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Posted: 4/10/2020 7:06:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Blackfoot_7]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By binthere: I have a revision B MIRS rail as well but no screws with it. I know they are 8-40 threads but cant find what the proper length of the screws should be. I also am not sure what the angled set screw dimensions are. Can anyone help me with that info? Thanks. @binthere 8-40 .360 Torx Screws I ordered a 12 pack from Brownells. I have extras if you need some. |
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Posted: 4/10/2020 10:18:12 PM EDT
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I took some pictures and had some guys with much more experience than me look at my mod 5 I recently got from Allen Brown. The barrel contour is absolutely ridiculous. It appears to have been done by hand. I’ve come to the realization I have no confidence in the weapon. I will order a new barrel on Monday from Lilja and ship it all off to be completely gone through. I have no idea why he put out work like this. I’m not going to waste time dwelling on it. Hopefully I can just get it fixed and put it behind me.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2020 10:28:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: USMCSGT0331]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: I took some pictures and had some guys with much more experience than me look at my mod 5 I recently got from Allen Brown. The barrel contour is absolutely ridiculous. It appears to have been done by hand. I've come to the realization I have no confidence in the weapon. I will order a new barrel on Monday from Lilja and ship it all off to be completely gone through. I have no idea why he put out work like this. I'm not going to waste time dwelling on it. Hopefully I can just get it fixed and put it behind me. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/330914/9C79EF12-0607-4D08-A6E5-780989654FE6_jpe-1361616.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/330914/FD984B4E-1C0F-4B7B-B4C7-ACBDF6B2E1A9_jpe-1361619.JPG Damn, that really sucks! 2+ years and a ton of money lead to that abomination, Alan needs to send you a complete refund! Please have your new gunsmith send you pics of any other problems when he pulls the gun apart. I would bet that there are numbers stamped into the chamber end of the barrel because he didn't cut it correctly and the receiver was probably never trued. Unfortunately, you might not be able to salvage that barrel, you'll need a new Lilja blank. |
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Posted: 4/10/2020 11:09:43 PM EDT
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that Alan guy drunk or something ?
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Posted: 4/11/2020 2:12:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: I took some pictures and had some guys with much more experience than me look at my mod 5 I recently got from Allen Brown. The barrel contour is absolutely ridiculous. It appears to have been done by hand. I’ve come to the realization I have no confidence in the weapon. I will order a new barrel on Monday from Lilja and ship it all off to be completely gone through. I have no idea why he put out work like this. I’m not going to waste time dwelling on it. Hopefully I can just get it fixed and put it behind me. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/330914/9C79EF12-0607-4D08-A6E5-780989654FE6_jpe-1361616.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/330914/FD984B4E-1C0F-4B7B-B4C7-ACBDF6B2E1A9_jpe-1361619.JPG You’re not the only one out there getting “Browned” I feel real bad for anyone getting one of these back right now. |
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Posted: 4/11/2020 9:19:12 AM EDT
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I’ll call Lilja for a barrel Monday. I’ve been directed to another smith. I’m just going to have him replace the barrel and redo the whole build. Be done with it. At least I didn’t blow my MK11 can off the end of it or something like that.
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Posted: 4/11/2020 11:22:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: I’ll call Lilja for a barrel Monday. I’ve been directed to another smith. I’m just going to have him replace the barrel and redo the whole build. Be done with it. At least I didn’t blow my MK11 can off the end of it or something like that. Have you shot the rifle? If so how does she run? |
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Posted: 4/11/2020 1:59:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Infidel4life11: Have you shot the rifle? If so how does she run? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Infidel4life11: Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg: I’ll call Lilja for a barrel Monday. I’ve been directed to another smith. I’m just going to have him replace the barrel and redo the whole build. Be done with it. At least I didn’t blow my MK11 can off the end of it or something like that. Have you shot the rifle? If so how does she run? I’m afraid to. That’s why I say I have no confidence in the thing. The round count log shows he put 5 rounds through it but I don’t know if that was suppressed and I would absolutely not put my MK11 can on that and hope it was ok. I’ll just take a step back, get it squared away and be good to go. |
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Posted: 4/11/2020 7:22:58 PM EDT
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is there others that can build that gun to spec ? this kinda shit sucks.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2020 8:01:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: USMCSGT0331]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1: is there others that can build that gun to spec ? this kinda shit sucks. Raven Rifles RWS Gunsmithing No particular order, I'd go with any of these guys, they do exceptional work |
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Posted: 4/11/2020 8:22:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: I’m afraid to. That’s why I say I have no confidence in the thing. The round count log shows he put 5 rounds through it but I don’t know if that was suppressed and I would absolutely not put my MK11 can on that and hope it was ok. I’ll just take a step back, get it squared away and be good to go. Smart, I was only asking because of the amount of copper in the bore. I was curious to see if it grouped. |
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DEU
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Posted: 4/13/2020 6:52:55 AM EDT
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Stuck inside... at least i now have time to prep cases and prepare some new loads...
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Posted: 4/16/2020 10:18:56 PM EDT
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that is nice
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2020 10:28:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: USMCSGT0331]
[#14]
Sending everything to the gunsmith!
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Posted: 4/17/2020 1:57:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCSGT0331: Sending everything to Red Bull Armory! https://i.imgur.com/1R3diSA.jpg I’ll take the tan one in the middle 
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Posted: 4/17/2020 11:40:24 PM EDT
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"This gun is 1 of 2 privately owned Surgeon CSR rifles pulled from a USSOCOM contract in the 2013-2015 timeframe (of 30-40 total built). It is a Surgeon SA/MSR action on a Remington RACS chassis. It is chambered in 7.62 Nato and comes with a Bartlein SS MTU 16" and 24" serial matching 1:8 twist barrel with AWC suppressor mount brakes. It is wearing a Schmidt & Bender 3-20 Ultra short in a Spuhr mount. The coating on the rifle is a proprietary non-reflective color. The rifle uses a Jewel trigger that is amazing in itself."
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2020 12:39:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: USMCSGT0331]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coldsnap: "This gun is 1 of 2 privately owned Surgeon CSR rifles pulled from a USSOCOM contract in the 2013-2015 timeframe (of 30-40 total built). It is a Surgeon SA/MSR action on a Remington RACS chassis. It is chambered in 7.62 Nato and comes with a Bartlein SS MTU 16" and 24" serial matching 1:8 twist barrel with AWC suppressor mount brakes. It is wearing a Schmidt & Bender 3-20 Ultra short in a Spuhr mount. The coating on the rifle is a proprietary non-reflective color. The rifle uses a Jewel trigger that is amazing in itself." <a href="[url]https://i.postimg.cc/HxTqzhDn/DSC02868-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Y0sTp24L/DSC02869-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/gcSCysMc/DSC02870-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/KjzdS3Yy/DSC02873-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/9FDvL9Sd/DSC02874-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qvnWTTpg/DSC02875-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/1tMLjrsH/DSC02876-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/DyRRHZkt/DSC02878-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hG1wX1zB/DSC02881-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/W4vCpH48/DSC02883-1.jpg">https://i.postimg.cc/HxTqzhDn/DSC02868-1.jpg">[url=https://postimg.cc/06HX2ZN1]https://i.postimg.cc/HxTqzhDn/DSC02868-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Y0sTp24L/DSC02869-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/gcSCysMc/DSC02870-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/KjzdS3Yy/DSC02873-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/9FDvL9Sd/DSC02874-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qvnWTTpg/DSC02875-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/1tMLjrsH/DSC02876-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/DyRRHZkt/DSC02878-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hG1wX1zB/DSC02881-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/W4vCpH48/DSC02883-1.jpg There were 2 pulled off the line when they were originally produced, I know one of the guys who has one. There's also a couple more floating around that were used for government testing, a friend picked up one of those rifles last year, it even has a carbon fiber forend that was made by Lancer! I asked Frank Green about these guns a few years ago, he said that Bartlein barreled about 100 of these contract rifles. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 6:12:49 PM EDT
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RWS is good people, screw that Alan guy
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCSGT0331: Red Bull Armory LRI Raven Rifles RWS Gunsmithing No particular order, I'd go with any of these guys, they do exceptional work |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 7:01:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wayfaerer320]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCSGT0331: Sending everything to Red Bull Armory! https://i.imgur.com/1R3diSA.jpg I love old school Mk13s (second from bottom) - such classic cool looking sniper rifles. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2020 6:23:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coldsnap: "This gun is 1 of 2 privately owned Surgeon CSR rifles pulled from a USSOCOM contract in the 2013-2015 timeframe (of 30-40 total built). It is a Surgeon SA/MSR action on a Remington RACS chassis. It is chambered in 7.62 Nato and comes with a Bartlein SS MTU 16" and 24" serial matching 1:8 twist barrel with AWC suppressor mount brakes. It is wearing a Schmidt & Bender 3-20 Ultra short in a Spuhr mount. The coating on the rifle is a proprietary non-reflective color. The rifle uses a Jewel trigger that is amazing in itself." |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2020 10:35:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tim_in_CO: I haven't done much research on the detailed specs of the XM-3. What does the H-OCG stamping refer to? So the original rifles would have been marked with H-IBA (Iron Brigade Armory) as the proof of the rifle and whether or not it was functional or not. My smilth's company is Outback Custom Guns so he puts OCG instead of IBA as he doesn't work for them now. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/4/2020 7:11:13 PM EDT
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If anyone picked up Mk13 Mod 0 kit #4301 from @USMCSGT0331 please hit me up. It was the one with the monopod attached.
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2020 8:43:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns: If anyone picked up Mk13 Mod 0 kit #4301 from @USMCSGT0331 please hit me up. It was the one with the monopod attached. I have that rifle, I'm sending you a PM! |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2020 1:53:05 PM EDT
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Mod 5 owners with Nightforce 56mm scopes, what size scope rings are y’all running? I’m bouncing between Ultralite High (1.125), Intermediate (1.265) and X-High (1.375)
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:37:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mra4523: Mod 5 owners with Nightforce 56mm scopes, what size scope rings are y'all running? I'm bouncing between Ultralite High (1.125), Intermediate (1.265) and X-High (1.375) |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 3:48:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Blackfoot_7]
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MK11 Mod 0 was added to the arsenal. Looks good with the M24.
   
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Posted: 5/18/2020 11:30:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blackfoot_7: MK11 Mod 0 was added to the arsenal. Looks good with the M24. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/4218/JL3Un6.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/466/1EUm56.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/521/rIRFR9.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/5316/XElWnw.jpg That is sexy as shit, I'm a sucker for some SIMRAD cap action. Weird, I know I immediately shitcanned the PVS-30 after comparing it to my newly acquired KN203.
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Posted: 5/27/2020 7:21:50 PM EDT
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Larry Vickers has a couple rifles going up for auction at Rock Island in a week or so.
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Posted: 5/27/2020 7:38:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wayfaerer320]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: Larry Vickers has a couple rifles going up for auction at Rock Island in a week or so. Interesting. Guessing he'd rather have the cabbage than hang onto those collector's pieces - lot of really really nice rifles and MGs in there. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 7:54:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Interesting. Guessing he'd rather have the cabbage than hang onto those collector's pieces - lot of really really nice rifles and MGs in there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Larry Vickers has a couple rifles going up for auction at Rock Island in a week or so. Interesting. Guessing he'd rather have the cabbage than hang onto those collector's pieces - lot of really really nice rifles and MGs in there. Either he's got some seriously cool other toys, or is making way for some. Hard to be cooler than a Stoner 63 though. 
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Posted: 5/28/2020 1:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: Larry Vickers has a couple rifles going up for auction at Rock Island in a week or so. $3000-$5000 for a M40A1 with a Unert? That has to be a way low estimate. |
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Posted: 5/28/2020 2:23:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tim_in_CO: $3000-$5000 for a M40A1 with a Unert? That has to be a way low estimate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tim_in_CO: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Larry Vickers has a couple rifles going up for auction at Rock Island in a week or so. $3000-$5000 for a M40A1 with a Unert? That has to be a way low estimate. 20-30k for a Stoner 63 seems low too. 
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Posted: 6/4/2020 4:43:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1: RWS is good people, screw that Alan guy Yeah Jesus, F Alan Brown. I sent in a gun almost 3 years ago, with an estimated 6-9month build time. I figured fine, he's got a good rep, but it will probably be late if he's busy cuz he's got a good rep. Checked in at 9 months, well blah blah blah health excuses. Ok, I'm not unreasonable. Waited 6 months, checked again, same shit. Well now I'm like ~1.5 years in and figuring, jesus it MUST be soon. Check in at ~2 years, and told "its in process". Ok, now we're getting somewhere, Figure I'll check back in 3 months, nope, no joy, 6 months no joy. Start reading about "problems" with him. Great... Start trying to contact him once a month by email, phone, facebook etc. Finally 2 months ago! Ping! I'll send your parts next week. Then, nothing, nothing, A month later, sorry been sick... Finally a month after that I get a photo of box with a tracking number. Open it up yup, all my parts still there entirely untouched, with a few rusty spots (no big deal but still)… If anyone has a rifle with this guy, pull-the-fucking-cord. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 12:31:11 AM EDT
[#35]
what happened with this dude ?
he was good at first...bums me out. sad to hear. its hard enough to find dudes that build the cool shit. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 6/10/2020 12:30:03 AM EDT
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So I was trying to get a hold of Alan Brown since last December. With no luck, I sent him a couple more emails and phone calls hoping he would respond. After receiving nothing in return, it was suggested I contact the ATF office in Indiana and have them contact him. When the agent asked for the information, I give him Alan's contact, he says that name is familiar for some reason. Then he says 'Oh yeah. We had to contact him for another guy as well.' After the agent took a few days, I get a call back stating that Alan has no record of receiving my stuff by serial number, but to send him an email to confirm. If no response in five days to call the agent back. I sent Alan an email and within 24 hours I had a response from him saying he had my parts and was sending them back that week. Per tracking number they will be delivered tomorrow.
I hate to say it but if you can't get a hold of the man, the ATF sure can and quickly too. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 1:59:49 AM EDT
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funny how you need the ATF to get in touch with the guy... whats this dudes problem ?
if be livid if he had my shit and wouldn't respond. id go drive out and get it.. and it wouldn't be a pleasant meeting. its BS |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 6/17/2020 11:47:47 PM EDT
[#38]
Found one of those drag bag/shooting mats @blackfoot_7
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MN, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2020 9:12:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1: funny how you need the ATF to get in touch with the guy... whats this dudes problem ? if be livid if he had my shit and wouldn't respond. id go drive out and get it.. and it wouldn't be a pleasant meeting. its BS If anyone still needs to get their shit back from him, mention the ATF and lawyers, that's pretty much the only way to pull his head out of his ass. |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 6:46:37 PM EDT
[#40]
he did my gun I guess just before he had his mental breakdown.
im glad I didn't get screwed. for once I didn't. but man I feel bad for all the dudes that have a pounding headache from this asshole. it sucks. because its hard enough to find guys to build the cool shit. |
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Posted: 6/21/2020 1:34:42 PM EDT
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It’s really sad. Sad people are still dealing with this guy and sad he even went this way. My gun was fucked. Sent a brand new Lilja barrel and he trashed it. God knows what else was done. Mine is off to Chris Higgins at Red Bull Armory. I told him completely disassemble and rebuild it from scratch with a new barrel and send me the bill. Whatever needs to be done to make it the gun it should be. I paid Allen 1k plus, I’m a bit embarrassed by this but,I tipped him 200.00 also. I felt lucky to even get my gun built and I had no idea it’s condition. It seemed like it got built and the pictures looked great so I showed my appreciation. I’m also out probably another 200-300 in shipping back and forth. I’m going to let All that slide. Mainly because I got my gun back as fucked as it is but back none the less and I just don’t need another headache. I’m sure it will be another 1500 to get it rebuilt with a new barrel and all, but it is what it is. I hope the guy finds his way. We all get lost sometimes so I’m not throwing stones. That said he needs to get his shit together enough to at least get everyone their parts and deal with the money issues after that. I can’t believe the ATF has not paid him a visit. He is an FFL I assume. I’m 100% sure they know what’s going on. They have had calls and it’s posted on every forum there is. I really hope everyone gets closure soon. I know I would have flown to Indiana and paid him a visit if it came to it. Not to act like an ass, just show up in person and say I want my items back or I’m calling the Sheriff to get them back. Just on pure principle.
I just can’t believe I duck in here and it’s still going on. As someone in your shoes at one time I really hope you guys get your stuff and get it fast. Like I said I think the ATF needs to ends this. The whole thing is sad and unfortunate. I know that does not help guys still missing parts. There are just no words. |
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Posted: 6/21/2020 8:39:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: It’s really sad. Sad people are still dealing with this guy and sad he even went this way. My gun was fucked. Sent a brand new Lilja barrel and he trashed it. God knows what else was done. Mine is off to Chris Higgins at Red Bull Armory. I told him completely disassemble and rebuild it from scratch with a new barrel and send me the bill. Whatever needs to be done to make it the gun it should be. I paid Allen 1k plus, I’m a bit embarrassed by this but,I tipped him 200.00 also. I felt lucky to even get my gun built and I had no idea it’s condition. It seemed like it got built and the pictures looked great so I showed my appreciation. I’m also out probably another 200-300 in shipping back and forth. I’m going to let All that slide. Mainly because I got my gun back as fucked as it is but back none the less and I just don’t need another headache. I’m sure it will be another 1500 to get it rebuilt with a new barrel and all, but it is what it is. I hope the guy finds his way. We all get lost sometimes so I’m not throwing stones. That said he needs to get his shit together enough to at least get everyone their parts and deal with the money issues after that. I can’t believe the ATF has not paid him a visit. He is an FFL I assume. I’m 100% sure they know what’s going on. They have had calls and it’s posted on every forum there is. I really hope everyone gets closure soon. I know I would have flown to Indiana and paid him a visit if it came to it. Not to act like an ass, just show up in person and say I want my items back or I’m calling the Sheriff to get them back. Just on pure principle. I just can’t believe I duck in here and it’s still going on. As someone in your shoes at one time I really hope you guys get your stuff and get it fast. Like I said I think the ATF needs to ends this. The whole thing is sad and unfortunate. I know that does not help guys still missing parts. There are just no words. Holy shit. Out of curiosity, where at in Indiana? |
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Posted: 6/22/2020 9:42:43 AM EDT
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Bloomfield
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ND, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2020 10:37:03 PM EDT
[#44]
So I got my parts back from Alan Brown...untouched and lite rust. Contacted my XM-3 smith and he said no problem. He was thinking the mod 5 as that's what he had when he was working for MARSOC. He said he liked the Mod 1/3 design much better. So I now wait for another smith to build my rifle, however I know it will get done and be a tack driver when done. Five years including parts acquiring and I am now three months away from finally getting this thing built.
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Posted: 6/27/2020 12:03:08 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy: Found one of those drag bag/shooting mats @blackfoot_7 https://i.imgur.com/8KP0QaY.jpg Got one of them real MK13 stocks @Davey_Sickboy Nice. Watch the black coating on the interior stretch. It tends to flake off. Better to scrape it off when it starts to deteriorate. Other than that it's a kickass drag bag. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:30:01 AM EDT
[#46]
Any good 300wm recipes for their MK13 mod0?? 74gr of H1000 with 220gr SMK and 77.3gr H1000 with 208gr ELD seem to work good but can’t find H1000 anywhere. I’ve got plenty of other powders and bullet weights
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2020 6:13:19 PM EDT
[#47]
i have a surplus MK13 Mod 5 stock coming soon with MARS. Very excited to begin this build! Where should i begin about tracking down the proper prefix action? I have only started my research but i think that is really the only part i cannot just order new from a website.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2020 9:01:33 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xAZxE30x: i have a surplus MK13 Mod 5 stock coming soon with MARS. Very excited to begin this build! Where should i begin about tracking down the proper prefix action? I have only started my research but i think that is really the only part i cannot just order new from a website. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2020 10:14:13 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCSGT0331: Buy a G prefix donor rifle from gunbroker or at a local store, it should cost you roughly $500 to $700. Use the receiver, bolt and trigger on your build. ah yes, good call! Need to start asking some shops to see what they have |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 11:14:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tbturner47]
[#50]
Anyone have a lead on a mod 5 scope?
Also looking for a crane recoil lug as well |
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