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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Some more wildlife captured by my cameras. Hard to believe all these animals exist 3 blocks from the middle of town. First up are a couple raccoons eating the block and corn I put out for deer. Never saw a single deer all fall or winter. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/wildlife/raccoons_feeding.jpg Next up are 2 different coyotes. One has a hurt leg and I've previously caught it on camera. This one is not hurt, so that means there are at least 2 of them. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/wildlife/coyote1.gif I caught this one on camera close to a year ago further up in the yard. I'm surprised it has made it with the hurt leg. Although I'm sure there is plenty of garbage in town that it can scavenge versus chasing down prey. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/wildlife/coyote2.gif View Quote |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
<snippety snip> I also had a visitor while cleaning things up today. I should know better by now. Any time I pick up anything that has space under it there will most likely be a snake living there. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/visitor_snake.jpg View Quote I'm glad to know about the basil. I've had some basil "purple ruffles" growing in the back yard for 17 years. It's petered out over time, but I didn't pay attention to the idea that basil, in and of itself, might be juglone tolerant. That's good to know. Sorry about the garden. I wish I could say I am surprised, and I also wish you'd found some supernatural juju to get past the juglone. Alas, you have not. The walnut trees are worth it, but we have to plan around them, that's for sure. Garden in your front yard. It's trendy. No, I am not kidding. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs:
I also wish you'd found some supernatural juju to get past the juglone. Alas, you have not. The walnut trees are worth it View Quote As for walnut trees, other than "the trees will be worth a lot money one day" which is what several people tell me, what makes them worth it? They are a nice looking tree but there are plenty of trees that look nice. They drop all sorts of debris all year. I have posted pictures of the back steps yet but they are constantly covered in debris from the tree. I can sweep them one day and they are covered the next. Not to mention that debris is toxic and greatly limits what I can grow. Having one nice looking tree that prevents a lot of other nice looking things, does not seem worth it to me. |
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Picture of machine that is capable of this?
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
You will be surprised. I was actually trying to get them posted here the same day but the sync between my phone, Google, and computer stopped working. I finally got it working again today. Here is the monster of a machine. A stock 2007 Troy-Bilt Super Bronco with a 42" deck with upgraded tires. It is the tires that turn the machine into a trail blazer. The key is knowing how to drive the mower and what parts of the frame or tires can be used to knock things over. Sometimes you have to go really slow but other times you have to gun it and not stop or you will be trouble. Without those tires though you will not have the traction needed to keep moving especially during the going slow part. Regular tires will just spin. If these tractor tires are spinning you are tearing up at least a 1/2 inch of sod every time it goes around. This mower originally came with a 19hp Kohler engine. I've used the mower in a commercial capacity for years and the Kohler finally self destructed. I took a 15 year old 17hp twin Briggs engine and retrofit it on the frame. Even with 2 less HP I can still clear brush with it. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/mower_tires.jpg Here is what will most likely happen to your blade when you run over 3 inch logs or rocks. This actually happened up in the main yard as I was trying to push the edges of the cleared areas out a bit further. There was some thick ivy like plant covering up a 3 inch chunk of wood. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/mower_blades_bent.jpg View Quote |
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That damage to your peppers does not look like juglone toxicity to me, but I could be dead wrong.
It looks more like a piercing sucking pest of some kind that has damaged the most actively growing area of the plant (the tip/bud.) Have you inspected for spider mites, et al? |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs:
That damage to your peppers does not look like juglone toxicity to me, but I could be dead wrong. It looks more like a piercing sucking pest of some kind that has damaged the most actively growing area of the plant (the tip/bud.) Have you inspected for spider mites, et al? View Quote My theory is the high temperatures and dry conditions push the roots to grow deeper and further to get water, which gets them out of the compost mixture and straight into the juglone clay. That is just my theory though, it could pests or any other things. My one pumpkin plant was covered in aphids, beetles, and spiders. The insects are really bad out there. If I do not hose my boots and socks down with bug spray I will come back with my ankles chewed up bad...that happens every single day I walk through the grass. I've started spraying things down with Permethrin SFR. The claims are it will keep the pests away for a couple months. I haven't used it on any of the vegetables yet, just the yard. Is there anything non-toxic that I can apply to take care of spider mites? I've used neem oil before, it sort of works at least for Japanese beetles. |
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will egg shells throw your ph off? i always save some before i plant and crush them up in the hole before i plant them.
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Originally Posted By SkeeterTZX:
will egg shells throw your ph off? i always save some before i plant and crush them up in the hole before i plant them. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/337848/IMG-8977-266548.JPG Cherokee Purple grown in a galvanized bucket in a shady yard. View Quote Egg shells and spot treatment of lime or Epson salts in the hole you where put the plant doesn't really change the soil PH. With all the limestone rock around here there shouldn't be any shortage of calcium in the soil but I still get blossom end rot all the time. I also added Tomato-tone or another tomato fertilizer when I did the planting. Both contained calcium. There are so many variables at this new property that it is hard to say what is the main problem. There could be different diseases in the soil that I haven't dealt with before, the shade and juglone might weaken the cell structure enough that even with calcium the fruit will still rot. It could be pests that I haven't dealt with, or damage from birds or deer. |
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Have you thought about just doing raised beds?
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Nice looking house you got there OP. Pretty jealous.
Been looking for something just like that. For quite some time now. Put multiple offers on a verse similar propertyabout a year ago but couldn't close on it. Keep us updated! Eta: is the house on the historical registry? If so is the historical society having any say in your project? |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Nice looking tomatoes. That picture is making me very hungry. Egg shells and spot treatment of lime or Epson salts in the hole you where put the plant doesn't really change the soil PH. With all the limestone rock around here there shouldn't be any shortage of calcium in the soil but I still get blossom end rot all the time. I also added Tomato-tone or another tomato fertilizer when I did the planting. Both contained calcium. There are so many variables at this new property that it is hard to say what is the main problem. There could be different diseases in the soil that I haven't dealt with before, the shade and juglone might weaken the cell structure enough that even with calcium the fruit will still rot. It could be pests that I haven't dealt with, or damage from birds or deer. View Quote I don't know that, and I don't know the chemistry, but I think no matter what you do to your acid-base levels, you're still going to get that. I think the tomatoes just can't do it. The raised bed suggestion is a good one, but you'll have two issues.... 1-If you're anywhere near a dripline, the overhanging trees will keep contributing juglone. 2-Squirrels will bury nuts in your raised beds, and each spring you'll have a toxic planting medium for your gardens. I'll keep saying it until you tell me you don't wanna...Front Yard. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs:
I'll keep saying it until you tell me you don't wanna...Front Yard. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
I have a better idea. How about I sell off all the walnut trees and use the proceeds to help by a tractor with a bucket and backhoe. Depending on what I can get for the trees I might just do that. View Quote So don't cut the trees and expect to garden. Cut the trees for other reasons if you want them gone, but not for that reason because you'll be disappointed. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs:
So don't cut the trees and expect to garden. Cut the trees for other reasons if you want them gone, but not for that reason because you'll be disappointed. View Quote I'm not done testing soil treatments and seeing if there is a work around but it would be foolish to expect anything other than being disappointed. I have about 15 small tomatoes and a dozen peppers to who for the 100+ man hours and $500 in materials and equipment. Not all was spent on the tomato bed but it was spent trying to clean up the yard and create the gardens. What is really disappointing is many of the pepper plants were nice big plants but didn't really flow and many didn't produce peppers at all. There is at least 50 bell pepper plants but the dozen peppers came from maybe 5 plants prodicing 1 to 3 peppers, the other plants have nothing. The hotter peppers seem immune though. So if you are into eating them that is an option for juglone soil. That also tells me there must be some way to counter act the juglone. If peppers and tomatoes are in a similar family and spicer peppers are immune, then they have to put out something that neutralizes the juglone or their roots must block it. With trees they graft root stock to grow the different size trees and give them better disease resistance. Can I graft a bell pepper plant on to a Jalapeno rootstock and then grow it in juglone soil? If I ever have time to experiment I think I will do just that, experiment. I should also save seeds from the bell peppers that did produce well and see if over the years I selectively breed a juglone resistant bell pepper. |
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You know.
My yard is full of hickory trees. First year and half my garden was kick ass. Then went to shit. Tomatoes everything doesn't grow...or fruit...or does out like your pictures. What grows good. Hot peppers,sweet potatoes,beans. Asparagus,lettuce. Sqaush,zucchini,even my okra hardley anything. I've tried,compost,new soil, good seeds you name it. I've done raised beds to. But the tree rats bury nuts in everything. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
I agree. If you remember this spring I said I wanted to test juglone to see how bad it really was. I will admit it is bad. Not as bad as people led me to believe but it does pretty much ruin any vegetable garden. I'm not done testing soil treatments and seeing if there is a work around but it would be foolish to expect anything other than being disappointed. I have about 15 small tomatoes and a dozen peppers to who for the 100+ man hours and $500 in materials and equipment. Not all was spent on the tomato bed but it was spent trying to clean up the yard and create the gardens. What is really disappointing is many of the pepper plants were nice big plants but didn't really flow and many didn't produce peppers at all. There is at least 50 bell pepper plants but the dozen peppers came from maybe 5 plants prodicing 1 to 3 peppers, the other plants have nothing. The hotter peppers seem immune though. So if you are into eating them that is an option for juglone soil. That also tells me there must be some way to counter act the juglone. If peppers and tomatoes are in a similar family and spicer peppers are immune, then they have to put out something that neutralizes the juglone or their roots must block it. With trees they graft root stock to grow the different size trees and give them better disease resistance. Can I graft a bell pepper plant on to a Jalapeno rootstock and then grow it in juglone soil? If I ever have time to eximent I think I will do just that, experiment. I should also save seeds from the bell peppers that did produce well and see if over the years I selectively breed a juglone resistant bell pepper. View Quote I am overwhelmed with work and trying to put up a building at the moment, so don't have any helpful input or a well-thought out answer, but I hope at some point you get to follow up, or revisit the question at the very least. I would like to have time to pull up some research from sources I know of, and do a little reading around it. I just can't right now. Nevertheless, you've got a great property and there are ways to exploit that back yard, for certain. More on this later. You've got your hands full with the house at the moment anyhow. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Big post about a tree. It also lets you see progress of the circle drive flower bed. About a month ago I had part of a tree come down in the circle driveway. Thankfully the g/f was not there at the time as it fell exactly where she parks. The tree is called "Tree of Heaven" with the actual name being Ailanthus altissima. It is actually an invasive species what spreads by massive amount of seeds and by suckers from the roots of existing trees. It grows fast, which means the limbs are very brittle. For some the trees growing around this house also rot from the inside out and become hollow as you will see in the pictures. It is the really odd, as the tree will be healthy and growing but then you would around to back side and you can see the entire middle of the tree is gone. One characteristic of this tree is that branches smell like peanut butter when break them. That is the only pleasant thing about this tree. Here is a shot of the branch that broke off. If you look close you can see the branch was hollow, other pictures below will show it better. There is also a very large branch that goes off to the left. The part of the tree that it connects to is hollow, so with that structure weekend I knew I would have to remove that branch soon. It leans into a cedar tree which would complicate the remove, especially since the branch is L shaped which means it might not fall like a regular branch, not to mention the tree trunk could shatter at any point from a shifting load. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_brokeoff_6_29_2017.jpg Here it is on the ground where there is usually a car parked. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_down_6_29_2017.jpg On Sunday, 7/30/2017, I was walking the property and noticed something seemed different about the circle driveway. I started noticing that it had a little more light than usual, then I looked up. The trunk had given way and branch could fall at any time. Now it could fall where the g/f drives in, where she parks, and where she walks to get to the house. So the branch at least had to come all the way down. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_cracked_7_31_2017.jpg http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_cracked1_7_31_2017.jpg It took some effort, especially since I didn't want to fall off the ladder while trying to cut it down, get smacked by it falling the wrong way, or have something jar the chainsaw and have it slice me up. Not to mention that apparently the bar on my chainsaw was bent as it keeps cutting at angles and then binding even with new chains. I could only get about half way through the limb and saw would bind. Then I started to remove material from the trunk hoping that it wouldn't shatter as I was hanging off the ladder and cutting. After enough cuts with no results I stopped for my own safety. I resorted to the redneck way, using my Dodge and tow strap to yank on it from a distance until it finally gave way. It eventually worked. If anyone wants to film my antics and narrate during them I'm sure it would make for an entertaining video. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_down_7_31_2017.jpg http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_down1_7_31_2017.jpg http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_down2_7_31_2017.jpg I just let it lay there on Monday as I knew I needed to get a new bar for my chainsaw. Tonight I finally got back with a new bar and chain. The saw made quick work of the tree as it is soft wood and hollow in the middle. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_cut_7_31_2017.jpg http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_cut1_7_31_2017.jpg http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_cut2_7_31_2017.jpg Here is what remained of the trunk after getting the branch down. The whole thing is pretty much hollow. Even the large portion of the trunk is rotted in the middle. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_remaining_7_31_2017.jpg A close up of the hollow branches and you can see the center of the branch starting to hollow out, even though that branch is perfectly healthy. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_hollow1_7_31_2017.jpg After that I split the larger pieces and then loaded it up into the truck. I chopped off the main trunk to make it look even at least. Not sure what I am going to do with it. That branch was holding up my motion lights so I might try to keep it at least until I take the rest of the tree down. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/yard/treebranch_driveway_loaded_7_31_2017.jpg I still need to clean the brush up. That will have to wait for another day. View Quote That cedar is a great tree and makes a nice focal point for the circle. Some small, understory trees might fill it in if you want more there other than lower plantings. Ailanthus is a great tree if you have nothing else for shade. Otherwise it's a weed, sorry to say. |
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Originally Posted By protus:
You know. My yard is full of hickory trees. First year and half my garden was kick ass. Then went to shit. Tomatoes everything doesn't grow...or fruit...or does out like your pictures. What grows good. Hot peppers,sweet potatoes,beans. Asparagus,lettuce. Sqaush,zucchini,even my okra hardley anything. I've tried,compost,new soil, good seeds you name it. I've done raised beds to. But the tree rats bury nuts in everything. View Quote When you introduce exotic species (tomatoes, for instance) they are not prepared. Hickory is in the same "tribe" as walnut. Both are amazing trees for food, wood, and strength/longevity. But they both inhibit more plants than most tree species. Pecan has this going as well. Even Maple trees have some level of allelopathy. But it's much, much milder than the nut trees. Can you move your garden? I have learned to combat the effect by using raised beds and covering them in the winter. I also dig in a lot of compost each year to dilute the juglone. So far that's been effective. For flower boxes on my porch and around the property, I just plant to buy bagged potting mix and replace it each spring. I dump the used mix in holes or low spots in the yard, or in flower beds around the nut trees. I have learned some landscape plants that will grow unhindered, but no veggies. Y'all are way ahead of me with that. |
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Garden sits in the only area that gets good Sun year round and is not shaded by trees.
On top of the hickory we have live oaks and white oaks. Problem got worse when I tilled extra deep one year. I've added new soil,compost,let the beds sit for 6+ months,rotated crops etc. Raised beds was next on the list. Stuff grows but man nothing like it did at first. |
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Originally Posted By protus:
Garden sits in the only area that gets good Sun year round and is not shaded by trees. On top of the hickory we have live oaks and white oaks. Problem got worse when I tilled extra deep one year. I've added new soil,compost,let the beds sit for 6+ months,rotated crops etc. Raised beds was next on the list. Stuff grows but man nothing like it did at first. View Quote If you dig a little with a fork (six inches down or so) in the spring before you plant, you will unearth any nuts the tree rats planted before you got the hardware cloth on the beds. ALWAYS plan to dig in some compost. That will help dilute whatever is there. Nuts and oaks. Best deciduous trees in the universe. (I would add maples into that) But also the most damaging to anything growing around them. It's a blessing having those, but if you want to garden, you've got to get creative. |
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Sounds like a great excuse to put a high tunnel over a raised bed.
Would keep all but the most ambitious squirrels out and extend the growing season as a bonus. |
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Interesting idea, Kallnojoy.
I admit that high tunnel crops don't taste QUITE as good as "out in the sun" crops to me, but they're sure nice in early spring and late fall when no homegrown is available. |
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Ouch water meter usage reads over 15,000 gallons !
I received a notice from the water company today. Current month usage is over 15,000 gallons which is very high considering I barely use any water there. At most 2,000 gallons would be what I had used. I knew there was a leak somewhere as I previously noticed the meter continue to slowly tick with everything turned off. The previous owner had mentioned the line in the yard being broken before and pointed to a general area. I had dug a hole but couldn't find the pipe or any sign of water. Last weekend I ran down to Atlanta to visit my brother for several reasons. One being that I bought him a metal detector for Christmas a couple years ago. Others in this thread have suggested I get one to see what treasures I could find on the property. I figured it might help me find the water line too, so I made the trip and got it. The metal detector is mostly useless, iron signatures everywhere. However, it gave a strong enough tone that I could tell which direction the pipe ran under the brick porch. That gave me a general direction on where to look in the yard. Then I finally noticed about 1 sq foot of grass was about 6 inches tall compared to the other areas about 4 feet. Also part of the dirt pile from the previous hole that I had dug was by the grass and showed signs of moisture, even though it hasn't rained recently. I started digging in that spot and the dirt was heavy. A little more digging and I could tell there was definitely moisture down there. I started opening up good size hole and excavating dirt with the shovel to see if water started seeping and sure enough it did. I dug down deeper and finally found the pipe. There is a connection, copper to poly or cast iron to poly, can't really tell as it is all covered in mud at this point. Water was filling the hole in a steady trickle at the point. So I shut the water off and will let it dry out a bit. The reason the leak was so hard to find was the clay soil. It has dumped 13,000 gallons of water in that one spot and the clay locked it all below the surface. Now I need to dig the hole deeper and make the proper repairs to the pipe. I will have pictures later. I expect the water bill to run around $250 for the month. At that price I could have rented the Termite again for a weekend and dug up my entire front yard and replaced that entire section of pipe. There was no guarantee the leak was in the front yard though, as I couldn't find any signs. The water pipe also go through 2 crawl spaces that I really can't access. The pipe is also buried in the clay dirt in those placed. Sorry for the rambling post. Just excited I finally found the leak after over a year of trying to track it down. |
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Originally Posted By kallnojoy:
You'll get that leak fixed I'm sure... And then the cable crew will get to your block and lose another bit or three... View Quote |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Ouch water meter usage reads over 15,000 gallons ! I received a notice from the water company today. Current month usage is over 15,000 gallons which is very high considering I barely use any water there. At most 2,000 gallons would be what I had used. I knew there was a leak somewhere as I previously noticed the meter continue to slowly tick with everything turned off. The previous owner had mentioned the line in the yard being broken before and pointed to a general area. I had dug a hole but couldn't find the pipe or any sign of water. Last weekend I ran down to Atlanta to visit my brother for several reasons. One being that I bought him a metal detector for Christmas a couple years ago. Others in this thread have suggested I get one to see what treasures I could find on the property. I figured it might help me find the water line too, so I made the trip and got it. The metal detector is mostly useless, iron signatures everywhere. However, it gave a strong enough tone that I could tell which direction the pipe ran under the brick porch. That gave me a general direction on where to look in the yard. Then I finally noticed about 1 sq foot of grass was about 6 inches tall compared to the other areas about 4 feet. Also part of the dirt pile from the previous hole that I had dug was by the grass and showed signs of moisture, even though it hasn't rained recently. I started digging in that spot and the dirt was heavy. A little more digging and I could tell there was definitely moisture down there. I started opening up good size hole and excavating dirt with the shovel to see if water started seeping and sure enough it did. I dug down deeper and finally found the pipe. There is a connection, copper to poly or cast iron to poly, can't really tell as it is all covered in mud at this point. Water was filling the hole in a steady trickle at the point. So I shut the water off and will let it dry out a bit. The reason the leak was so hard to find was the clay soil. It has dumped 13,000 gallons of water in that one spot and the clay locked it all below the surface. Now I need to dig the hole deeper and make the proper repairs to the pipe. I will have pictures later. I expect the water bill to run around $250 for the month. At that price I could have rented the Termite again for a weekend and dug up my entire front yard and replaced that entire section of pipe. There was no guarantee the leak was in the front yard though, as I couldn't find any signs. The water pipe also go through 2 crawl spaces that I really can't access. The pipe is also buried in the clay dirt in those placed. Sorry for the rambling post. Just excited I finally found the leak after over a year of trying to track it down. View Quote |
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Juglone update. Awhile back, a month or so, when the juglone started affecting all my plants really bad I mixed up a lime slurry and a gypsum (calcium and sulfur with a neutral ph) and applied each to a section of plants. The tomato plants that I treated with lime have new growth with no leaf curl or wilting and one plant even has a small tomato on it. The lime may or may not have anything to do with it but given that none of the other plants in that area recovered like that it is a possibility. In the main garden the tomato plants are pretty much all dead. One section did start growing out again as well. That section of the garden had a hybrid variety called Big Daddy planted. http://www.burpee.com/vegetables/tomatoes/tomato-big-daddy-hybrid-prod002743.html Being a hybrid I won't get the same plants from the seeds. To the left of those plants I grew the heirloom Abe Lincoln variety and one of those still has slight life left in it. Otherwise tomatoes were pretty much a bust this year. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
I will have a couple interesting updates about the history of the house shortly. I need to get some better pictures if I can. Things I found/learned. I have a drawing of the various additions and years they were built (thought I posted it already but don't see it), the exterior of the original 1789 house in an attic space, the exterior of the addition built next to it, and the porch roof beems were enclosed to create what is now the breakfast room. All of those are visible in the final attic space I got into. There is also soot on an exterior wall of that addition, which I just learned was where an early chimney used to be. The ceiling in that addition room was confusing as it had rough cut timbers, a layer of drywall, and then two layers of old plaster over the drywall. How would plaster get put over drywall? According to my historian friend that room was "modernized" in the mid 1930's when the form of drywall was created. He said that drywall would have holes through it for the plaster to catch and hold on to. The paint on the ceiling does not stick and it is cracked. I will have to see how solid it is. A skim coat of drywall mud might be enough to fix it. Otherwise I am very tempted to remove the ceiling to get rid of the cracks and lead paint and then put new drywall up. A teaser image. The exterior of the 1789 house with whitewashed brick, the original sofit molding, and wooden shingles. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/unique/1789exterior_in_attic.jpg View Quote And it'll sure lighten the load on that part of the house. I figure I'm tough enough when it comes to dealing with building things, but I will admit right here in front of Arfcom that I have cried one time while redoing this old house. That was taking down plaster, and *I* was the one wielding the demo tools. I looked around me and thought, "we have made such a huge ******** mistake." I just lost heart. Plaster is a mess. I'd get it over with. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
After a couple attempts I finally patched the main water line leak that I found. The first patch was still leaking around the end of the pipe despite multiple hose clamps. So I excavated more dirt and replaced more of the line. I finally got that whole area to stop leaking. Unfortunately the meter is still spinning when the water is off, to the tune of about a 2,000 a gallon month leak. That is a whole lot better than a 13,000 gallon leak but still not good. The pipe is cast iron and had rusted through in a couple spots. The interior is halfway clogged with calcium and mineral build up. I have not filled in the hole yet as I want to see if the other leak is before or after this patch. I am going to try to find a valve for the 1" poly pipe so that I stop the water. Then take the pipe apart again, put the valve in place, and turn on the meter. If the meter continues to tick then it is leaking in the front half of the yard. If it doesn't then it leaks towards the house. Towards the house I can did out by hand but towards the road will require an excavator. Video of the leak. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=357H1SMrddE Initial hole in front yard to get to the pipe. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak1.jpg You can see the grass on the left is longer than the rest of the yard. That was the only indicator that the leak was in that area. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak2.jpg Two leaks. A pin hole through the galvanized pipe and a leak from the previous patch. I may have made that leak worse with the digging which pulled the tubing off the pipe some. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak3.jpg Close up of the pinhole leak. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak4.jpg The cut galvanized pipe. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak5.jpg The mess I had afterwards. That clay just holds in the water. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak6.jpg The hole in the front yard. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak7.jpg What the galvanized pipe looks likes on the inside. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak8.jpg Using my borescope to get a closer view of the build up. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak8_11.jpg Inside the pipe with a borescope. That would explain my low water flow rate. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak8_2.jpg First patch. It still leaks. I pushed the poly pipe over 4" of the galvanized and had 3 clamps but it still leaked. My assumption was the galvanized pipe had a leak near the end of the poly. So I need to replace more of it. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak9.jpg Stupid mosquitoes. As I was trying to dig out a larger hole a dozen or so black tiger mosquitoes decided I looked like dinner. The thermal fogger would only chase them away for 5 minutes so I had to keep on fogging while working. I'm betting people driving by were nervous seeing a huge vapor cloud coming from the hole in my front yard. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak10.jpg I exposed another 2 feet of the pipe. The poly pipe patches come in 2 foot lengths. So might as replace as much of the old pipe as I can. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak11.jpg Bigger dirt pile. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak12.jpg The final patch and no more leaks (at least not in this spot). http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/plumbing/main_waterline_leak13.jpg ETA: I put a plug in the pipe at the hole and turned on the water at the meter, no movement from the meter at all over a 30 minute period. The remaining leak is between the hole and the house. Guess I better grab that shovel and start digging. I just hope it is not leaking under the concrete slab that bricks for the porch are sitting on. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
@Kitties-with-Sigs Juglone update. Awhile back, a month or so, when the juglone started affecting all my plants really bad I mixed up a lime slurry and a gypsum (calcium and sulfur with a neutral ph) and applied each to a section of plants. The tomato plants that I treated with lime have new growth with no leaf curl or wilting and one plant even has a small tomato on it. The lime may or may not have anything to do with it but given that none of the other plants in that area recovered like that it is a possibility. In the main garden the tomato plants are pretty much all dead. One section did start growing out again as well. That section of the garden had a hybrid variety called Big Daddy planted. http://www.burpee.com/vegetables/tomatoes/tomato-big-daddy-hybrid-prod002743.html Being a hybrid I won't get the same plants from the seeds. To the left of those plants I grew the heirloom Abe Lincoln variety and one of those still has slight life left in it. Otherwise tomatoes were pretty much a bust this year. http://www.afterhourtechs.com/millspring/garden/tomatoes_8_2017.jpg View Quote I'm no chemist, but I admit I have wondered about a treatment to sort of "undo" the juglone by offsetting or altering it somehow. What gave you the idea? |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs:
That's REALLY interesting about the slurry. I'm no chemist, but I admit I have wondered about a treatment to sort of "undo" the juglone by offsetting or altering it somehow. What gave you the idea? View Quote I plan on doing several tests, if I can find the time. I will scoop up several buckets of the soil from that area of the garden, mix it thoroughly and check the PH. I will keep some as a control, add lime to some and record the ph, add a bunch of lime to some, add gypsum to some, add elemental sulfur to some, I might try ammonia sulfate as well, and high doses of both sulfur to lower the PH but add lime and bring it to a normal level. Then plant 2 tomato seeds in each and record how they grow. The one catch is, from my reading sulfur has to be processed by microbes in the soil and their byproduct is what actually lowers the PH, so that might take some time. If there is a noticeable effect this should show it. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs:
I'd take the ceiling down now rather than later, because there WILL be a later. View Quote |
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For your water line:
First, I was shocked to see how shallow your water line is, but then I remembered you don't live in the frozen north. My water line is 8 feet down . Second, those hose clamps on poly line will leak eventually, and so will the rest of that old pipe. If it were me, I would dig up the entire run (especially since its that shallow) and replace it with poly and use cinch clamps. Otherwise you will just be continuing the cycle of locating/patching leaks with a mixture of different fixes. At least if all your main line connections are in only two places, such as the meter and somewhere accessible where the main meets indoor plumbing, problems are much easier to find and fix. Rent a machine to dig the trench for you and its an easy 1 day project. Well, with that house it will turn into 2 weeks, but I digress |
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These are just temporary patches. The entire line does need to be replaced and I have plans to do that but there are no simple tasks with this house.
Right now that line goes under the concrete pad on the porch and into a crawlspace that I can't get into. I want to move the line and run it into the basement of the 2 story house where I have easy access to shut it off. I would also like a bigger water line coming into the house and would like the meter moved so that I can make a straight shot into the basement instead of having all sorts of turns in it. Not sure if the water company would do that though. From what I read the ground only freezes about 5 inches deep here. I grew up in northern IL and the ground froze a lot deeper there. I don't miss it. Two other projects also impact the water line project. I want to level out the front yard or at least most of it. When I have that equipment in it would be easy to dig the trench for a water line. Ideally I would like to bury PVC and then run poly or pex line through it. The second project is the pavers for the paths. No matter how I do the waterline they are going to get messed up. I want to redo them, the right way, and lock them place. So the waterline project has to happen first, which means the yard leveling project should really happen too. Or I just keep renting equipment for each small project. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
There is something interesting about having the first version of drywall in the house. Not that anyone would be able to see it or could tell but it is interesting. The ceiling in that room had me confused because it is drywall nailed to the ceiling joists and then plaster under it. I will get some pictures so you can see. My first thought was "that's not possible" and my second thought was "someone must have been dumb when they made these repairs". At no time did I think it was possible for that to be normal and how they did things in the 1930s. View Quote It's kind of cool, isn't it? The skill to get it that smooth and level is impressive, IMO. |
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I've been busy with other things and really haven't done anything worth reporting with the house. I did get the water company to adjust my bill for the 15,000 gallon in a month leak. They took about $75 off the $180 bill.
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
I've been busy with other things and really haven't done anything worth reporting with the house. I did get the water company to adjust my bill for the 15,000 gallon in a month leak. They took about $75 off the $180 bill. View Quote Our water company would say, "it leaked on your property, so that's your bill." |
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I believe all they did was remove the additional "sewer" fees since the water didn't end up back in the sewer.
I have done almost nothing at the house for several weeks. Work has me swamped and I've been having terrible migraines daily for about 2 weeks now. They just zap all my motivation to do anything as well as leaving me worn out even though I don't do anything. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
I believe all they did was remove the additional "sewer" fees since the water didn't end up back in the sewer. I have done almost nothing at the house for several weeks. Work has me swamped and I've been having terrible migraines daily for about 2 weeks now. They just zap all my motivation to do anything as well as leaving me worn out even though I don't do anything. View Quote Migraines suck. Get well soon. We want you whole and back here with us in your thread. |
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There isn't too much to report as the gardens pretty much died off due to lack of watering; which was due to me not caring any more since they didn't produce. I didn't even a get a single pumpkin from 4 massive plants that I had. The watermelon were not worth anything. The blackberry plants actually did ok and I got a couple blackberries off the first year canes on the primocane variety I planted. The strawberry plants have multiplied well but the really didn't even try to produce berries. Too much shade for most plants, in addition to the walnut soil.
The next up tasks will be: 1. digging up more of the water line trying to find the leak and hoping it isn't under the porch slab...but I bet it is 2. Fixing one side of the roof member the proper way. Requires grinding down stucco, adding termination bars, and putting a new section of membrane down 3. Boring a hole through 3 rows of brick and re-configuring the natural gas lines to see if I can get natural gas turned on at the house. They pulled my shutoff valve at the street so I might have to pay for a "new" gas connection even though the house has had gas since at least the 1950s. Other ongoing tasks will be: 1. trapping more animals from inside the house 2. cleaning up all the droppings from said animals 3. getting more electrical lines rerun, considering adding a 200 amp panel in the middle of the house to run circuits out of 4. fix more interior plumbing lines, I now have some PEX parts and plan on replacing sections of copper, some with compressing fittings, with the pex Key tasks I need to complete at some point 1. finish the entire roof membrane 2. finish the entire soffit of the extended roof 3. get a gutter on the extended roof 4. reinforce the ladder gable that the extended roof is connected to 5. rewire the circuits in the ladder gable, adding new circuits, and adding camera circuits 6. finish the edging strip on the ladder gable If I can get those things done then I might finally be able to take a breather and not be so stressed about the house. The yard, brush, and gardens all gave me "quick wins" where I could accomplish something in a day and feel as if I actually did accomplish and finish something. Otherwise burnout and disgust will set in making the entire project a miserable experience since I would have no completed accomplishments. |
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