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... Sandy loam, ferns aren't my problem, it's Sassafrass and Autumn Olive. Just checked my clover today. Seeds are sprouting. I need to find an herbicide that will knock down the weeds, but not clover. View Quote If it is just now sprouting let it go this year. Have you amended soil with lime/fertilizer yet? (soil test) Established clover rebounds well from mowing and if you have too many weeds after that you can hit it gly, the clover will come back if you do it right. http://www.deerattraction.com/ Read this; http://www.deerattraction.com/Article-4.htm My deer love AO, they eat every berry and leaf. No loam here, 6" down is yellow sand. |
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About half my clover plot looks good, I seeded the bare spots early September. What I need is a cultipacker, driving over the seed with a Tacoma gets old.
As far as Autumn Olive, they can't reach the good parts anymore. We are talking multi-trunk monsters 8-12' high and 12' wide well above where deer can reach. Besides, I have 100's of acres of beans/corn, old apple orchards, and tons of large oaks in the area, plenty of food around. I would gladly pay for carbide toothed beavers to go in and eliminate the AO. I'm using Frigid Forage clover now, seems to work well when the weather cooperates. More crabapple, sawtooth oak, and Chinese chestnuts on the way. Looking like a good year, all the oaks here are loaded. My uncle is looking at a place like yours, jack and scotch pines, showed him this thread showing that it can be done. |
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What a GREAT thread, postban!
Thanks for posting and good luck this season! |
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It's so nice to see all the work pay off your a lucky man to have that ..GOOD LUCK AND BE SAFE
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Great to see all that work paying off for you. Nice buck man
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Hey OP, have you been up to check your plots? Mine are buried under oak leaves, so I've got to get that blown off before I seed/feed next month. |
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Bump. Hey OP, have you been up to check your plots? Mine are buried under oak leaves, so I've got to get that blown off before I seed/feed next month. View Quote Can you lightly disk them in instead. Not the best fertilizer but also not harmful. Most beneficial thing would be to burn them in place but I know that is tough to do. I have <10 oak trees on the whole place. More concerned about more spruce being down. It will be 2 more weeks before I can get up and run some saw. |
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Can you lightly disk them in instead. Not the best fertilizer but also not harmful. Most beneficial thing would be to burn them in place but I know that is tough to do. I have <10 oak trees on the whole place. More concerned about more spruce being down. It will be 2 more weeks before I can get up and run some saw. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bump. Hey OP, have you been up to check your plots? Mine are buried under oak leaves, so I've got to get that blown off before I seed/feed next month. Can you lightly disk them in instead. Not the best fertilizer but also not harmful. Most beneficial thing would be to burn them in place but I know that is tough to do. I have <10 oak trees on the whole place. More concerned about more spruce being down. It will be 2 more weeks before I can get up and run some saw. I'll run the Deere with new blades and a 60" deck over them, some will get blown out, some will get chewed up for mulch. I have a few places that are 4" thick with leaves. I thought about spreading some sunflower seeds out there and letting the turkeys shred the leaves up for me and get free turkey manure at the same time. Try to get a couple Dolgo Crab apples in, mine are growing fast. I don't think you are too far north for them. You'll have to fence them in. |
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Looks like your plots are greening up well. I seeded the bare spots in my clover plot with Frigid Forage Trophy Clover last Saturday, cool temps and rain should have it sprouting nicely by next weekend. I'll get fertilizer and a bit of lime down then. I'm clearing adjacent areas to expand the plot, should end up being about 1.5 acres.
Deer are really hitting my mineral sites now. |
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I forgot about this thread. Looks like the place is really coming along.
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The new Tundra looks great, reminds me of the old "desert dune beige" Land Cruiser color of the 1970's.
I recommend not spreading Autumn Olive. Sure, the deer eat it, just like they do anything green, but if you have cleared land and have exposed soil it will take over and in a few years you'll be fighting it. I kill that stuff and replace it with better habitat. Red Maple, Norway Maple, Sassafrass, and Poplar would be better choices. Try starting some Chinese Chestnut, seeds are cheap and they grow pretty quickly. I cleaned out my rain gutters last fall of maple seeds, and me and management planted the seeds in an old field. They are already up about a foot tall. Free browse basically. I'm already seeing more activity on my land in just 2.5 years, especially bedding. I figure the more deer are bedding, eating, and drinking water on my land, the less they are doing those things on the neighbors, who shoot the first buck they see. Maybe the MiDNR will push the APR's further south, I see far too many 1.5-2.5 year old bucks killed, and not enough does. I wish we could swap some tree types...I have tons of Red and White Oak, and need more evergreens! |
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I solved the broad leaf and grass problem in my clover with Dakota (Clethodim) and Butyrac 200. Took about 4 weeks for total burn down. I have some Sassafras trees I'll spot treat with Crossbow.
What is up with Raccoons this year?! I swear they are being dropped off on my land. Almost as bad as the ground hogs, I'm surrounded by about 200 acres of soy beans this year. Going out next week with the .22-250 and a cooler. The bastards sure can make a mess of a field. You heard anything of the APR's getting implemented in any more counties? I was hoping the DNR would expand it to at least the old M46/M57 line. |
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... You heard anything of the APR's getting implemented in any more counties? I was hoping the DNR would expand it to at least the old M46/M57 line. View Quote Keep an eye out here http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/forums/deer-hunting-regulations-proposals-and-law-debat.144/ If there is any news it will be there first. |
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Property looks awesome Postban. Glad to see you're enjoying it.
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WOW ,,you've done a great job with your land and your boys are very lucky ..good luck thanks for sharing
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This may be the BEST thread on ARFCOM!!!!
One humble suggestion (and I admit I skipped from page 1 to 5 without reading all pages), add just a few more mineral blocks to your property. We've found (non-scientific evidence) that the mineral blocks really seem to help with nutrients and antler growth. They're so cheap too, just get a few more blocks and throw them out strategically about your property. Really impressive sir. I'd like to have something similar upon retirement. |
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Not sure how I missed this one but all I have to say is WOW!! Pretty impressive, congrats on your success up there and keep updating!!
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Bow and Gun Season report. Was up for 1st and 3rd weeks of archery. First night of the season I had two mature does and three fawns under me at 18yds, clear shot. They were really relaxed and I wanted to scout some before jumping in, dumb move. That was the last good shot I had til the Rifle Opener, kicked myself quite a few times over not taking one of those big Does. Hunted both valleys, various stands, tried every trick I know or have read about, just could not get to a good distance with the Z7 or figure out the evil swirling winds or where those Ladies would be. Rainy days I would just sit in my boxes and watch them browse and interact. Of course my constant companions at most of these sets were the forks and spikes. Someone obviously told them about the APR's Saw seven different bucks, 2 spikes, 3 forks, a small basket six and a 2-1/2 yr old 8pt. Got really used to how they behaved. Add in the five antlerless from above, way too many deer for my tiny 4 acres of plots and approx 21 acres of moderate to poor woody browse. The Antlerless ones break down as two mature Does, one with a button, the other bigger one with a button and doe fawn. So no luck during Archery, lots of intel gathered though. Went up Friday before Rifle Opener (just like most of you, the traffic!) lol. I had taken this pic back in September for motivation as a desktop for my work computer. Ended up being prescient. I knew I was going to be spending a lot of time in that box as my son prefers the one in the North Valley. http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/postban/family/Manton/2015/2015-09-20/IMG_20150919_091600_zpstrpsfyyo.jpg Opening day, took this doe standing right by that same tree, 243, 57 yds, went 20 and piled up. That South Valley Box is surrounded by four plots. The South Banjo and Jake Ehlingers signature "Beans" linked plots. http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/postban/family/Manton/maps/ee0093e2-e2c9-44a7-afb1-cf7588df2ce2_zps45bf18e2.jpg Doe was taken from bottom bean as a fork browsed in the plot on the opposite corner of the box. At the shot he stared at the box for a minute and then went back to browsing. Still laughing about that. Waited 45 minutes for him to finish before starting tracking the doe. 30 second tracking job, made it 20yds. DNR aged her at 3.5yrs old http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/postban/family/Manton/2015/2015-11-15/IMG_20151115_083044_zpsmejl6vud.jpg My son was up with me, saw only rabbits. He had College the next day so he transported her down to my favorite processor, Lee's Market in Newport, best jerky on the planet. The 16th was a nice day, only saw two of my forks. Then 17-18-19 just howling wind and rain, no does or fawns sighted since the opener. Most of those days I was in the North valley. Decided to switch back to the South Valley on the morning of the 19th. Had only been seeing forks of course but guess who showed up finally? http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/postban/family/Manton/2015/2015-11-15/IMG_20151119_074149_zpsxxqp1rok.jpg 2-1/2 yr old 8pt, same tree, same shot distance, zero yds tracking, DRT! 243 Encore, Burris 2-7x, 100gr Remington http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/postban/family/Manton/2015/2015-11-15/IMG_20151119_133200_zpsyq3md3xp.jpg These boxes have made this place huntable in they they help me control my scent exposure. The elevation and cover here make regular stands hard to get to and easy to get busted in. I mean Valley when I say it, but you guys know that by now. Thanks for reading. View Quote What are "food trails"? Just trails that connect the food plots? |
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Just wanted to say I love reading your posts here. I'm a total lurker here.
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Pulled cards, some neat stuff.
mb 3 5 07010004 mb doe twins 07020009 nb two bucks 07010022 nb wide buck 07020034 These need some 52gr JHP lovin' nb 2woodchuck 07020039 Fawns being fawns w fawn boogie 07040017 |
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Awww, the fawns are too cute. And they'll grow up to be soooo tasty.
Should be a good season for you, and we look forward to your updates. Love this thread! |
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New batch of videos.
First one is quick, make it full screen to see the woodchuck in the coyotes mouth. Glad it is not a fawn Coyote gets a woodchuck snack Next up is a 9pt if I am seeing it right. looks like a 9 Then a cautious small 8pt entering a food plot with a skunk in it. the skunk and the 8pt No comment. Doe makes a deposit. Last is a couple of a Wild Buck playing with a doe. wild buck and doe play |
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Well looks to be working !!! I love watch your dream open up ..good luck .
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Let er die my friend. Photocucket killled it and I am listing the property as I type this. Archive me bros. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Let er die my friend. Photocucket killled it and I am listing the property as I type this. Archive me bros. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Let er die my friend. Photocucket killled it and I am listing the property as I type this. Archive me bros. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You still have a place to hunt other than this place? View Quote 200yds behind the house at the new place downstate, literally every night. Lots of does and other bucks. They are purely nocturnal now but it is a 5ac field of grass with a few small cover areas. That will be changing dramatically Mast producing park effect woods to the east, thick woods with mast and successional field cover to the west. No adjacent hunters. Snow tracking shows bedding on both sides. Ag all around. Good black soil that is flat and well drained. Huge White and Red oaks, overproductive mature Black Walnut. Exactly the opposite of the Manton place with the massive hills of acid sand and non-mast trees. Backyard hunting dream, zero commute and I can fuss over it everyday. Crossbow and suppressed 77/357 playground. There might be a new thread coming. |
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Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rj-JaWWSDc 200yds behind the house at the new place downstate, literally every night. Lots of does and other bucks. They are purely nocturnal now but it is a 5ac field of grass with a few small cover areas. That will be changing dramatically Mast producing park effect woods to the east, thick woods with mast and successional field cover to the west. No adjacent hunters. Snow tracking shows bedding on both sides. Ag all around. Good black soil that is flat and well drained. Huge White and Red oaks, overproductive mature Black Walnut. Exactly the opposite of the Manton place with the massive hills of acid sand and non-mast trees. Backyard hunting dream, zero commute and I can fuss over it everyday. Crossbow and suppressed 77/357 playground. There might be a new thread coming. View Quote |
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