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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:34:21 PM EDT
Last night I read a post somewhere and the guy said that for a certain barrel length, in this case a 20" .223 was being discussed, that the nodes will be consistent regardless the particular weapon being used.

He stated that 20" nodes would happen at 2600fps, 2870, 3000, 3365, and 3525.

Is this true, is it just gonna be close, or is it useless info?

I've just loaded my first batch of test ammo to do some testing and hope to get out and shoot sometime soon so I continue to gather information that might help me once I'm shooting.
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 11:47:27 AM EDT
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The short answer is you are correct.  Nodes are just a function of barrel harmonics.  You can think of guitar strings as a good example of this.  To change the pitch of a guitar string you absolutely do shorten them via pinching the string against the fret with your finger.  Shorter or longer strings have differing harmonics.  

However, how is it then that a guitar with 5 strings, all of the same length, end up playing 5 independent notes on each of those strings?  In this case the thicker strings have a different harmonic frequency than the thinner (they are lower).  So how does this apply to a barrel?

Well, length is obvious, but so is thickness of the barrel, profile of the barrel, any added barrel device, a suppressor or not, and if you are talking about a semi auto then you have to include the gas block and gas tube as they are harmonically tied to the barrel as well.  BUT, not just the size of the gas block, but the position of it on the barrel also impacts things...so does the inclusion of a front sight post, or the exclusion of it.  Do you have a bayonet lug or not?  

Basically anything physically touching the barrel will also impact the harmonics as well.  Length is just one of many factors.
Link Posted: 1/9/2017 12:17:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dyezak:
The short answer is you are correct.  Nodes are just a function of barrel harmonics.  You can think of guitar strings as a good example of this.  To change the pitch of a guitar string you absolutely do shorten them via pinching the string against the fret with your finger.  Shorter or longer strings have differing harmonics.  

However, how is it then that a guitar with 5 strings, all of the same length, end up playing 5 independent notes on each of those strings?  In this case the thicker strings have a different harmonic frequency than the thinner (they are lower).  So how does this apply to a barrel?

Well, length is obvious, but so is thickness of the barrel, profile of the barrel, any added barrel device, a suppressor or not, and if you are talking about a semi auto then you have to include the gas block and gas tube as they are harmonically tied to the barrel as well.  BUT, not just the size of the gas block, but the position of it on the barrel also impacts things...so does the inclusion of a front sight post, or the exclusion of it.  Do you have a bayonet lug or not?  

Basically anything physically touching the barrel will also impact the harmonics as well.  Length is just one of many factors.
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Great explanation. For high power, where everyone has almost exactly identical gear, a statement about nodes would provide a lot of help. Outside that discipline and equipment niche, the statement is more of a suggestion than guideline.
Link Posted: 5/27/2018 11:13:15 AM EDT
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Best way to test is build up loads in .5 grain increments, up to point them manual says to expect pressure signs.  Document which velocities had the tighter groups.
Link Posted: 5/27/2018 4:17:49 PM EDT
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Based on the concept of Optimal Barrel Time.  Interesting stuff...  
Link Posted: 6/2/2018 8:21:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Reorx:
Based on the concept of Optimal Barrel Time.  Interesting stuff...  
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