dedicated Gen3 scopes. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 1/9/2016 3:20:24 PM EDT
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Curious as to what the tube lifespan is on the filmless vs thin filmed tubes?
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Posted: 1/9/2016 8:14:45 PM EDT
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What are the typical specs?
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Posted: 1/9/2016 8:17:13 PM EDT
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Yikes, 10 large.
Thats a nice piece of kit, but I will have to stick with my old anvis9s for the foreseeable future. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2016 8:59:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: night9]
[#15]
What kind of specs are typical on these? Are they the "chrome" tubes?
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MO, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2016 10:41:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: leo84]
[#16]
Also you guys put this in the description on the filmless pvs-14...might want to fix that.
L3 is one of two factory manufacturers of Gen3 image intensifier tubes in the United States. They provide the majority of goggle systems used by U.S. Special Operations Forces. L3 tubes are designed to be weapons-rated and feature a thicker film to protect them from recoil shock. These tubes are weapons rated for heavy calibers. However, the PVS-14 housing is not. PVS-14’s and other NVG’s are designed to be worn on the head 99% of the time. Their lightweight polymer housings are designed to stand up to heavy caliber weapon shock. We recommend limiting weapon mount applications to 300 Blackout and smaller. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2016 10:44:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By night9:
What kind of specs are typical on these? Are they the "chrome" tubes? So it looks like a yes on the chrome thing- OPTICAL:—————————————————-Generation:Gen3 U.S. L-3 Un-Filmed White PhosphorIntensifier Tubes:L-3 MX10160 Chrome Un-Filmed White Phosphor (x2) |
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Posted: 1/10/2016 1:43:11 PM EDT
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I've used PVS31s with WP and it is amazing.
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Posted: 1/10/2016 4:33:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By leo84:
Also you guys put this in the description on the filmless pvs-14...might want to fix that. L3 is one of two factory manufacturers of Gen3 image intensifier tubes in the United States. They provide the majority of goggle systems used by U.S. Special Operations Forces. L3 tubes are designed to be weapons-rated and feature a thicker film to protect them from recoil shock. These tubes are weapons rated for heavy calibers. However, the PVS-14 housing is not. PVS-14’s and other NVG’s are designed to be worn on the head 99% of the time. Their lightweight polymer housings are designed to stand up to heavy caliber weapon shock. We recommend limiting weapon mount applications to 300 Blackout and smaller. Thanks Brother, Clasky was cut and pasting some of the older L3 descriptions. Got it fixed. Vic |
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Posted: 1/10/2016 5:26:17 PM EDT
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Would also be interested on projected tube life on these. If I remember correctly the thin filmed tubes were significantly shorter than the original gen3 tubes.
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Posted: 1/11/2016 6:10:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: itstock]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoScoE30:
So white phosphor are the go-to tubes for TNVC now? I don't know, this time last year all of the TNVC fans were saying that "ghost" and "white phosphor" were junk and to not waste money on them. 
FWIW, I like my white phosphor night vision better than my traditional green. To MY eyes, and in MY opinion, it's easier to see/less harsh on the eyes. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 1:25:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TNVC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By itstock:
I don't know, this time last year all of the TNVC fans were saying that "ghost" and "white phosphor" were junk and to not waste money on them.
FWIW, I like my white phosphor night vision better than my traditional green. To MY eyes, and in MY opinion, it's easier to see/less harsh on the eyes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By itstock:
Originally Posted By NoScoE30:
So white phosphor are the go-to tubes for TNVC now? I don't know, this time last year all of the TNVC fans were saying that "ghost" and "white phosphor" were junk and to not waste money on them.
FWIW, I like my white phosphor night vision better than my traditional green. To MY eyes, and in MY opinion, it's easier to see/less harsh on the eyes. Sorry we never said they were JUNK!  What we have said for YEARS is WPT does not give a distinct advantage over the color green. What advantage they do have is due to the filmless technology over the standard green filmed.
Some Mil guys who sit on NODS for hours on end (longer than I will ever use them) say it's more pleasing to their eyes for long periods with less eye strain. Some say they can see a bit better contrast and in the shadows better. I for one do not see any better in these aspects (never have) with the color alone, but in extremely dark conditions, it's the filmless technology that is the largest improvement over standard film NOT the color. Hope this helps. Vic |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 1:30:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC:
Just another choice for our customers who want a filmless choice. As we've always said in the past, the color itself is not an advantage over the green, the filmless technology does help in VERY dark conditions. Some folks and many in the Mil who are on NODS for hours and hours also find the WPT easier on their eyes with less fatigue. Hope this helps.
Vic Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC:
Originally Posted By NoScoE30:
So white phosphor are the go-to tubes for TNVC now? Just another choice for our customers who want a filmless choice. As we've always said in the past, the color itself is not an advantage over the green, the filmless technology does help in VERY dark conditions. Some folks and many in the Mil who are on NODS for hours and hours also find the WPT easier on their eyes with less fatigue. Hope this helps.
Vic I'm just a peckerwood living in the hills with my dogs and guns... But I would think transitioning from thermal to WP nods would be a little easier. Going from my green Sentinels to my LWTS or vice versa is a bit of a brain shock for a second or two. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 4:27:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: itstock]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC:
Sorry we never said they were JUNK! What we have said for YEARS is WPT does not give a distinct advantage over the color green. What advantage they do have is due to the filmless technology over the standard green filmed.
Some Mil guys who sit on NODS for hours on end (longer than I will ever use them) say it's more pleasing to their eyes for long periods with less eye strain. Some say they can see a bit better contrast and in the shadows better. I for one do not see any better in these aspects (never have) with the color alone, but in extremely dark conditions, it's the filmless technology that is the largest improvement over standard film NOT the color. Hope this helps. Vic Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC:
Originally Posted By itstock:
Originally Posted By NoScoE30:
So white phosphor are the go-to tubes for TNVC now? I don't know, this time last year all of the TNVC fans were saying that "ghost" and "white phosphor" were junk and to not waste money on them.
FWIW, I like my white phosphor night vision better than my traditional green. To MY eyes, and in MY opinion, it's easier to see/less harsh on the eyes. Sorry we never said they were JUNK! What we have said for YEARS is WPT does not give a distinct advantage over the color green. What advantage they do have is due to the filmless technology over the standard green filmed.
Some Mil guys who sit on NODS for hours on end (longer than I will ever use them) say it's more pleasing to their eyes for long periods with less eye strain. Some say they can see a bit better contrast and in the shadows better. I for one do not see any better in these aspects (never have) with the color alone, but in extremely dark conditions, it's the filmless technology that is the largest improvement over standard film NOT the color. Hope this helps. Vic Sorry for the confusion, you guys did NOT say that, just some of your closest fans on this forum. Again, I really do agree with those stating it is easier on the eyes. IMO, it's worth a try for those who doubt it. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 5:26:04 PM EDT
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We have another batch due in a few weeks!
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Posted: 5/12/2016 5:39:33 PM EDT
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Now in stock with some pretty nice specs averaging 32-35 S/N with a few at 37 S/N at 72LP. This WILL go faaaast!
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/14/2016 5:05:11 PM EDT
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Just got in my TNV/PVS-14 with L3 Un-filmed WP today. Very clean tube with no visible blems.
S/N 27.9 Res 64LP(Seems higher at first glance, center is very sharp) Halo 0.9 Will be running it later tonight see how it compares to my other L3 tube, similar specs of 27.8 S/N and 64LP. |
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Posted: 6/16/2016 7:23:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zimagold:
Just got in my TNV/PVS-14 with L3 Un-filmed WP today. Very clean tube with no visible blems. S/N 27.9 Res 64LP(Seems higher at first glance, center is very sharp) Halo 0.9 Will be running it later tonight see how it compares to my other L3 tube, similar specs of 27.8 S/N and 64LP. Thank you for the purchase and glad you like the gear. Look forward to your reviews. The L3 filmless are VERY good! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/2/2016 10:42:50 PM EDT
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Is the life span of the L3 filmless tunes the same as the L3 thin film tunes?
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Posted: 8/5/2016 2:24:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bermise:
Is the life span of the L3 filmless tunes the same as the L3 thin film tunes? According to L3 engineering it's still 10,000 hours. Now that may be diminished somewhat on the hours the unit has seen high light environments etc. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/18/2017 6:45:01 PM EDT
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I don't know if this is been covered elsewhere and sorry to revive an old thread! (but hey no worries because white phosphor is awesome right?!) I looked around a bit and didn't find anything.
Does the filmless white phosphor offer any other advantages other that what was mentioned (easier on the eyes, and better light gathering in low light) such as durability? Also, I'm just learning about NV right now and saw that most regular pvs14, if weapon mounted, only are rated to 5.56. This doesn't seem like much to me? Makes me question the durability (ie what if i bump into a tree at night??) |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 6:13:26 PM EDT
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I've not had a chance to try any WP units. How does the 'purple vision' compare to using a green NVD?
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