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Posted: 8/28/2016 8:46:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
Do any of the three have an advantage in terms of effect on game? For game up to large deer or antelope, all three are equally effective. An avid hunter friend of mine swears by his 260 Rem for its lethalness. Mark Larue's daughter killed an elk at some crazy distance with a 308. A 308 will push heavier bullets, but the long 6.5 bullets carry their energy further. |
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Posted: 9/4/2016 12:23:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zach_:
Lots of people talk smack about this or that while they shoot their 3" - 100 yard groups with their God sent caliber. Are you one of those? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zach_:
Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
Here's another good article: http://www.gunsaddicts.com/is-the-308-dead-as-a-long-range-tactical-round/ Lots of people talk smack about this or that while they shoot their 3" - 100 yard groups with their God sent caliber. Are you one of those? Give me a break. 
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Posted: 9/4/2016 2:49:14 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lost_River:
That guy is a complete fucking TOOL. An excerpt from his article: "I would say that most people who say they regularly and ethically shoot deer past 300 yards are full of it. I’ve gotten some fantastic kills in the field on everything from coyote to boar, but even then my longest shot ever on a coyote was 440 yards with a .308. My average shot these days is a paltry 75 yards. The average total of all the game I’ve taken is only 110 yards. I challenge the credentials and honesty of anyone who claims to have a longer lifetime average than that. Shooting animals at long range isn’t funny and injuring an animal is cruel. If you hunt, do it right." So this guy hunts in areas where long range shots are not the norm, therefore he challenges the honesty and credentials of anyone who shoots further than he does. Give me a fucking break. The implication that anyone who shoots further than he does is a liar is ridiculous and certainly is an indicator of his self importance. He states his average shot is 75 yards. That probably is true in the area he hunts. That said, I hunt/live in the rural west. In the last DOZEN elk, I have had exactly ONE that was under 300 yards. Most were in the 350-450 yard range. That has nothing to do with any purported or alleged skills. It has to do with the terrain and environment I hunt, which is high desert to alpine range. Does this look like an environment where 75 yards is "average"? <a href="http://s18.photobucket.com/user/IV_Troop/media/2015%20ELK/ada916af-d2e5-41ac-9942-bf6071f4d56d_zpsa4md6wql.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/2015%20ELK/ada916af-d2e5-41ac-9942-bf6071f4d56d_zpsa4md6wql.jpg</a> It is readily apparent that the "author" is rather self absorbed, and self appointed "subject matter expert". Of course since the advent of the internet, virtually any twit can be an "author" and "SME". This guy fits that bill to a tee. What a joke. Great review of the article, made me laugh, thanks. As for a 75 yard shot in your hunting area, only if you're a ninja. |
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Posted: 9/5/2016 4:17:08 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironmaker:
Great review of the article, made me laugh, thanks. As for a 75 yard shot in your hunting area, only if you're a ninja. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironmaker:
Originally Posted By Lost_River:
That guy is a complete fucking TOOL. An excerpt from his article: "I would say that most people who say they regularly and ethically shoot deer past 300 yards are full of it. I’ve gotten some fantastic kills in the field on everything from coyote to boar, but even then my longest shot ever on a coyote was 440 yards with a .308. My average shot these days is a paltry 75 yards. The average total of all the game I’ve taken is only 110 yards. I challenge the credentials and honesty of anyone who claims to have a longer lifetime average than that. Shooting animals at long range isn’t funny and injuring an animal is cruel. If you hunt, do it right." So this guy hunts in areas where long range shots are not the norm, therefore he challenges the honesty and credentials of anyone who shoots further than he does. Give me a fucking break. The implication that anyone who shoots further than he does is a liar is ridiculous and certainly is an indicator of his self importance. He states his average shot is 75 yards. That probably is true in the area he hunts. That said, I hunt/live in the rural west. In the last DOZEN elk, I have had exactly ONE that was under 300 yards. Most were in the 350-450 yard range. That has nothing to do with any purported or alleged skills. It has to do with the terrain and environment I hunt, which is high desert to alpine range. Does this look like an environment where 75 yards is "average"? <a href="http://s18.photobucket.com/user/IV_Troop/media/2015%20ELK/ada916af-d2e5-41ac-9942-bf6071f4d56d_zpsa4md6wql.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/2015%20ELK/ada916af-d2e5-41ac-9942-bf6071f4d56d_zpsa4md6wql.jpg</a> It is readily apparent that the "author" is rather self absorbed, and self appointed "subject matter expert". Of course since the advent of the internet, virtually any twit can be an "author" and "SME". This guy fits that bill to a tee. What a joke. Great review of the article, made me laugh, thanks. As for a 75 yard shot in your hunting area, only if you're a ninja. This bull was taken at 460yds after a mile of closing the distance. Some areas make it tough if you don't have a bit of reach in the tool box. 
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Posted: 9/5/2016 6:14:30 PM EDT
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[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnBurns:
This bull was taken at 460yds after a mile of closing the distance. Some areas make it tough if you don't have a bit of reach in the tool box. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/2016%20Elk/DSC01642_zpsff149cey.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/2016%20Elk/DSC01642_zpsff149cey.jpg</a> .308 Win w/ 155 AMAXs worked great. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnBurns:
Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
Originally Posted By Lost_River:
That guy is a complete fucking TOOL. An excerpt from his article: "I would say that most people who say they regularly and ethically shoot deer past 300 yards are full of it. I’ve gotten some fantastic kills in the field on everything from coyote to boar, but even then my longest shot ever on a coyote was 440 yards with a .308. My average shot these days is a paltry 75 yards. The average total of all the game I’ve taken is only 110 yards. I challenge the credentials and honesty of anyone who claims to have a longer lifetime average than that. Shooting animals at long range isn’t funny and injuring an animal is cruel. If you hunt, do it right." So this guy hunts in areas where long range shots are not the norm, therefore he challenges the honesty and credentials of anyone who shoots further than he does. Give me a fucking break. The implication that anyone who shoots further than he does is a liar is ridiculous and certainly is an indicator of his self importance. He states his average shot is 75 yards. That probably is true in the area he hunts. That said, I hunt/live in the rural west. In the last DOZEN elk, I have had exactly ONE that was under 300 yards. Most were in the 350-450 yard range. That has nothing to do with any purported or alleged skills. It has to do with the terrain and environment I hunt, which is high desert to alpine range. Does this look like an environment where 75 yards is "average"? <a href="http://s18.photobucket.com/user/IV_Troop/media/2015%20ELK/ada916af-d2e5-41ac-9942-bf6071f4d56d_zpsa4md6wql.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/2015%20ELK/ada916af-d2e5-41ac-9942-bf6071f4d56d_zpsa4md6wql.jpg</a> It is readily apparent that the "author" is rather self absorbed, and self appointed "subject matter expert". Of course since the advent of the internet, virtually any twit can be an "author" and "SME". This guy fits that bill to a tee. What a joke. Great review of the article, made me laugh, thanks. As for a 75 yard shot in your hunting area, only if you're a ninja. This bull was taken at 460yds after a mile of closing the distance. Some areas make it tough if you don't have a bit of reach in the tool box. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/2016%20Elk/DSC01642_zpsff149cey.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/2016%20Elk/DSC01642_zpsff149cey.jpg</a> .308 Win w/ 155 AMAXs worked great. A VX-6 bridged onto the handguard? Are you friends with JohnBurns? ETA: Shit, I thought that was Lost_River's post. 
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Posted: 9/5/2016 7:40:44 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman:
A VX-6 bridged onto the handguard? Are you friends with JohnBurns? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By JohnBurns:
Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
Originally Posted By Lost_River:
That guy is a complete fucking TOOL. An excerpt from his article: "I would say that most people who say they regularly and ethically shoot deer past 300 yards are full of it. I’ve gotten some fantastic kills in the field on everything from coyote to boar, but even then my longest shot ever on a coyote was 440 yards with a .308. My average shot these days is a paltry 75 yards. The average total of all the game I’ve taken is only 110 yards. I challenge the credentials and honesty of anyone who claims to have a longer lifetime average than that. Shooting animals at long range isn’t funny and injuring an animal is cruel. If you hunt, do it right." So this guy hunts in areas where long range shots are not the norm, therefore he challenges the honesty and credentials of anyone who shoots further than he does. Give me a fucking break. The implication that anyone who shoots further than he does is a liar is ridiculous and certainly is an indicator of his self importance. He states his average shot is 75 yards. That probably is true in the area he hunts. That said, I hunt/live in the rural west. In the last DOZEN elk, I have had exactly ONE that was under 300 yards. Most were in the 350-450 yard range. That has nothing to do with any purported or alleged skills. It has to do with the terrain and environment I hunt, which is high desert to alpine range. Does this look like an environment where 75 yards is "average"? <a href="http://s18.photobucket.com/user/IV_Troop/media/2015%20ELK/ada916af-d2e5-41ac-9942-bf6071f4d56d_zpsa4md6wql.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/2015%20ELK/ada916af-d2e5-41ac-9942-bf6071f4d56d_zpsa4md6wql.jpg</a> It is readily apparent that the "author" is rather self absorbed, and self appointed "subject matter expert". Of course since the advent of the internet, virtually any twit can be an "author" and "SME". This guy fits that bill to a tee. What a joke. Great review of the article, made me laugh, thanks. As for a 75 yard shot in your hunting area, only if you're a ninja. This bull was taken at 460yds after a mile of closing the distance. Some areas make it tough if you don't have a bit of reach in the tool box. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/2016%20Elk/DSC01642_zpsff149cey.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/2016%20Elk/DSC01642_zpsff149cey.jpg</a> .308 Win w/ 155 AMAXs worked great. A VX-6 bridged onto the handguard? Are you friends with JohnBurns? There appears to be a camo riser across the receiver and the handguard that the rings are attached to. That should be ok and given the results, it seems to work. |
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Posted: 9/5/2016 7:56:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironmaker:
There appears to be a camo riser across the receiver and the handguard that the rings are attached to. That should be ok and given the results, it seems to work. Have you seen him shoot clays with it?
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Posted: 9/5/2016 7:57:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironmaker:
There appears to be a camo riser across the receiver and the handguard that the rings are attached to. That should be ok and given the results, it seems to work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironmaker:
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By JohnBurns:
Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
Originally Posted By Lost_River:
That guy is a complete fucking TOOL. An excerpt from his article: "I would say that most people who say they regularly and ethically shoot deer past 300 yards are full of it. I’ve gotten some fantastic kills in the field on everything from coyote to boar, but even then my longest shot ever on a coyote was 440 yards with a .308. My average shot these days is a paltry 75 yards. The average total of all the game I’ve taken is only 110 yards. I challenge the credentials and honesty of anyone who claims to have a longer lifetime average than that. Shooting animals at long range isn’t funny and injuring an animal is cruel. If you hunt, do it right." So this guy hunts in areas where long range shots are not the norm, therefore he challenges the honesty and credentials of anyone who shoots further than he does. Give me a fucking break. The implication that anyone who shoots further than he does is a liar is ridiculous and certainly is an indicator of his self importance. He states his average shot is 75 yards. That probably is true in the area he hunts. That said, I hunt/live in the rural west. In the last DOZEN elk, I have had exactly ONE that was under 300 yards. Most were in the 350-450 yard range. That has nothing to do with any purported or alleged skills. It has to do with the terrain and environment I hunt, which is high desert to alpine range. Does this look like an environment where 75 yards is "average"? <a href="http://s18.photobucket.com/user/IV_Troop/media/2015%20ELK/ada916af-d2e5-41ac-9942-bf6071f4d56d_zpsa4md6wql.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/2015%20ELK/ada916af-d2e5-41ac-9942-bf6071f4d56d_zpsa4md6wql.jpg</a> It is readily apparent that the "author" is rather self absorbed, and self appointed "subject matter expert". Of course since the advent of the internet, virtually any twit can be an "author" and "SME". This guy fits that bill to a tee. What a joke. Great review of the article, made me laugh, thanks. As for a 75 yard shot in your hunting area, only if you're a ninja. This bull was taken at 460yds after a mile of closing the distance. Some areas make it tough if you don't have a bit of reach in the tool box. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/2016%20Elk/DSC01642_zpsff149cey.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/2016%20Elk/DSC01642_zpsff149cey.jpg</a> .308 Win w/ 155 AMAXs worked great. A VX-6 bridged onto the handguard? Are you friends with JohnBurns? There appears to be a camo riser across the receiver and the handguard that the rings are attached to. That should be ok and given the results, it seems to work. Good thing about slaying elk is they are a big fucking target. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 12:02:21 PM EDT
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6.5 and 308 are both good calibers. 6.5 seems to have the edge in many areas, however the following make the call for me to stay with 308.
1. Variety of rifles available - very wide selection in 308 (bolt and semi), much less so in 6.5 2. Ammo availability - getting better, but I don't see 6.5 much at all, unless I specifically go looking for it - definitely not at the local stores, I'd have to order it. Until these 2 things even out, I'll probably toy with 6.5 but will stay with 308 as a main shooter. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 12:35:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnBurns:
That was a VX-3 on the G2 .308 Win. Same setup but VX-6 on a 6.5 Creedmoor. 420yd shot. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/2015%20Elk/Tony%20S%20elk%202015-1_zps7dexern1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/2015%20Elk/Tony%20S%20elk%202015-1_zps7dexern1.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnBurns:
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
There appears to be a camo riser across the receiver and the handguard that the rings are attached to. That should be ok and given the results, it seems to work. Have you seen him shoot clays with it? That was a VX-3 on the G2 .308 Win. Same setup but VX-6 on a 6.5 Creedmoor. 420yd shot. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/2015%20Elk/Tony%20S%20elk%202015-1_zps7dexern1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/2015%20Elk/Tony%20S%20elk%202015-1_zps7dexern1.jpg</a> What bullet was used in the 6.5 on that elk. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 12:37:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Macumazahn:
6.5 and 308 are both good calibers. 6.5 seems to have the edge in many areas, however the following make the call for me to stay with 308. 1. Variety of rifles available - very wide selection in 308 (bolt and semi), much less so in 6.5 2. Ammo availability - getting better, but I don't see 6.5 much at all, unless I specifically go looking for it - definitely not at the local stores, I'd have to order it. Until these 2 things even out, I'll probably toy with 6.5 but will stay with 308 as a main shooter. How many rifles are you going to need? Anything made in 308 can be rebarreled to 6.5. Ammo is available online so order enough once and be done with it. Seems like a silly argument to not go with the one that "has the edge in many areas". Why give up performance for mediocrity when ammo is just a click away |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 1:06:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
How many rifles are you going to need? Anything made in 308 can be rebarreled to 6.5. Ammo is available online so order enough once and be done with it. Seems like a silly argument to not go with the one that "has the edge in many areas". Why give up performance for mediocrity when ammo is just a click away Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
Originally Posted By Macumazahn:
6.5 and 308 are both good calibers. 6.5 seems to have the edge in many areas, however the following make the call for me to stay with 308. 1. Variety of rifles available - very wide selection in 308 (bolt and semi), much less so in 6.5 2. Ammo availability - getting better, but I don't see 6.5 much at all, unless I specifically go looking for it - definitely not at the local stores, I'd have to order it. Until these 2 things even out, I'll probably toy with 6.5 but will stay with 308 as a main shooter. How many rifles are you going to need? Anything made in 308 can be rebarreled to 6.5. Ammo is available online so order enough once and be done with it. Seems like a silly argument to not go with the one that "has the edge in many areas". Why give up performance for mediocrity when ammo is just a click away Creedmoor ammo is pathetically easy to find. Can find it all day online and most LGS carry it. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 1:25:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Macumazahn:
6.5 and 308 are both good calibers. 6.5 seems to have the edge in many areas, however the following make the call for me to stay with 308. 1. Variety of rifles available - very wide selection in 308 (bolt and semi), much less so in 6.5 2. Ammo availability - getting better, but I don't see 6.5 much at all, unless I specifically go looking for it - definitely not at the local stores, I'd have to order it. Until these 2 things even out, I'll probably toy with 6.5 but will stay with 308 as a main shooter. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 1:39:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GSL:
This right here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By Macumazahn:
6.5 and 308 are both good calibers. 6.5 seems to have the edge in many areas, however the following make the call for me to stay with 308. 1. Variety of rifles available - very wide selection in 308 (bolt and semi), much less so in 6.5 2. Ammo availability - getting better, but I don't see 6.5 much at all, unless I specifically go looking for it - definitely not at the local stores, I'd have to order it. Until these 2 things even out, I'll probably toy with 6.5 but will stay with 308 as a main shooter. 2 terrible and pathetic reasons. Seriously a shit ton of companies make 6.5 rifles and ammo is readily available. If you love the 308 more power to ya but own it and stop being petty. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 1:50:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
2 terrible and pathetic reasons. Seriously a shit ton of companies make 6.5 rifles and ammo is readily available. If you love the 308 more power to ya but own it and stop being petty. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By Macumazahn:
6.5 and 308 are both good calibers. 6.5 seems to have the edge in many areas, however the following make the call for me to stay with 308. 1. Variety of rifles available - very wide selection in 308 (bolt and semi), much less so in 6.5 2. Ammo availability - getting better, but I don't see 6.5 much at all, unless I specifically go looking for it - definitely not at the local stores, I'd have to order it. Until these 2 things even out, I'll probably toy with 6.5 but will stay with 308 as a main shooter. 2 terrible and pathetic reasons. Seriously a shit ton of companies make 6.5 rifles and ammo is readily available. If you love the 308 more power to ya but own it and stop being petty. Pathetic? hardly. But your post very much was full of of it so there's that. Are we going to rinse and repeat this all over again? I responded to someone else, not you. It's really petty to respond back with shit fallacies to me in an attempt to undermine. or are you going to do another edgy comment derailing this even more? |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 1:57:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GSL:
Petty? Your burning your own pot right there by that simple reply. I see a shit ton of available .308 and 6.5 is a very rare beast over here. I see more .308 ammo here than 6.5. I have a shit ton of .308 ammo because I can easily get it by the case less in cost than online. Pathetic? hardly. But your post very much was full of of it so there's that. Are we going to rinse and repeat this all over again? I responded to someone else, not you. It's really petty to respond back with shit fallacies to me in an attempt to undermine. or are you going to do another edgy comment derailing this even more? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By Macumazahn:
6.5 and 308 are both good calibers. 6.5 seems to have the edge in many areas, however the following make the call for me to stay with 308. 1. Variety of rifles available - very wide selection in 308 (bolt and semi), much less so in 6.5 2. Ammo availability - getting better, but I don't see 6.5 much at all, unless I specifically go looking for it - definitely not at the local stores, I'd have to order it. Until these 2 things even out, I'll probably toy with 6.5 but will stay with 308 as a main shooter. 2 terrible and pathetic reasons. Seriously a shit ton of companies make 6.5 rifles and ammo is readily available. If you love the 308 more power to ya but own it and stop being petty. Pathetic? hardly. But your post very much was full of of it so there's that. Are we going to rinse and repeat this all over again? I responded to someone else, not you. It's really petty to respond back with shit fallacies to me in an attempt to undermine. or are you going to do another edgy comment derailing this even more? Its a discussion killer. All my precision rigs I'm using one specific type of ammo so its irrelevant if the store has more then the one brand I need. If your out shooting dirt I suppose having a pile of different ammo would be handy. 308s a very awesome round but you know the 6.5 has some major perks. Im a very petty man so your just gonna have to accept that. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 2:00:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GSL:
Petty? Your burning your own pot right there by that simple reply. I see a shit ton of available .308 and 6.5 is a very rare beast over here. I see more .308 ammo here than 6.5. I have a shit ton of .308 ammo because I can easily get it by the case less in cost than online. Pathetic? hardly. But your post very much was full of of it so there's that. Are we going to rinse and repeat this all over again? I responded to someone else, not you. It's really petty to respond back with shit fallacies to me in an attempt to undermine. or are you going to do another edgy comment derailing this even more? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By Macumazahn:
6.5 and 308 are both good calibers. 6.5 seems to have the edge in many areas, however the following make the call for me to stay with 308. 1. Variety of rifles available - very wide selection in 308 (bolt and semi), much less so in 6.5 2. Ammo availability - getting better, but I don't see 6.5 much at all, unless I specifically go looking for it - definitely not at the local stores, I'd have to order it. Until these 2 things even out, I'll probably toy with 6.5 but will stay with 308 as a main shooter. 2 terrible and pathetic reasons. Seriously a shit ton of companies make 6.5 rifles and ammo is readily available. If you love the 308 more power to ya but own it and stop being petty. Pathetic? hardly. But your post very much was full of of it so there's that. Are we going to rinse and repeat this all over again? I responded to someone else, not you. It's really petty to respond back with shit fallacies to me in an attempt to undermine. or are you going to do another edgy comment derailing this even more? Obviously you have made up your mind but the reasons given are pretty lame. Yay there's over 1,000 different 308 loads out there but everyone doing target work picks from the same handful. Same with 6.5. Most of the people who are really serious reload and then it really becomes a non issue with the 6.5. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 2:12:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Its a discussion killer. All my precision rigs I'm using one specific type of ammo so its irrelevant if the store has more then the one brand I need. If your out shooting dirt I suppose having a pile of different ammo would be handy. 308s a very awesome round but you know the 6.5 has some major perks. Im a very petty man so your just gonna have to accept that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By Macumazahn:
6.5 and 308 are both good calibers. 6.5 seems to have the edge in many areas, however the following make the call for me to stay with 308. 1. Variety of rifles available - very wide selection in 308 (bolt and semi), much less so in 6.5 2. Ammo availability - getting better, but I don't see 6.5 much at all, unless I specifically go looking for it - definitely not at the local stores, I'd have to order it. Until these 2 things even out, I'll probably toy with 6.5 but will stay with 308 as a main shooter. 2 terrible and pathetic reasons. Seriously a shit ton of companies make 6.5 rifles and ammo is readily available. If you love the 308 more power to ya but own it and stop being petty. Pathetic? hardly. But your post very much was full of of it so there's that. Are we going to rinse and repeat this all over again? I responded to someone else, not you. It's really petty to respond back with shit fallacies to me in an attempt to undermine. or are you going to do another edgy comment derailing this even more? Its a discussion killer. All my precision rigs I'm using one specific type of ammo so its irrelevant if the store has more then the one brand I need. If your out shooting dirt I suppose having a pile of different ammo would be handy. 308s a very awesome round but you know the 6.5 has some major perks. Im a very petty man so your just gonna have to accept that. I don't shoot dirt. I prefer AR500 10" from P3DT. Dirt is for a 10/22 or something else similar. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 2:19:54 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GSL:
]Discussion killer to whom? I'm not the one trying to force people to convert to 6.5, and none of my posts have been trying to get people to use .308 because I have plainly said why in so many ways that it's still relevant to me and that I will not be switching for the immediate future. I don't shoot dirt. I prefer AR500 10" from P3DT. Dirt is for a 10/22 or something else similar. Its a discussion, killer. Think along the lines of lighten up Francis. Since this is a caliber vs caliber discussion the point to show the pros and cons of them I guess I'm guilty of saying the 6.5 is my caliber of choice out of the options given. Believe it or not I was very committed to the 308 game tell I used a 6.5 and I jumped ship to the 6.5 since I enjoy shooting long range more then anything and the 6.5 does it far better. If going down to the LGS and buying cor lokt ammo and having your choice of 1000 off the shelf rifles then well 308 is probably just your speed. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 2:20:03 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
Obviously you have made up your mind but the reasons given are pretty lame. Yay there's over 1,000 different 308 loads out there but everyone doing target work picks from the same handful. Same with 6.5. Most of the people who are really serious reload and then it really becomes a non issue with the 6.5. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
Originally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By Macumazahn:
6.5 and 308 are both good calibers. 6.5 seems to have the edge in many areas, however the following make the call for me to stay with 308. 1. Variety of rifles available - very wide selection in 308 (bolt and semi), much less so in 6.5 2. Ammo availability - getting better, but I don't see 6.5 much at all, unless I specifically go looking for it - definitely not at the local stores, I'd have to order it. Until these 2 things even out, I'll probably toy with 6.5 but will stay with 308 as a main shooter. 2 terrible and pathetic reasons. Seriously a shit ton of companies make 6.5 rifles and ammo is readily available. If you love the 308 more power to ya but own it and stop being petty. Pathetic? hardly. But your post very much was full of of it so there's that. Are we going to rinse and repeat this all over again? I responded to someone else, not you. It's really petty to respond back with shit fallacies to me in an attempt to undermine. or are you going to do another edgy comment derailing this even more? Obviously you have made up your mind but the reasons given are pretty lame. Yay there's over 1,000 different 308 loads out there but everyone doing target work picks from the same handful. Same with 6.5. Most of the people who are really serious reload and then it really becomes a non issue with the 6.5. Honestly, what's your purpose here? Conversion? What do you get from converting people? Because you're not discussing it, you're trying to tactfully ridicule another persons reasons for staying with .308 out of spite because they have their minds made up with what they see as valid reasons. Explain to me what you gain by converting others to 6.5. There has to be some sort of correlation or is this the 9mm versus .45 of the rifle world? If that's the case... 
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Posted: 9/6/2016 2:27:45 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Its a discussion, killer. Think along the lines of lighten up Francis. Since this is a caliber vs caliber discussion the point to show the pros and cons of them I guess I'm guilty of saying the 6.5 is my caliber of choice out of the options given. Believe it or not I was very committed to the 308 game tell I used a 6.5 and I jumped ship to the 6.5 since I enjoy shooting long range more then anything and the 6.5 does it far better. If going down to the LGS and buying cor lokt ammo and having your choice of 1000 off the shelf rifles then well 308 is probably just your speed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By GSL:
]Discussion killer to whom? I'm not the one trying to force people to convert to 6.5, and none of my posts have been trying to get people to use .308 because I have plainly said why in so many ways that it's still relevant to me and that I will not be switching for the immediate future. I don't shoot dirt. I prefer AR500 10" from P3DT. Dirt is for a 10/22 or something else similar. Its a discussion, killer. Think along the lines of lighten up Francis. Since this is a caliber vs caliber discussion the point to show the pros and cons of them I guess I'm guilty of saying the 6.5 is my caliber of choice out of the options given. Believe it or not I was very committed to the 308 game tell I used a 6.5 and I jumped ship to the 6.5 since I enjoy shooting long range more then anything and the 6.5 does it far better. If going down to the LGS and buying cor lokt ammo and having your choice of 1000 off the shelf rifles then well 308 is probably just your speed. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 2:54:58 PM EDT
[#24]
It's because the facts are rock solid. This is pretty close to arguing feelings. I am not trying to convert anyone but I am also not fond of people passing bad info or incorrect facts.
If you want to shoot a 308 great. Won't bother me. But when there are a bunch of people trying their best to make 308 seem better than it is they should expect to get called on it. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 3:28:21 PM EDT
[#25]
Let me give my unbiased unemotional opinion...
Right now I am shooting 308 in PRS type matches for the following reasons: 1) It is the gun I have, have had it since 2006 and have upgraded it bit by bit over the years. 2) I have a decent load and reloading components for it. 175 TMK, 42.8 R15, Hornady brass, Win primers - 2586 fps. 17 fps std dev. 3) I've spent enough on firearm related purchases this year, so I can't justify spending more money right now. In the next year or two I see myself either buying a rifle in 260 Rem or rebarreling my current rifle: 1) 260 is a better match round than 308. 2) Anything I want to hunt with 308 I can hunt with 260 Rem. 3) I have a Giraud trimmer head that works for any 308 based cartridge. 4) I would choose 6.5 over 6 due to barrel life. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 3:40:49 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
It's because the facts are rock solid. This is pretty close to arguing feelings. I am not trying to convert anyone but I am also not fond of people passing bad info or incorrect facts. If you want to shoot a 308 great. Won't bother me. But when there are a bunch of people trying their best to make 308 seem better than it is they should expect to get called on it. When folks are trying to make 6.5 better than it really is, I'll stand up to it just as you're being opposed to .308 and get called on as well. Impasse, we're on it. How about we agree to disagree instead of prolonging this? Works for me. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 4:24:26 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GSL:
Facts not being solid is all perspective and from where I am standing I don't want bad information and incorrect information passed either. When folks are trying to make 6.5 better than it really is, I'll stand up to it just as you're being opposed to .308 and get called on as well. Impasse, we're on it. How about we agree to disagree instead of prolonging this? Works for me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
It's because the facts are rock solid. This is pretty close to arguing feelings. I am not trying to convert anyone but I am also not fond of people passing bad info or incorrect facts. If you want to shoot a 308 great. Won't bother me. But when there are a bunch of people trying their best to make 308 seem better than it is they should expect to get called on it. When folks are trying to make 6.5 better than it really is, I'll stand up to it just as you're being opposed to .308 and get called on as well. Impasse, we're on it. How about we agree to disagree instead of prolonging this? Works for me. Seriously how much time do you have behind a 6.5 gun? I spent many years shooting a 308 and after one day on the creedmoor I was like this thing is badass. Its like if someone asked me 223 vs 6.5 for a 1k yard gun. I love the 223 and its super fun and very useful as in the 308 but its outclassed by the 6.5 for precision shooting. I'm all for people shooting whatever gets them going but not all are created equal. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 5:57:32 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Seriously how much time do you have behind a 6.5 gun? I spent many years shooting a 308 and after one day on the creedmoor I was like this thing is badass. Its like if someone asked me 223 vs 6.5 for a 1k yard gun. I love the 223 and its super fun and very useful as in the 308 but its outclassed by the 6.5 for precision shooting. I'm all for people shooting whatever gets them going but not all are created equal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
It's because the facts are rock solid. This is pretty close to arguing feelings. I am not trying to convert anyone but I am also not fond of people passing bad info or incorrect facts. If you want to shoot a 308 great. Won't bother me. But when there are a bunch of people trying their best to make 308 seem better than it is they should expect to get called on it. When folks are trying to make 6.5 better than it really is, I'll stand up to it just as you're being opposed to .308 and get called on as well. Impasse, we're on it. How about we agree to disagree instead of prolonging this? Works for me. Seriously how much time do you have behind a 6.5 gun? I spent many years shooting a 308 and after one day on the creedmoor I was like this thing is badass. Its like if someone asked me 223 vs 6.5 for a 1k yard gun. I love the 223 and its super fun and very useful as in the 308 but its outclassed by the 6.5 for precision shooting. I'm all for people shooting whatever gets them going but not all are created equal. But whistle in the wind some more, it doesn't change anything.and it actually pushes me away even more because of the persistent pleading and begging. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 6:20:27 PM EDT
[#29]
Guys GSL loves his .308. That's fine. Anyone who knows ballistics knows that the 6.5 is a better ballistically round than the .308 but sometimes that isn't all that goes into people's decisions. Where he lives they don;t sell Creedmoor ammo and he doesn't want to handload so he sticks with .308. It is what it is. No use arguing about it.
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Posted: 9/6/2016 7:14:28 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01:
Guys GSL loves his .308. That's fine. Anyone who knows ballistics knows that the 6.5 is a better ballistically round than the .308 but sometimes that isn't all that goes into people's decisions. Where he lives they don;t sell Creedmoor ammo and he doesn't want to handload so he sticks with .308. It is what it is. No use arguing about it. Thank you! |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 8:16:24 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
What bullet was used in the 6.5 on that elk. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By JohnBurns:
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
There appears to be a camo riser across the receiver and the handguard that the rings are attached to. That should be ok and given the results, it seems to work. Have you seen him shoot clays with it? That was a VX-3 on the G2 .308 Win. Same setup but VX-6 on a 6.5 Creedmoor. 420yd shot. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/2015%20Elk/Tony%20S%20elk%202015-1_zps7dexern1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/2015%20Elk/Tony%20S%20elk%202015-1_zps7dexern1.jpg</a> What bullet was used in the 6.5 on that elk. 123gr AMAX @ 2900fps. Penetration was borderline low. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 9:04:53 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Not mine. I stole it too. 
But this chart is the main reason I bought a 6.5 Creedmoor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
Originally Posted By mitsuman47:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Yah. The 308 will do 700. But good thing you didn't try to go to 800. http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/kombayotch/Firearms%20Stuff/308_traj-1.jpg 
That's an awesome chart - stealing it! Not mine. I stole it too.
But this chart is the main reason I bought a 6.5 Creedmoor. I'm getting one then I'm coming up to shoot it with ya. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 10:56:42 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnBurns:
123gr AMAX @ 2900fps. Penetration was borderline low. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnBurns:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By JohnBurns:
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
There appears to be a camo riser across the receiver and the handguard that the rings are attached to. That should be ok and given the results, it seems to work. Have you seen him shoot clays with it? That was a VX-3 on the G2 .308 Win. Same setup but VX-6 on a 6.5 Creedmoor. 420yd shot. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/2015%20Elk/Tony%20S%20elk%202015-1_zps7dexern1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/2015%20Elk/Tony%20S%20elk%202015-1_zps7dexern1.jpg</a> What bullet was used in the 6.5 on that elk. 123gr AMAX @ 2900fps. Penetration was borderline low. Why the 123 and not the 140? |
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Posted: 9/7/2016 6:04:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: popnfresh]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01:
Guys GSL loves his .308. That's fine. Anyone who knows ballistics knows that the 6.5 is a better ballistically round than the .308 but sometimes that isn't all that goes into people's decisions. Where he lives they don;t sell Creedmoor ammo and he doesn't want to handload so he sticks with .308. It is what it is. No use arguing about it. Everybody has different needs. I don't like to rebarrel every year, and the difference between .308 and 6.5 ballistics is inconsequential for my needs so I stick with the .308. If I wanted to be competitive there would be no doubt, I would use a 6.5. |
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Posted: 9/9/2016 6:59:41 PM EDT
[#35]
Why is anyone shooting a 308?
1. It is what they have. 2. To be able to use NATO, or military ammo. 3. They do not have the money to buy a 6.5, 6mm and see #1 above. 4. Perhaps other people in their hunting party also use a 308, and it gives them the ability to use their ammo in an emergency. All that said, I am a huge 6.5 fan. The moose killed in Nordic countries by the 6.5x55 for many MANY decades proves the 6.5 is effective, even if using an old round. With new rounds like the Nosler, or the 6.5x284, ranges can be extended even further. It is the high sectional density, and high ballistic coefficient that makes the 6.5 bores effective. However, a hunter who has used a 308 for all his hunting during the past 30 years, and knows ( and respects) the ballistic curve can kill a Imals quite effectively out to 700 yards.....if he can hit 'em properly. My guess is that if he has hunted with the 308 for that long, he knows his rifle's limitations. So, there are plenty of good reasons for all three bore sizes. |
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Posted: 9/12/2016 7:30:52 AM EDT
[#36]
I shot in the Big Dog Steel match at Rayner's in OH this past week. What a learning experience!
Out of 48 shooters, two of us were shooting 308 and the only reason the other fellow was because he was shooting his back up to his back up. |
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Posted: 9/12/2016 10:06:40 AM EDT
[#37]
how was the big dog steel match?
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Posted: 9/12/2016 10:34:40 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By taliv:
how was the big dog steel match? I really enjoyed it and everyone who shoots these types of matches on a regular basis seemed to speak well of the match. For me it was tough due to a combination of things: 1) Just my second match like this and first real PRS style match. 2) Shooting a 308 3) Suppressor loosened up sometime during the first day and I didn't catch it right away. When an experienced shooter or RO suggests something, listen to them. An RO asked if my suppressor was tight, I answered "yeah". Two stages later I checked it and it wasn't. 
4) Tighten your scope base more than every two years. It's been two or so years since my scope base was installed. It loosed up sometime during the last 3 stages and I didn't notice it until after the last stage. The wind Saturday was a bear. The winner only hit 67% of the targets. I didn't finish last!! 
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Posted: 9/12/2016 11:08:16 AM EDT
[#39]
awesome! glad the match went well and was a learning experience
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Posted: 9/12/2016 4:26:56 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironmaker: I didn't finish last!!  |
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Posted: 9/12/2016 4:28:00 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironmaker: I really enjoyed it and everyone who shoots these types of matches on a regular basis seemed to speak well of the match. For me it was tough due to a combination of things: 1) Just my second match like this and first real PRS style match. 2) Shooting a 308 3) Suppressor loosened up sometime during the first day and I didn't catch it right away. When an experienced shooter or RO suggests something, listen to them. An RO asked if my suppressor was tight, I answered "yeah". Two stages later I checked it and it wasn't. 4) Tighten your scope base more than every two years. It's been two or so years since my scope base was installed. It loosed up sometime during the last 3 stages and I didn't notice it until after the last stage. The wind Saturday was a bear. The winner only hit 67% of the targets. I didn't finish last!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironmaker: Originally Posted By taliv: how was the big dog steel match? I really enjoyed it and everyone who shoots these types of matches on a regular basis seemed to speak well of the match. For me it was tough due to a combination of things: 1) Just my second match like this and first real PRS style match. 2) Shooting a 308 3) Suppressor loosened up sometime during the first day and I didn't catch it right away. When an experienced shooter or RO suggests something, listen to them. An RO asked if my suppressor was tight, I answered "yeah". Two stages later I checked it and it wasn't. 4) Tighten your scope base more than every two years. It's been two or so years since my scope base was installed. It loosed up sometime during the last 3 stages and I didn't notice it until after the last stage. The wind Saturday was a bear. The winner only hit 67% of the targets. I didn't finish last!! I had an equipment error that was my fault that screwed me pretty bad. The weather saturday sucked. The heat really got to me by the last 4 stages. |
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Posted: 9/12/2016 4:57:09 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony:
2nd to last? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony:
Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
I didn't finish last!!
3rd to last
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Posted: 9/15/2016 8:33:44 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bm3:
I'm getting one then I'm coming up to shoot it with ya. 6.5s are icky. They'll get MOA all over your targets... 
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_17/51___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html&page=26#i64935 |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 8:52:27 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
6.5s are icky. They'll get MOA all over your targets...
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_17/51___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html&page=26#i64935 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By bm3:
I'm getting one then I'm coming up to shoot it with ya. 6.5s are icky. They'll get MOA all over your targets...
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_17/51___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html&page=26#i64935 Your pictures aren't showing up in that post. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 8:55:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CLICKBANGBANG]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironmaker:
Your pictures aren't showing up in that post. Stupid forum. They showed in the preview for me. Quote the post and click the links. Or cut the url out of the quote.
Every other picture on the forum isn't showing for me right now. I only see half of what's going on, and have to do the above to see the rest. Edit- The pictures are formatted correctly. Not sure what's up. |
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Posted: 9/22/2016 12:15:36 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
That article sure seemed pretty biased and arrogant to me which apparently is pretty common for that guy. Very accomplished camp perry shooter but seems to be out of his lane on the tactical/sniper stuff. Would love to hear him answer the same question I ask all 308 guys. Why doesn't anyone use it in open competitions? Only people that use it shoot in matches that require it save a few that make you choose between 308 and 223. Exactly. That was a silly comparison to make. Camaro vs Corvette would probably for a little better(if they cost the same). Much like the 308 the Camaro will do more than enough for most people but the corvette will do it better and faster. Nobody who raced would choose the camaro. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
That article sure seemed pretty biased and arrogant to me which apparently is pretty common for that guy. Very accomplished camp perry shooter but seems to be out of his lane on the tactical/sniper stuff. Would love to hear him answer the same question I ask all 308 guys. Why doesn't anyone use it in open competitions? Only people that use it shoot in matches that require it save a few that make you choose between 308 and 223. Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
Originally Posted By MitchAlsup:
Originally Posted By Rob01:
Nothing wrong with a .308 but the Creedmoor and other 6.5s are just better ballistically. A Ferrari 458 is better ballistically than a C7 Corvette, why is everybody not driving the Ferrari? The thing is, there is nothing wrong with the 308 as long as the shooter understand the ballistics and limitations thereof. While the 6.5 class has great ballistics, and while one is on my short list, the new Tipped Match King bullet ballistics has gone a long way in making up for the ballistic deficiencies of the 30 cal class. difference is the Ferrari is more expensive than the Vette reloading I'd wager you can do better with the 6's and 6.5's than the 30 cals I had worked the math but can't recall exactly Exactly. That was a silly comparison to make. Camaro vs Corvette would probably for a little better(if they cost the same). Much like the 308 the Camaro will do more than enough for most people but the corvette will do it better and faster. Nobody who raced would choose the camaro. More like buying a new Camaro. The V6 and the V8 are the same price, are you willing to pay a little extra for the gas? |
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Posted: 9/23/2016 8:28:29 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lost_River:
Give me a break. <a href="http://s18.photobucket.com/user/IV_Troop/media/Targets/089.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/Targets/089.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lost_River:
Originally Posted By zach_:
Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
Here's another good article: http://www.gunsaddicts.com/is-the-308-dead-as-a-long-range-tactical-round/ Lots of people talk smack about this or that while they shoot their 3" - 100 yard groups with their God sent caliber. Are you one of those? Give me a break. <a href="http://s18.photobucket.com/user/IV_Troop/media/Targets/089.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/Targets/089.jpg</a> No give him a break all he did was forget a decimal point, he means 0.3", an honest mistake. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 11:16:18 AM EDT
[#48]
What's the real world barrel life for 6.5 creed/260 rem? I'm not planning on competing so it's not a huge deal if it turns into a 1 moa gun.
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Posted: 10/22/2016 11:25:59 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
What's the real world barrel life for 6.5 creed/260 rem? I'm not planning on competing so it's not a huge deal if it turns into a 1 moa gun. For 1 MOA you should be good to 3500-4000 depending on the load and how hard you push it. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 11:52:36 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryFor comparison: the 175gr SMK going 2685fps and the 140gr going 2725fps. Both loads can be considered conservative. I know some who push the 140gr bullet over 2800fps. Quote HistoryFor comparison: the 175gr SMK going 2685fps and the 140gr going 2725fps. Both loads can be considered conservative. I know some who push the 140gr bullet over 2800fps. I push a 178gr A-Max to 2880fps with a 3/8 zero group at 200 yards, try that with those wee calibers. So what are you doing with these calibers? Long distance? big animals? what. I had to decide over a decade ago, to go with 308, or 30-06. I chose 30-06, and will out distance, and power the 308 & 6.5 what evers. Hey I get it, you like to shoot a 100 yr old cartridge out of a rifle thats 6ft long. Good for you. Get with the times. If you can do 90% of something for 60% of the cost, no one is going to turn that down. Both of my 30-06s are the same length as an M1a, and they are both under 4 foot tall. so the 6 foot long ones went out before the 06 was ever invented. Cost? my signature odd six rounds are less than 30 cents a round. If you buying store bought ammo, you should not even be in this conversion. I shoot my 308 to 700 all the time 700 yards is boring for a 30-06, at 800 yards I hit tomato past cans, try that with your wee rounds. Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
I'll be taking a 6.5 Creedmoor out to 600 yards on Thursday. Thats where we warm up at. its boring with an odd six. Heck we use pulled M80s as plinker ammo at 600 yards. The smallest caliber in the safe is 7.62, It goes up from there. When I let one loose, no matter the distance, past 1200 yards if need be. After the pill is sent, we go to the next target, fore that one hit home, and stopped the treat. To us, anything smaller is just less. |
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