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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2017 12:31:22 AM EDT
I have shot this ammo vintage 1980 according to the headstamp through my M1A with good results. With my Mossberg MVP LC it is all over the place. WTF?
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Posted: 8/18/2017 2:11:50 AM EDT
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m1A > Mossberg?
Shoots really nice in my FALs. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:27:58 AM EDT
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???
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:24:47 PM EDT
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Just shot it out of my Colt 901 and I am not impressed!
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2019 12:02:26 PM EDT
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Different guns like different ammo. I have a grip of 55gr .223 ball that my AR loves to make little clover leafs with while my Mossberg MVP won't even put them inside 4 inches despite the fact that it'll put almost anything heavier than 62gr into a single ragged hole.
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Posted: 6/21/2019 5:05:36 PM EDT
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Why the surprise? It's military surplus ammo. Good stuff, but not match ammo, and not even up to most commercial ammunition available to us today.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2019 3:55:43 AM EDT
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But, I'm getting 2 to 3 inch groups at 30 yards from a bench.....
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Posted: 6/22/2019 4:47:34 AM EDT
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Different guns like different ammo.
When I use what hirtenberger I have for my Stg58, it shoots wonderfully to near practically sub MOA. Using it on my m24 clone build and it shoots horribly. twist rate is different maybe? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2019 5:00:07 AM EDT
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I will take that under consideration and next time will take my M1A out too and see if I can get better groups than the Colt.....
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Posted: 6/24/2019 7:22:09 AM EDT
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Take it for what it's worth. Some rifles just hate some ammo.
Why does my one AR, that generally shoots anything to it's price point, down to about 1.5moa, hate CBC m193? Damn if I know. 7-9" groups. 2 other rifles shoot the same box to 2-3" groups just like any other ball ammo. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 7/10/2019 3:06:29 AM EDT
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The Hirtenberger groups better in the M1A than my Colt 901 but not much better.
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Posted: 9/25/2019 1:35:20 PM EDT
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It’s just ball ammo milsurp, but my SCAR loves the stuff. I’ve never shot it for true groups from anything else. Eventually I need to take out some of my more precision oriented .308’s and see how it goes.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 10/5/2019 2:50:32 PM EDT
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My H&K's , Cetme's and Fals love the stuff.
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Posted: 11/2/2019 11:36:26 PM EDT
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The difference is probably the chambers... your M1A is gonna be a little looser chambered because of the loose tolerances of 7.62x51 ammo, the Mossberg, is most likely .308 chambered and a snugger fit.
Generally speaking while the cartridge dimensions .308 and 7.62x51..are very close. There are notable ( and pressure producing differences ) between the chambers of a .308 and 7.62x51. Also the bullet profile could be getting jammed into your Mossberg barrel leades.... spiking pressures. |
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Posted: 11/9/2019 1:52:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HighpowerRifleBrony]
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If it was jamming, he should notice it on closing. If pressure spiked, he should notice it on opening. How do the barrel profiles compare?
2-3" at 30yds indicates something wrong with the gun or shooter. 0.6-1.3 is more like it. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2019 2:11:05 PM EDT
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Nothing wrong with me nor my rifle! Winchester & Remington 150 gr PSP touch most of the time. I just find it odd that several types of ball ammo won't get any tighter at a lousy 30 yards....
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Posted: 11/15/2019 8:41:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bfoosh06]
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You might try some of this... And read the whole product description... as they are probably corroded cases and the case head has been milled to remove the headstamp.
And while I have had no issues with it in my Large frame AR's ( tuned to slow / delay the bolt unlocking, and extracting at a lower chamber pressure ) ... YMMV !! I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT for the rather vigorous M1A's action or a Typical large frame AR setup..... since you could easily rip the rim off. The bad news... quite a bit of mine was corroded, still shootable ... but , and the cases are berdan primed. The first link is to SGAmmo... his description and photos show the headstamp milling I am talking about. A google search will find some in stock https://www.sgammo.com/product/308-win-762x51-ammo/1000-round-case-308-win-148-grain-fmj-german-military-surplus-ammo-am203 This is how it shoots in my large frame AR's... 20rds 100yds. 
And FWIW... all my .308 AR's ... shoot the ZQI like a finely tuned shotgun.. crazy, horrible shotgun pattern groups. That bargain ammo ... was no bargain. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/7/2019 6:18:25 PM EDT
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I bought a case of Malaysian .308. Actually shoots ok in the 901. I was surprised. Guess their ammo is better than their TVs....LOL
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AL, USA
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Posted: 12/7/2019 10:53:56 PM EDT
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Yep, my Hirt from '79 i think shoots great from my chrome lined 20" 1:12. Groups hold around 1-2 moa.
Switch to my stainless 18" 1:10 and 2 moa is the absolute best i can expect. It slso tends to shoot 4moa low and 2.5 moa left relative to the 178 eldx that i have my scoped zeroed for. |
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