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Scotts556 Boobs and gunzzzz Joined Jul 2009 Posts 2864 EE 100% (51) TX, USA	Posted: 10/4/2017 4:07:39 PM EDT [Last Edit: Scotts556] So I'm planning on building a 22 Nosler on a Aero precision m4e1 builder set with a 22-26 inch WOA barrel. Just want some of y'all's thoughts? Planning on running the 60 NBT for varmints and 77-80 grain bullets for long range fun and casual local matches. Scott
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Turtle556 Member Joined Jan 2007 Posts 299 EE 0% (0) CO, USA	Posted: 10/5/2017 12:14:56 AM EDT [Last Edit: Turtle556] [#1] IMHO I would go with the .223 Akley Improved. It also gives .22/250 velocities and you use 223 brass. The only issue is fire forming, it wood still be cheaper than .22 Nosler. Not sure how it would do with the heavy bullets.

Scotts556 Boobs and gunzzzz Joined Jul 2009 Posts 2866 EE 100% (51) TX, USA	Posted: 10/5/2017 11:59:38 AM EDT [#2] I've been looking into it. I really don't like the idea of fire forming brass though.
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Turtle556 Member Joined Jan 2007 Posts 300 EE 0% (0) CO, USA	Posted: 10/6/2017 2:08:52 PM EDT [#3] I can see that, my prairie dog rifle is an AR in standard .223 with a 25 inch Kreiger barrel. I get 50grain v-max up to 3400 fps. It is a 1 in 13 twist so I don't use anything heavier. Have fun with the Nosler

Combat_Jack Ultimus Romanorum Joined Dec 2001 Posts 90826 EE 100% (27) USA	Posted: 10/6/2017 2:18:57 PM EDT [#4] .224 Valkyrie would let you use longer bullets.
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sea2summit Plastic Pony 6 Joined Dec 2012 Posts 25376 EE 100% (57) USA	Posted: 10/6/2017 4:35:25 PM EDT [#5] I use the bass pro test. If you can't find it at a bass pro shop do you really want to look for it that hard? I don't see an advantage vs cheaper and more available ammo like .243, .260 or 6.5C. I'd also wager those rounds will be cheaper. If you're hard up to stay on a small AR platform and can afford it, go for it.
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Scotts556 Boobs and gunzzzz Joined Jul 2009 Posts 2869 EE 100% (51) TX, USA	Posted: 10/6/2017 9:50:04 PM EDT [#6] While I agree with staying with 6.5 Creed that I already own... I'm board and I need another project.
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sea2summit Plastic Pony 6 Joined Dec 2012 Posts 25388 EE 100% (57) USA	Posted: 10/6/2017 10:16:29 PM EDT [#7] Quote History Originally Posted By Scotts556: While I agree with staying with 6.5 Creed that I already own... I'm board and I need another project. View Quote In that case
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Posted: 10/7/2017 11:12:57 AM EDT

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I’m in process with my 22 Nosler build off of a LWRC Six8 receiver set.. Originally looked at the 24” WOA 8-twist but wanted something lighter and threaded so I can mount a suppressor. One of the barrels I was looking at is the Dracos Straight Jacket but they do not make it in 22 Nosler. Another option would have been to buy the WOA and send it to Teludyne for their Straight Jacket service. The Straight Jacket will keep the operating temp low and increase barrel life. The main issue I have with the 22 Nosler is it is a barrel burner and expected barrel life is ~2000 rounds. Also, If you are going to shoot the heavies choose the 8-twist.

I ended up going with a 24” 8-twist BSF barrel. It met my criteria for weight and a threaded barrel. I should have it by the end of the month.

Ballistic Advantage and Proof are the other two barrels I considered.

Combat_Jack Ultimus Romanorum Joined Dec 2001 Posts 90831 EE 100% (27) USA	Posted: 10/7/2017 4:21:47 PM EDT [#9] AR barrels are cheap, and 2000 rounds is a lot.
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sparkyD Member Joined Jan 2010 Posts 2632 EE 0% (0) OK, USA	Posted: 10/7/2017 4:56:05 PM EDT [#10] I don't have enough time behavior the .22 Nosler to give a good answer. Now a bolt action with a long enough magazine to set heavy bullets might be interesting.
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Combat_Jack Ultimus Romanorum Joined Dec 2001 Posts 90840 EE 100% (27) USA	Posted: 10/7/2017 5:04:22 PM EDT [#11] Quote History Originally Posted By sparkyD: I don't have enough time behavior the .22 Nosler to give a good answer. Now a bolt action with a long enough magazine to set heavy bullets might be interesting. View Quote In a bolt gun you might as well go straight to 22 Creedmoor.
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Posted: 10/7/2017 7:46:47 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
In a bolt gun you might as well go straight to 22 Creedmoor.

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Originally Posted By sparkyD:
I don't have enough time behavior the .22 Nosler to give a good answer. Now a bolt action with a long enough magazine to set heavy bullets might be interesting.

In a bolt gun you might as well go straight to 22 Creedmoor.

Yeah or .22 Texas trophy hunter. But I just don't have the drive yet to jump on that project.

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BLDTYLRY Joined May 2009 Posts 467 EE 0% (0) WA, USA	Posted: 10/8/2017 1:22:23 AM EDT [#13] Quote History Originally Posted By Combat_Jack: AR barrels are cheap, and 2000 rounds is a lot. View Quote BSF $600 Proof $800 Telyudine Straight Jacket $800+donor barrel WOA $400 Ballistic Advantage $300 BHW $450 2000 rounds is not a lot.

Combat_Jack Ultimus Romanorum Joined Dec 2001 Posts 90855 EE 100% (27) USA	Posted: 10/8/2017 1:31:58 AM EDT [#14] Quote History Originally Posted By BLDTYLRY: BSF $600 Proof $800 Telyudine Straight Jacket $800+donor barrel WOA $400 Ballistic Advantage $300 BHW $450 2000 rounds is not a lot. View Quote It is, and $400 barrels are cheap.
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muvef Joined Mar 2013 Posts 666 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 10/8/2017 7:29:07 AM EDT [#15] I've read the 22 Nosler chews up brass so bad it isn't reloadable. Just something you may want to check on. I have no hands on experience with the cartridge.

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Posted: 10/8/2017 10:07:06 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By muvef:
I've read the 22 Nosler chews up brass so bad it isn't reloadable. Just something you may want to check on. I have no hands on experience with the cartridge.

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Was thinking that too, especially in a gas gun. However, not to the point of the brass being non-re-loadable.

Cheap barrels, shit you can get a complete upper from Midway for $320. Beat the shit of out the cheap barrel first to see if you like the round, then spend the money on the good stuff.

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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:15:40 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
.224 Valkyrie would let you use longer bullets.

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THIS !

I used to think I wanted a .22 Nosler... but if the Valkyrie works out... I would buy one of those first.

Big difference in BC.... less wind deflection and less bullet drop.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/10/06/ar-15s-creedmoor-224-valkyrie-vs-22-nosler-6-5-grendel-modern-intermediate-calibers-025/

Quote from the linked article...

"So, wait, the .224 Valkyrie is an AR-15 compatible round that gives you .22 Nosler performance up close, 6.5 Grendel energy retention, and 6.5 Creedmoor drop and drift at 1,000m? Well, these are just estimates, but… Yeah, looks that way."

If that works out... we have a winner ( IMHO )

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BLDTYLRY

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Posted: 10/11/2017 7:28:09 PM EDT

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The ballistics comparison is between bullets (77gr SMK vs 90 VLD) not necessarily between cartridges. As the article above mentioned, the 22 Nosler case capacity is 1.3grs more H2O than the 224 Valkyrie modeled cartridge since the specs are not yet published. So technically, if the 22 Nosler is used with a 90gr bullet, it should beat the Valkyrie since it has more case capacity. Also, the data in the article was based on a 20” Barrel. Running a 24” Barrel should get a 50-100fps increase in velocity.

Funny how the article talks about the Six8 Mags and loading out to 2.30” since that is what I will be doing.

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Posted: 10/11/2017 10:50:33 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By BLDTYLRY:
The ballistics comparison is between bullets (77gr SMK vs 90 VLD) not necessarily between cartridges. As the article above mentioned, the 22 Nosler case capacity is 1.3grs more H2O than the 224 Valkyrie modeled cartridge since the specs are not yet published. So technically, if the 22 Nosler is used with a 90gr bullet, it should beat the Valkyrie since it has more case capacity. Also, the data in the article was based on a 20” Barrel. Running a 24” Barrel should get a 50-100fps increase in velocity.

Funny how the article talks about the Six8 Mags and loading out to 2.30” since that is what I will be doing.

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I am curious as to your results with a 90gr SMK, could you let us know how far into your .22 Nosler case the 90gr extends in order to function in a mag and if the neck of the .22 Nosler can fully grasp the bullet... not parts of the ogive.

I have always wanted a faster .224 AR15 rifle.... hopefully the velocity claims can be met.

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BLDTYLRY Joined May 2009 Posts 469 EE 0% (0) WA, USA	Posted: 10/12/2017 1:47:19 AM EDT [#20] Was only planning to run 40gr, 55gr, and 77gr bullets being that I’m getting a 8-Twist barrel. 90gr could be an issue and from what I’ve read a 7-twist is preferred. I will try the 90gr and post back. Still another 2-weeks until the barrel ships.

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Posted: 10/13/2017 5:49:59 PM EDT

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So today I priced out a Larue tactical Ultimate upper kit. it came out to like 790$. I'm probably gonna go this route and later down the road add a .223 AI barrel for it. Seems like I can use a standard barrel in it with their barrel nut. I like the looks of that upper and for the kit it is priced right. I should end up with a top notch shooter.

Thanks everyone for the information.

Scott

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bfoosh06 Member Joined Sep 2008 Posts 5994 EE 0% (0) NT, USA	Posted: 10/14/2017 9:16:38 AM EDT [#22] Let us know how it shoots !
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223Rem Founding Member AWMA Joined Jan 2002 Posts 9912 EE 100% (1515) NJ, USA	Posted: 10/14/2017 9:43:54 AM EDT [#23] 22 Nosler brass is on sale @ Midway for $103/250. (2) bags of that, Hornady dies, (4) mags and the clearance upper for $293 just happened to be in my cart.
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Scotts556 Boobs and gunzzzz Joined Jul 2009 Posts 2883 EE 100% (51) TX, USA	Posted: 10/14/2017 12:33:20 PM EDT [#24] I for sure will do a report on the Larue kit. Its a hell of a steal for what you get at that price. Just need to figure out glass for it. Scott
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Vespid_Wasp Go on, say something clever. Joined Nov 2006 Posts 8954 EE 100% (14) IN, USA	Posted: 10/19/2017 2:02:17 PM EDT [#25] Quote History Originally Posted By Turtle556: IMHO I would go with the .223 Akley Improved. It also gives .22/250 velocities and you use 223 brass. The only issue is fire forming, it wood still be cheaper than .22 Nosler. Not sure how it would do with the heavy bullets. View Quote Neither 223 Ackley nor 22 Nosler gives 22-250 velocity.
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