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[#1]
For the sake of science I hope you aren't wasting your time measuring base to meplat.
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[#3]
But how does it shoot?
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Snot Box Bustin
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Originally Posted By assaultdog0351:
I will be breaking out the comparator later today to measure CBTO, but surely inconsistent OAL will have an effect... somewhere View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By assaultdog0351:
I will be breaking out the comparator later today to measure CBTO, but surely inconsistent OAL will have an effect... somewhere View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By assaultdog0351:
Originally Posted By popnfresh:
For the sake of science I hope you aren't wasting your time measuring base to meplat. For the bullets I don't trim and point I sort and group by length (after confirming the bullet base to to ogive is the same). No need to be concerned with it for under 400yds probably though. A 3% difference in BC at 400yds with my 140hyb Grendel load is 0.4" of vertical difference. |
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Generation FUCK YOU: 1982-1991 Not Generation X, not a dirty Millennial. Card catalog, land lines, helmets optional, GWOT.
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[#7]
Originally Posted By popnfresh:
Yes if the bullet length is different(bullet base to meplat) from one to the next on a hollow point boat tail, that could indicate that the meplats are of different diameters which will effect BC a small amount. For the bullets I don't trim and point I sort and group by length (after confirming the bullet base to to ogive is the same). No need to be concerned with it for under 400yds probably though. A 3% difference in BC at 400yds with my 140hyb Grendel load is 0.4" of vertical difference. View Quote |
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[#8]
Originally Posted By assaultdog0351:
What takes more time, sorting by BTO/length or trimming/pointing? View Quote I only use Bergers for LR and have found their base to ogive is very consistent for the most part. I only check about 50 or so of them bto(same lot) unless I find them all over the place (more than +/-.001). Then go through and measure length. Of course this is all done from the couch while watching a movie or whatever so the time doesn't really count. I can trim and point 100 in about 10-15 minutes. (Giraud trimmer). When trimming and pointing I grab a bunch and take 5 minutes to check bto and look for the average length and the shorter ones to setup the trimmer. Here a vid of doing it. I think these are 175smks but I don't bother with those anymore as I only use them for 100-200yds. Meplat Trim with Giraud trimmer and repoint 100 bullets |
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[#9]
I may need to get another set of calipers due to small variances, but the shortest round was more than likely a typo... will post up new numbers when I get home. CBTO was pretty good, but OAL was still not as good as some other ammo.
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[#11]
I never use factory ammo to know what to expect but that seem alright. My handloads I keep BTO to +/-.0005" but that is with .001" neck tension.
Start adding more neck tension and less uniform brass and you will have to put up with more variance... or seat shallow, measure, sort, seat again, measure, sort, seat again. And again hollow points are going to be different lengths at the meplat from drawing the jackets, just the way it is. |
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[#12]
Originally Posted By popnfresh:
I never use factory ammo to know what to expect but that seem alright. My handloads I keep BTO to +/-.0005" but that is with .001" neck tension. Start adding more neck tension and less uniform brass and you will have to put up with more variance... or seat shallow, measure, sort, seat again, measure, sort, seat again. And again hollow points are going to be different lengths at the meplat from drawing the jackets, just the way it is. View Quote What setup do you use? forster press and dies? |
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[#13]
Most(almost all) of my precision ammo is loaded on my Hornady Classic press. I use Forster Ultra(.308 6.5G) and Redding Competition(.223) seating dies. Foster Bushing bump die(.308 .223) and Redding type S FL(6.5G) sizing dies.
I use Lapua brass only because of the consistent neck wall thickness across all the cases and around the circumference of each. I don't like Hornady brass, the wall thickness varies too much. |
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Originally Posted By popnfresh:
Most(almost all) of my precision ammo is loaded on my Hornady Classic press. I use Forster Ultra(.308 6.5G) and Redding Competition(.223) seating dies. Foster Bushing bump die(.308 .223) and Redding type S FL(6.5G) sizing dies. I use Lapua brass only because of the consistent neck wall thickness across all the cases and around the circumference of each. I don't like Hornady brass, the wall thickness varies too much. View Quote |
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[#15]
They both work the same but I like the Forsters better, I bought the Redding for .223 because Forsters were out of stock everywhere.
They both make straight ammo, as far as results, I don't see a difference. I prefer the bigger, easier to read knob of the Forster, the Forster feels a bit smoother. Forster is less expensive. |
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[#16]
Remeasured with new calipers. OP edited to reflect.
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[#18]
I'm sure there is more to it, but there is almost a direct correlation between COAL and rounds that did not perform well in my rifle; could very well be coincidence, though.
FGMB seems to have inconsistent COAL, inconsistent CBTO, inconsistent charge weight. Is the projectile the only thing good about it? Or does my rifle just not like it? |
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[#19]
Originally Posted By assaultdog0351:
I'm sure there is more to it, but there is almost a direct correlation between COAL and rounds that did not perform well in my rifle; could very well be coincidence, though. FGMB seems to have inconsistent COAL, inconsistent CBTO, inconsistent charge weight. Is the projectile the only thing good about it? Or does my rifle just not like it? View Quote Are you sure that one round recorded as being .005 longer is accurate? Outside of that 1, the rest looked like they were within 2 thou of each other (BTO), which shouldn't cause an issue. I think that what you're seeing is that your rifle just doesn't like that bullet at the factory speed or seating depth. All of the other rounds tested are several thou closer to the lands. |
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[#20]
I measured the highs and lows three times to verify.
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