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Originally Posted By moregrip: Went to the local range Sunday morning (just some pistol stuff) and asked about their long range shooting capability while I was there......currently, they are limited to 200 yards with plans to expand in the future (500 or so). Once I get the irons on (waiting on the larger timing nut) I'll give it a go! View Quote You could have put a few rounds to ensure function my 308ar from PSA hasn't been sighted in only functioned tested. |
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Originally Posted By moregrip: Excellent. Sounds like that JP buffer system works well. I'll have to do some research on it; curious how it compares to the standard setup.... View Quote Like it so much my 6mm CM and 6.5 Grendel run them too |
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Originally Posted By moregrip: Hey, good news, the larger timing nut showed up, so now I can install the muzzle brake and front sight; hoping I can line everything up perfectly....lol https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51300553692_fd3b08237e_c.jpg View Quote Cool waiting on pictures! |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Originally Posted By moregrip: lol, well, murphy strikes again: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51304559853_539e5e1341_c.jpg View Quote I hate to ask what kinda atrocities you committed in your prior life. It looks like you gave Murphy a super wedgy in jr high and he’s never forgot it! |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Originally Posted By sparkyD: I hate to ask what kinda atrocities you committed in your prior life. It looks like you gave Murphy a super wedgy in jr high and he’s never forgot it! View Quote lol, I hope it was at least something fun! Fingers crossed the wait won't be too long for a replacement! |
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That .... is one long barrel !!
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Originally Posted By moregrip: Got the muzzle brake and sights mounted today; did my best to get them level.....I'm real close! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51316484740_df741a53eb_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51316476450_580b1846f9_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51314732067_66d6d846dd_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51316197994_fb7f7be178_c.jpg View Quote It does look kinda sexy without a scope... |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Originally Posted By sparkyD: It does look kinda sexy without a scope... View Quote Thanks man. I'm sure it's not most peoples cup of tea being a distance rifle running the 24" barrel with no scope.......but I like it. Forces me to do some training on iron sights and scratches an itch at the same time! Next decision is rifle bag or bipod...... On another note, standing and holding the rifle really highlights how heavy that barrel is.....beastly. |
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Originally Posted By moregrip: Thanks man. I'm sure it's not most peoples cup of tea being a distance rifle running the 24" barrel with no scope.......but I like it. Forces me to do some training on iron sights and scratches an itch at the same time! Next decision is rifle bag or bipod...... On another note, standing and holding the rifle really highlights how heavy that barrel is.....beastly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By moregrip: Originally Posted By sparkyD: It does look kinda sexy without a scope... Thanks man. I'm sure it's not most peoples cup of tea being a distance rifle running the 24" barrel with no scope.......but I like it. Forces me to do some training on iron sights and scratches an itch at the same time! Next decision is rifle bag or bipod...... On another note, standing and holding the rifle really highlights how heavy that barrel is.....beastly. Next thing really needs to be what target can you see the best. With open sights I would use a Bull bag. Your going to have to learn a little different discipline vs staying on target with an optic. The longer you stay on sight picture with open sights the more eye strain will effect your hold. The Bull bag should cradle the rifle a bit better when you return to sight picture. Once you master the Bull bag bipods or tripods. Edit: I like a solid black 24” round steel plate for the Sharps with diopter vernier sights. Circle within a circle. It’s surprisingly easy after a while to get out to 400 yards off hand on the 24” plate. But the set trigger is the key for success when you hovering through the sight picture. |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Originally Posted By sparkyD: ... Edit: I like a solid black 24” round steel plate for the Sharps with diopter vernier sights. Circle within a circle. It’s surprisingly easy after a while to get out to 400 yards off hand on the 24” plate. But the set trigger is the key for success when you hovering through the sight picture. View Quote When shooting irons at this distance, does one dial that distance on the rear sight or hold over? I've never shot irons at that distance so don't know. OP, my 6.5 Creedmoor also has a 24" heavy barrel. I've never shot it offhand. |
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Knight of Blunder - Fogo '21
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Originally Posted By moregrip: ... Next decision is rifle bag or bipod...... ... View Quote My vote is bipod. It's always with the rifle. I haven't shot mine with a bag, but I get adequate results with the bipod, so that's what I'll continue to use. Attached File |
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Knight of Blunder - Fogo '21
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Originally Posted By moregrip: Thanks man. I'm sure it's not most peoples cup of tea being a distance rifle running the 24" barrel with no scope.......but I like it. Forces me to do some training on iron sights and scratches an itch at the same time! Next decision is rifle bag or bipod...... On another note, standing and holding the rifle really highlights how heavy that barrel is.....beastly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By moregrip: Originally Posted By sparkyD: It does look kinda sexy without a scope... Thanks man. I'm sure it's not most peoples cup of tea being a distance rifle running the 24" barrel with no scope.......but I like it. Forces me to do some training on iron sights and scratches an itch at the same time! Next decision is rifle bag or bipod...... On another note, standing and holding the rifle really highlights how heavy that barrel is.....beastly. Have you got to the range yet? |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Originally Posted By sparkyD: Have you got to the range yet? View Quote Murphy struck again! Monsoon season here lately and sprung a leak on my 7 year old roof! Been sweatin to the oldies in the attic building walkways and tending to the leak and subsequent damage. Hopefully wrap that goodness up this weekend so I can get back to more important things like some range time! |
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Roof leak is fixed and just in time! Found a flex duct leak while I was up there, so I bit more to do unfortunately.
However, I did order 100 rounds of the Hornady American Whitetail 6.5 Creedmoor 129 Gr. Interlock for my first range trip. Ammo prices seem to be coming down but still a bit steep. I should probably add some type of a brass catcher or smart setup to save whatever brass I use.....maybe worth it for me to try some reloading in the future. Still going back and fourth between shooting bags or a bipod. Since I have no experience with ether I suppose the smart choice might be to try both......still contemplating... from Hornady, American Whitetail 6.5 Creedmoor 129 Gr. Interlock TEST BARREL (24") MUZZLE.......VELOCITY(FPS)......TRAJECTORY(INCHES) 100 YARDS.......2615............................1.8 200 YARDS.......2419..............................0 The rear sight is BDC'd for 308; hoping to figure all that out in 100 rounds or so! |
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Quick update: Ammo showed up so I have the hundred rounds of Hornaday 129 grain interlock for range day. Been a busy few weeks with a few planned surgeries in the family taking place so focusing on supporting those that need it. Probably be another week of so before I have the time and head space to enjoy a few hours with the rifle.
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Took delivery of my shooting bag, Caldwell tackdriver.....except the box was way smaller than I thought it would be. Lesson learned, order a filled bag!
Bag filler en-route! |
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Originally Posted By moregrip: Took delivery of my shooting bag, Caldwell tackdriver.....except the box was way smaller than I thought it would be. Lesson learned, order a filled bag! Bag filler en-route! View Quote Man I have heard this so many times yet it’s still kinda funny. I’ve seen bags filled with kitty litter sand lead shot beans and rice bb’s and airsoft bb’s. I’ve even seen a couple people put silicone caulk into. Actually worked pretty good on the front bag. Dried hard didn’t leak when the front sling stud wore a hole. |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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I used airsoft BBs for my rear bag. Keeps the bag pretty light.
I had a cheap Caldwell front bag that I left in the garage. A damned mouse chewed a hole in it to get to whatever type of hull used for the fill. Lesson learned. |
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Knight of Blunder - Fogo '21
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That plastic fill kinda looks like rodent poison…
Great thread by the way! |
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Originally Posted By moregrip: I used approx 23-ish of the 25lb box of plastic fill product I found on ebay, lol, bag has some weight to it! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51393141729_8edf1dd241_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51391680992_f84d0c331a_c.jpg I swear those pellets look like asbestos! View Quote Looks like the same stuff I used, and yep, that bag is a heavy sumbitch! |
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Well, I set up the rifle on the shooting bag on the kitchen table to do some pre-range familiarization and I realized I'm going to need a cheek riser on this stock or get a stock with an adjustable cheek riser on it. I seem to be about a 1/4" - 1/2" low (line of sight) for the irons.
Also the rifle sits a bit low on the bag for my liking (probably just my arthritis doesn't like it) Any suggestions? It's pretty darn interesting just how much thought and attention to details I didn't even know would be a "thing" goes into this......that's before even firing it! |
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Originally Posted By bfoosh06: I'm pretty sure you have read this before.. but it bears revisiting. A large frame AR does take more "training / skill " to shoot well then a bolt gun or a AR15. Make sure your bench techniques are GTG, no adjusting after the first fired round.. none, let the groups be off your point of aim. You are looking for groups at that moment ...and hold the trigger back longer( after firing ) then you'd think needed. And for me , I shoot better off a bag than a bipod... so be sure to try both. YMMV !! Remember , your barrel may not "like" your first , second, or third ammo tried. Don't have expectations about your barrel "needing" to shoot your chosen ammo well. In other words don't give up, based on ammo that another's barrel shot well with. ( Barrels are fussy... and if someone could make the perfect repeatable precision barrel, they would be rich. ) Always try your OEM setup prior to adding anything, remember to allow a decent break in period, with decent lube used.... with that said... Lots of Large Frame barrels tend to be over gassed... a Adj. GB can help tame them. Over gassed can cause various feeding , ejection, and cycling issues from the action running to fast. Buy a quality Adj. GB. Given the current cost of ammo... the added cost can be a bargain. When buying a scope, I ( and my older eyes ) prefer Front Focal Plane. And I use "Christmas Tree" reticles. I ( YMMV ) prefer the center of the dead center of the crosshairs to be empty, so I can see my point of aim., rather then it being covered by the crosshairs. Try to find a shooting range that has the target largely surrounded by loose dirt, it will be easier to dial in your scope, if you can see where the misses are hitting. Just a few thoughts. Keep us posted on your experiences ! View Quote There is a whole lot of truth and wisdom to this post. Frankly, over the years, I've come to a harsh realization - the AR10 kind of sucks. Well, I guess that came across a bit strong. I guess I mean to say, it's not the platform I thought it would be, for me. The AR platform is amazing in the small AR15 frame system. So one would think it should be great in the bigger AR10 platform. It's not. Obviously a personal preference item but suffice to say, I just don't care for the AR10 as much as I thought I would. The dimensions just aren't quite right for me. It wasn't until I switched to an MDRx that I found a large-frame platform I really enjoyed. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: There is a whole lot of truth and wisdom to this post. Frankly, over the years, I've come to a harsh realization - the AR10 kind of sucks. Well, I guess that came across a bit strong. I guess I mean to say, it's not the platform I thought it would be, for me. The AR platform is amazing in the small AR15 frame system. So one would think it should be great in the bigger AR10 platform. It's not. Obviously a personal preference item but suffice to say, I just don't care for the AR10 as much as I thought I would. The dimensions just aren't quite right for me. It wasn't until I switched to an MDRx that I found a large-frame platform I really enjoyed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By bfoosh06: I'm pretty sure you have read this before.. but it bears revisiting. A large frame AR does take more "training / skill " to shoot well then a bolt gun or a AR15. Make sure your bench techniques are GTG, no adjusting after the first fired round.. none, let the groups be off your point of aim. You are looking for groups at that moment ...and hold the trigger back longer( after firing ) then you'd think needed. And for me , I shoot better off a bag than a bipod... so be sure to try both. YMMV !! Remember , your barrel may not "like" your first , second, or third ammo tried. Don't have expectations about your barrel "needing" to shoot your chosen ammo well. In other words don't give up, based on ammo that another's barrel shot well with. ( Barrels are fussy... and if someone could make the perfect repeatable precision barrel, they would be rich. ) Always try your OEM setup prior to adding anything, remember to allow a decent break in period, with decent lube used.... with that said... Lots of Large Frame barrels tend to be over gassed... a Adj. GB can help tame them. Over gassed can cause various feeding , ejection, and cycling issues from the action running to fast. Buy a quality Adj. GB. Given the current cost of ammo... the added cost can be a bargain. When buying a scope, I ( and my older eyes ) prefer Front Focal Plane. And I use "Christmas Tree" reticles. I ( YMMV ) prefer the center of the dead center of the crosshairs to be empty, so I can see my point of aim., rather then it being covered by the crosshairs. Try to find a shooting range that has the target largely surrounded by loose dirt, it will be easier to dial in your scope, if you can see where the misses are hitting. Just a few thoughts. Keep us posted on your experiences ! There is a whole lot of truth and wisdom to this post. Frankly, over the years, I've come to a harsh realization - the AR10 kind of sucks. Well, I guess that came across a bit strong. I guess I mean to say, it's not the platform I thought it would be, for me. The AR platform is amazing in the small AR15 frame system. So one would think it should be great in the bigger AR10 platform. It's not. Obviously a personal preference item but suffice to say, I just don't care for the AR10 as much as I thought I would. The dimensions just aren't quite right for me. It wasn't until I switched to an MDRx that I found a large-frame platform I really enjoyed. I went from the M1A to the AR10 and quickly discovered the Large from AR was less forgiving. It will dang sure make you revisit your fundamental shooting positions and fallow through. It kinda reminds me of shooting a compound bow. |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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After a bit of research I ordered a Luth MBA-3 stock for my Carbine (A5) bufffer tube. Seems like it will allow me to put the cheek rest high enough to look through the irons comfortably without having the "crane" my neck.
https://www.luth-ar.com/product/mba-3/ Hoping to have it by weeks end. |
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I dont currently shoot beyond about 400 yards, so while I enjoy reading about long range shooting, I haven't bothered to build anything yet. Just out of curiosity, why did you put an angled foregrip on it? It's primarily a bench rest gun. Sort of seems like added weight/expense that serves no purpose. Not criticizing. Just wondering
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Originally Posted By Stowe: I dont currently shoot beyond about 400 yards, so while I enjoy reading about long range shooting, I haven't bothered to build anything yet. Just out of curiosity, why did you put an angled foregrip on it? It's primarily a bench rest gun. Sort of seems like added weight/expense that serves no purpose. Not criticizing. Just wondering View Quote My local range only goes out to 200 yards (for now anyway) and that seems far enough to me so I'll start in the 50 to 200 yard arena and see how I like it. The angled foregrip is there so I can fire the rifle from a standing position a bit more comfortably. At least that's my idea. Couple of things I noticed, it does interfere with the way the rifle sits on the shooting bag so much so it seemed a bit odd, and also, she's a bit front end heavy ta'boot so not real sure how well I could do that anyway. I'm rethinking the angled foregrip and may go a different route. One of the things I'm learning about setting the rifle up after the build; it takes a few tries (for me at least) to figure out what I like best or what feels the best. |
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I get that. The first one I built went through a lot of changes. I still have it and still use it often, it's just evolved (and probably not done changing yet. You know, the Lego comment and all
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Originally Posted By moregrip: Well I think she's just about ready to go. Looking forward to putting some rounds down-range. The adjustable cheek pad did the trick and the bipod seems real nice! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51486803362_0067c07fb8_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51486803412_e048781558_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51487810318_b8018b9119_c.jpg View Quote That thing does look awesome! |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Originally Posted By sparkyD: That thing does look awesome! View Quote Thank you! I'm happy with how it turned out and the UTG overbore bipod has a quick detach function that should make it easier to switch from bipod to bag. "fingers crossed" it functions ok. I also have a brass catcher I need to install on it to save as many of the cases I can since 6.5CM isn't the most cost effective ammo. |
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Come on, man--get out there and shoot that thing! The wait is killing us!
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Knight of Blunder - Fogo '21
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Originally Posted By Scott_S: Come on, man--get out there and shoot that thing! The wait is killing us! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Scott_S: Come on, man--get out there and shoot that thing! The wait is killing us! Originally Posted By sparkyD: I second this motion Gents, thank you, I'm chompin at the bit too! Couple of things I'm not liking. The Luth stock fits a bit loose on the milspec buffer tube, nothing crazy just a bit too loose for my liking. Also, I ordered a more "precision style" grip and the fit is not at all what I was hoping for. Lastly, I removed the angled fore grip and QD mount from the handguard; I have another idea on that. So that's where I'm at with it; which is to say, almost there! |
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Quick update:
I spent most of last weekend modifying the more "long range shooting style" grip I purchased to get it to fit the Aero lower correctly. After modding it for quite some time/trial and error type stuff, I believe I figured out the issue. Unfortunately the grip was/is no longer usable due to my exploitative modifications. That said, the grip manufacturer is sending out a new grip and once here I'll now know how to better proceed. More to follow and pics! On a side note: I went to the range on base and shot a buddies M&P 308 and I could tell just with the few shots I took, and like many have advised here, shooting discipline/fundamentals will be critical! |
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Great looking !
Interested in your shooting results. ( Remember your barrel might prefer a different ammo .. so don't judge the first groups as the barrels full potential. ) |
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
JAFOM.... Just another fat old man. ________________________________ TOGC,IADC |
Originally Posted By bfoosh06: Great looking ! Interested in your shooting results. ( Remember your barrel might prefer a different ammo .. so don't judge the first groups as the barrels full potential. ) View Quote Thank you and thanks for the reminder, I will bring at least two types of ammo (hopefully more). Forgot to mention, the bipod also has a QD release for switching from bipod to bag. |
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small update; got me a few of those 10 round magazines....not sure why but it seemed like the right thing to do. I sort of correlate 10 rounds with half a box of ammo so maybe that was it!
Also, decided to try 2 strips of velcro on the buffer tube to snug up the stock.....uh.....turned out waaay better then I expected....solid. Still trying to track down some more ammo types. No luck so far but I think I've been waiting long enough. If I can't get anything else by the weekend I'll just go there with what I have! Wish me luck! |
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Originally Posted By ct78: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WLBrXQ6ttLw/Uk33eaCaw8I/AAAAAAAADYw/O4cPEQbF924/s1600/FinShaggy+(74).jpg EDIT: just having a bit of fun, go shoot it before the year ends! View Quote I've never been accused of finishing projects quickly.....blessing and a curse! BTW, I laugh at myself all the time brother! EDIT: speaking of which, I did find one more small thing I want to do to the rifle....not sure how well it will work out but might as well give it a try! |
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