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Looks like this is exactly the welder I use, sans the color change. Northern Tool 120VAC flux core welder To round out your purchase, you need a welding helmet and gloves. You don't HAVE to have welding gloves, regular full leather gloves work as well, but welding gloves are preferred. Here is a pic of a cart from Norther Tool of the basics to get started welding. I think you may already have an angle grinder? If not, DO NOT GET A 4" ANGLE GRINDER!!! You want the 4 1/2". I know, I know, but trust me. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/165887/welding-cart-195702.JPG Double bonus: Both the welder and auto-dark helmet are on sale! The welder considerably so. View Quote |
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Just poking around on Craigslist https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/tls/6100572081.html https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/6104969224.html Either of those would do what you need. Do you have an electric dryer in your house? How close is it to the outside? If it has the right plug and you've got enough cord, you wouldn't even need to install a 220V outlet. Those small Lincoln's run off a regular household plug and will weld plenty of 3/16" steel with fluxcore wire. Are those the best welders out there? No. Are you going to take up semi-professional welding jobs or just use it a couple of times a year? What made the most difference in my welding was one of those autodarkening helmets. No more flipping the hood up and down and feeling around in the dark. $50 for a Harbor Freight model or $70 at Tractor Supply, it's like magic. View Quote The second link has been pulled, but those are old stick welders right? If I knew what to look for or avoid, I would be tempted to do that here in Kentucky---shop on Craigslist. HOWEVER.. A couple of things beyond ignorance are keeping me from it (ignorance about what, specifically, I'm looking at as far as condition and such, when dealing with old equipment in a new-to-me field). 1-I'm not going to install 220 outside (or in my garage, which isn't even wired for power) any time soon. Someday, but that's a LONG way down the road. If I have to deal with coming up with some sort of 220-capable extension cord to reach 50' (which is where I'd need to weld--in my driveway) I'll never get welding. That's the kind of "one thing stacks on top of another" that I'm already sick of dealing with in olde house restoration. I'm at the point where I just won't take on anything that depends on getting anything else done. It will end up as more junk piled in my garage waiting for me to "get something else ready." I'm not proud of it, but that's my life. 2-I'm really, really, REALLY enamored of the little welders (I know you didn't see my whole learning and decision process in the old thread, and that's a lot to read through if you don't need the education) I'm a small woman (back down to about 125 I'm guessing, after having maybe 20 extra on my aging body for a couple of years) and though I have always been very strong for my size, my days of wanting to schlepp anything very heavy are SO over. If I need a dolly to move it, I won't use it nearly as much as if I can just pick the thing up, carry it out to the driveway, drag out the tub with my equipment in it, plug into a 12- gauge drop cord attached to one of my 20-amp kitchen breakers (even this I have to feed out a window, still, which is a pita) and start welding. Once I saw what Rat_Patrol could do with his little welder, I was sold. I don't have his experience, of course, and that's why I'm a little scared of something as simple (so y'all say) as a mower deck. I won't be trying a trailer or car frame because, as @biere (I think it was him, anyway) would say, "I'm worried about the bus full of nuns." Beyond that, in school I used stick welders, and my memories of those are very fuzzy, and though I sure did love welding EVERYTHING I've seen online, and hearing all of you talk in posts about wire welders, has made me feel like stick is old school for my purposes. For bridges, tanks, skyscrapers and such....yeah I'm guessing stick welding is still god and goddess of that world. For me, at home in my driveway....wire welding seems like the way to go. There was a lot of back and forth about MIG vs flux core, but I have no shelter or wind break, so flux core seems like the way for me to start. This is a starter welder for me, and might be all I ever need. A lot of the guys with experience understand how limiting it will be for me, and wish I would get better equipment. But I want to see if I'll actually DO this, if that makes sense? Could I plug in a big welder and make it function and stick metal together? Yeah, probably. Though it would be awkward and I'd stick rods to shit and blow holes in shit and make all kinds of ugly mistakes. I'd be a lot more scared after all these years. I'm still nervous about screwing up even with the little welder. But y'all have inspired me to go for it. |
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Then you've made up your mind, go buy one of those little welders. There's nothing to it, just think of it as a glue gun that uses steel instead of plastic. It's tons easier to do than stick.
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I'd only recommend stick because a decent size semi-heavy machine can be cheap(er) and you have experience with it. I bought a Century stick machine last year from the fire chief's son for $80. I have a small 120v mig, but there's times when you need to weld some heavy stuff together on one pass. But if you can do stick, flux core mig is easy.
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Looks like this is exactly the welder I use, sans the color change. Northern Tool 120VAC flux core welder To round out your purchase, you need a welding helmet and gloves. You don't HAVE to have welding gloves, regular full leather gloves work as well, but welding gloves are preferred. Here is a pic of a cart from Norther Tool of the basics to get started welding. I think you may already have an angle grinder? If not, DO NOT GET A 4" ANGLE GRINDER!!! You want the 4 1/2". I know, I know, but trust me. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/165887/welding-cart-195702.JPG Double bonus: Both the welder and auto-dark helmet are on sale! The welder considerably so. View Quote Questions: 1-What's the beanie for? Does the welding helmet hurt? 2-I figure I will HAVE to use regular leather gloves because chances of finding welding gloves in my size without doing an expensive special order are probably going to be zero, but I will check that out. Nobody has small gloves that aren't soft fabric or pink or something. TSC has recently started carrying leather gloves for women (yeah, they're pink) but they have a fabric back. I may have to order anyhow. 3-I still need magnets, right? (though I suspect I can use a pipe clamp to crank the deck together enough to get it welded 4-Why 4.5 angle grinder instead of 4? I have a 4.5. This is my grinder, and I would get another like it (or similar) but I'd like to understand why 4.5 is better) I apparently followed instructions when y'all said I needed one of these last year. 5-I don't know what grinding wheels or brushes I need to buy that would be useful, and based on responses in the old thread, wire brushes really throw metal pieces. Seems like I need certain tools, including brushes, for welding, though, right? 6-Looks like Harbor Freight only has a 90-amp welder available right now. I thought they had a 125 too, but maybe they've dropped that one. Rat_Patrol, The only reason I'm looking is that I could walk in and set myself up TOMORROW to weld if I do Harbor Freight (we have one here). Yours looks like a better welder for hardly any more money though. Here's their low-end offering: HF 90 amp Flux Welder |
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Then you've made up your mind, go buy one of those little welders. There's nothing to it, just think of it as a glue gun that uses steel instead of plastic. It's tons easier to do than stick. View Quote |
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Women's welding gloves The shipping makes them expensive but if I can find something else I need at Amazon that will cut it down a lot. |
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Wow, that's even cheaper than when we looked last year! Questions: 1-What's the beanie for? Does the welding helmet hurt? 2-I figure I will HAVE to use regular leather gloves because chances of finding welding gloves in my size without doing an expensive special order are probably going to be zero, but I will check that out. Nobody has small gloves that aren't soft fabric or pink or something. TSC has recently started carrying leather gloves for women (yeah, they're pink) but they have a fabric back. I may have to order anyhow. 3-I still need magnets, right? (though I suspect I can use a pipe clamp to crank the deck together enough to get it welded 4-Why 4.5 angle grinder instead of 4? I have a 4.5. This is my grinder, and I would get another like it (or similar) but I'd like to understand why 4.5 is better) I apparently followed instructions when y'all said I needed one of these last year. http://www.fototime.com/0D748DFB759108C/standard.jpg http://www.fototime.com/C9E6B1E5C2DA2CE/standard.jpg 5-I don't know what grinding wheels or brushes I need to buy that would be useful, and based on responses in the old thread, wire brushes really throw metal pieces. Seems like I need certain tools, including brushes, for welding, though, right? 6-Looks like Harbor Freight only has a 90-amp welder available right now. I thought they had a 125 too, but maybe they've dropped that one. Rat_Patrol, The only reason I'm looking is that I could walk in and set myself up TOMORROW to weld if I do Harbor Freight (we have one here). Yours looks like a better welder for hardly any more money though. Here's their low-end offering: HF 90 amp Flux Welder View Quote Welding hat keeps sparks from burning your hair and scalp. Helmets do not hurt. Magnets are situationally depending, you will need them for for new fabrication far more than repair. Other tools to hold metal will eventually be needed as the project dictated. 4" grinders have low power and few attachments due to small arbor size. I'd get the northern tool welder myself, if for no other reason than more amps. |
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For starting out.. We have a chop saw. We use it for wood (it's a miter saw). Would y'all buy a metal blade for it and use that for cutting stuff? Or what? Is all angle iron the same "weight"? If not, what weight would y'all recommend for my mower deck? I know there's gonna be a gap there when I clean up that break. |
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One thing I forgot to ask.. Rat_Patrol, you had to change tips. Do I need extra tips? |
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On my phone, so it will be brief Welding hat keeps sparks from burning your hair and scalp. Helmets do not hurt. Magnets are situationally depending, you will need them for for new fabrication far more than repair. Other tools to hold metal will eventually be needed as the project dictated. 4" grinders have low power and few attachments due to small arbor size. I'd get the northern tool welder myself, if for no other reason than more amps. View Quote |
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I fent.
Bought the welder only, as shipping doubled when I added another item, and I think I can get the supplementary stuff locally for less money when I don't have to pay shipping. I may regret that. I shall now begin using the list to shop for stuff, and my welder will be here next week! |
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I fent. Bought the welder only, as shipping doubled when I added another item, and I think I can get the supplementary stuff locally for less money when I don't have to pay shipping. I may regret that. I shall now begin using the list to shop for stuff, and my welder will be here next week! View Quote As far as the tips, you can get those locally too, but you should go a while on what it comes with if you use the nozzle gel as often as practical. A chop saw is NOT the same as a wood miter saw. Not sure if they make the proper metal cutting blades for wood miter saws or not, never looked for one. Chop saws run about $60 for the cheaper ones and go up from there. They are basically required if you want to make straight cuts from long pieces of steel stock. A cutting torch is technically more universal, but the chop saw makes a perfect edge. Angle iron comes in all different dimensions and thicknesses. Doesn't even have to be the same on both sides. I generally stock 2" by 3/16" thick and 2" by 1/4" thick. Its just a matter of what does the job require. |
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As far as what to use for metal bracing for your mower deck, I would go as thick or 1/16" thicker than the brackets already there. Of course, I've been known to break that rule, using whatever I have on hand for stuff . Hence my massively overbuilt landscape rake beam
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Congrats! You can find nearly all that other stuff locally at a hardware store.
Welding gloves? Some guys won't even use gloves. Usually I just wear the thinner, cheap leather/denim work gloves for most welding work. I have leather sleeves and a leather apron if I'm working in awkward positions where sparks would land in more uncomfortable areas. |
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We have a chop saw. We use it for wood (it's a miter saw). Would y'all buy a metal blade for it and use that for cutting stuff? Or what? View Quote Evolution Rage2 14" chop saw It's one of my favorite tools in the shop. Cuts angle and square tubing like butter, and the steel (vs. abrasive) blade is a lot nicer to work with. Check out some youtube reviews on it. But hurry if you want one... it looks like it's being replaced by the EVOSAW380 a lot steeper price... |
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I would buy one of these and never look back: Evolution Rage2 14" chop saw It's one of my favorite tools in the shop. Cuts angle and square tubing like butter, and the steel (vs. abrasive) blade is a lot nicer to work with. Check out some youtube reviews on it. But hurry if you want one... it looks like it's being replaced by the EVOSAW380 a lot steeper price... View Quote |
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I have a ThermalArc stick/DC tig suitcase welder I bought off pops as part of a contract buy for his company a few years ago. I also have a bottle that is mine and not fucking Airgas. IMO, if youre going to have a gas welder, its key that YOU own the metal and not them. https://www.bakersgas.com/THEW1003807.html Thats the one I have. ThermalArc 201TS in case the link doesnt work. I have run it HOT for welding stick on a few occasions where I definitely exceeded the published duty cycle and it never even flinched. IMO, you buy two things with a welder: Stability and duty cycle. I can tell you, the arc on stick or TIG on mine is WAY easier to control at any amp setting than any of the cheaper welders. Again, IMO, welders are "get what you pay for", but that being said, the average Joe would be fine with the $400 Hobart from Northern. The other difference between cheaper welders and more expensive units is duty cycle. A quick peek at the manuals will show you that. Again, probably not a big issue for the average Joe. With that said, good welding is about 40% prep, 40% skill and 20% material in my experience. The times I was trying to weld China steel, it showed. You can trade one for the other in some cases in terms of prep/skill. |
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You need to master the art of metal salvage junkyard diving.
When I needed to build a tire rack for the open trailer, I hit the salvage yard. Found probably 60+ ft of 20ft sticks of angle. Someone had cut it all in half, then scrapped it. Best I can remember, I paid $100 for all of it. |
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Sandusky steel in Columbia KY has a good salvage pile to dig through.
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Yeah, tsc and such are the worst places to get steel. Look for actual steel supply and salvage yards as mentioned. You can also go to welding shops (manufacturer) and usually buy cutoffs at scrap price. |
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Looking good! Yeah, tsc and such are the worst places to get steel. Look for actual steel supply and salvage yards as mentioned. You can also go to welding shops (manufacturer) and usually buy cutoffs at scrap price. View Quote I googled "welding supplies in my town" and got it.. It's about ten miles from me and really convenient. I will go there, hopefully, tomorrow, and cross my fingers that there are nice guys behind the counter. They supply angle iron for BIG projects all over the region, so I will ask, first, "can I buy small quantities from y'all?" We will see what they say. ETA: Oh wait. You mean shops that manufacture things from metal.. I know a couple of those, too...in the small town south of me. |
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Ask if you can buy their scrap by the pound. They toss it, so the chance of them willing it to you at pennies on the dollar is good.
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We have one here in our town! I googled "welding supplies in my town" and got it.. It's about ten miles from me and really convenient. I will go there, hopefully, tomorrow, and cross my fingers that there are nice guys behind the counter. They supply angle iron for BIG projects all over the region, so I will ask, first, "can I buy small quantities from y'all?" We will see what they say. ETA: Oh wait. You mean shops that manufacture things from metal.. I know a couple of those, too...in the small town south of me. View Quote |
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Be aware that some steel supply places charge a cutting fee. Basically, that means it may be cheaper to buy a whole stick vs half a stick and cut charge.
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Every time I see a set of bed frame rails on the side of the road, I stop and pick them up. I don't know what they're made of, but some of them are as hard as wood pecker lips if you try to drill through it.
I used a set one time to make a 60qt cooler carrier for my jeep. The grinder is nothing to be afraid of. Keep both hands on the grinder and you won't have to worry about your hands. Just watch where the sparks go. You don't want them to fall on you or like dry grass or towels or something. I was cutting something once and the sparks where flying directly on my t-shirt. Next thing I noticed was a blue flame out of the corner of my eye. My t-shirt was on FIRE! I did the hookie pokie dance and beat it out with my hands since I was wearing gloves. I wasn't burned, I just looked like an idiot. |
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Every time I see a set of bed frame rails on the side of the road, I stop and pick them up. I don't know what they're made of, but some of them are as hard as wood pecker lips if you try to drill through it. I used a set one time to make a 60qt cooler carrier for my jeep. The grinder is nothing to be afraid of. Keep both hands on the grinder and you won't have to worry about your hands. Just watch where the sparks go. You don't want them to fall on you or like dry grass or towels or something. I was cutting something once and the sparks where flying directly on my t-shirt. Next thing I noticed was a blue flame out of the corner of my eye. My t-shirt was on FIRE! I did the hookie pokie dance and beat it out with my hands since I was wearing gloves. I wasn't burned, I just looked like an idiot. View Quote Wait. I'm not laughing at you. That's not funny. Oh wait. Yes it is! |
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While that is absolutely true, I've found that more than anything else, it's a garage and outbuildings stuffed full of tools and equipment. View Quote A lifetime collection of practical, quality tools is an extremely undervalued component of many old guys' estates. I shop a lot of garage/farm sales, and I find myself wondering at the tales some of these tools could tell. That rusty, beat-up old Delta radial arm saw could have meant half a year's savings for some struggling dustbowl-era carpenter, toted home and dutifully wiped down after every job. A hundred years later, it's sitting in a great-grandkid's garage, about to be sold off for thirty bucks to make room for the new kegerator that will surely impress everyone at Mr. Grandkids' weekly emotional outreach support group. |
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That's definitely a big part of it. Can't learn the skills without the tools. A lifetime collection of practical, quality tools is an extremely undervalued component of many old guys' estates. I shop a lot of garage/farm sales, and I find myself wondering at the tales some of these tools could tell. That rusty, beat-up old Delta radial arm saw could have meant half a year's savings for some struggling dustbowl-era carpenter, toted home and dutifully wiped down after every job. A hundred years later, it's sitting in a great-grandkid's garage, about to be sold off for thirty bucks to make room for the new kegerator that will surely impress everyone at Mr. Grandkids' weekly emotional outreach support group. View Quote When I married uxb, an older gentleman and his wife were parents of uxb's best friend, and were like second parents to us. I've never seen anything like his property. It was a beautiful old stone house that he had built himself, on a farm he'd farmed his whole life. He no longer farmed at the time I knew him. He was already retired. But you had to be careful about saying to him, "I can't find X" because a couple of days later he would show up at your house with it. And he would have MADE IT. If it was an old hinge that needed replacing, and you couldn't find one to match, he would come over, measure, look closely at it, leave, then two days later he'd be there with one he freaking MADE. I mean he made it from scratch, out of metal. He cut, welded, worked, drilled, and finished it. He could make anything out of wood. He could wire a house. He could work metal. He could plumb. He could lay block or brick. I never saw him pour concrete but I have no doubt he could do that as well as any professional. He could roof. There was, basically, nothing the man couldn't do. And he owned the tool to do it. I grew up that way, around people who did for themselves. When I left the farm and moved away, then got married, I struggled with having to pay other people to do everything. Being able to do things with metal is a big step for me, back toward more self-sufficiency. I think when you're built to want to do things yourself, it's never okay when you can't. |
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A lifetime collection of practical, quality tools is an extremely undervalued component of many old guys' estates. I shop a lot of garage/farm sales, and I find myself wondering at the tales some of these tools could tell. That rusty, beat-up old Delta radial arm saw could have meant half a year's savings for some struggling dustbowl-era carpenter, toted home and dutifully wiped down after every job. A hundred years later, it's sitting in a great-grandkid's garage, about to be sold off for thirty bucks to make room for the new kegerator that will surely impress everyone at Mr. Grandkids' weekly emotional outreach support group. View Quote I dunno. He paid a lot for his tools, and took very good care of them. However, today, most hand tools are disposable. Yes, they're of lesser quality - they're also so cheap you can buy 3 of everything. I wish he had lived long enough to see Harbor Freight, and 3-D printing. Lithium-Ion operated tools you can work on your car with or tear out a wall w/. Whereas my grandfather was a craftsman in wood, I hope to be able to carve metal. And the tools are inexpensive enough that I can aspire to do so. |
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Good news and bad news...
The bad news.. The welding shop in my town..no longer supplies metal. I'm going to have to look elsewhere, or plan to pay through the nose when I need something. I *can* order from the welding shop's parent company in Elizabethtown (which supplies angle iron and other metal, including enormous I-beams, to contractors at all levels, and they will deliver to the shop the following day. There is a $10 delivery fee. I don't think that fee is exhorbitant, but it does add to the cost of the metal, especially if I'm only getting a piece or two. I don't know enough about what I will regularly need yet, to order more and just have it lying around. Apparently the one seller of metal in town charges about the same as TSC prices. The good news? My welder arrives tomorrow!!! Update: I found a place called Powell's Welding and Metal Sales in Hopkinsville, KY, about 45 minutes from me. It looks promising. I will call tomorrow. |
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Good news and bad news... The bad news.. The welding shop in my town..no longer supplies metal. I'm going to have to look elsewhere, or plan to pay through the nose when I need something. I *can* order from the welding shop's parent company in Elizabethtown (which supplies angle iron and other metal, including enormous I-beams, to contractors at all levels, and they will deliver to the shop the following day. There is a $10 delivery fee. I don't think that fee is exhorbitant, but it does add to the cost of the metal, especially if I'm only getting a piece or two. I don't know enough about what I will regularly need yet, to order more and just have it lying around. Apparently the one seller of metal in town charges about the same as TSC prices. The good news? My welder arrives tomorrow!!! Update: I found a place called Powell's Welding and Metal Sales in Hopkinsville, KY, about 45 minutes from me. It looks promising. I will call tomorrow. View Quote I tend to build up projects and make the trip worth while, and I stock the common stuff I frequently use. I'm sure you will likely end up doing similar. |
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I spent a night in Elizabethtown last year. There's not a steel yard there? Or do you have to all the way up to Louisville?
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I spent a night in Elizabethtown last year. There's not a steel yard there? Or do you have to all the way up to Louisville? View Quote If this Hopkinsville place works out, it will be my best option. Even better than Sandusky's, which is in my home town. That's a full hour and a half from me. |
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I'm actually fortunate that there is a regular metal supply company only 1 hour drive away. I tend to build up projects and make the trip worth while, and I stock the common stuff I frequently use. I'm sure you will likely end up doing similar. View Quote Has that happened only recently? Or has it always been hard to get metal? |
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I had no idea that metal supply was so hard to find. Has that happened only recently? Or has it always been hard to get metal? View Quote You can find metal lots of places, for a price. If there is a small fab/repair welding shop locally, odds are they would include full stick orders to their run with little fee. Could save you travel time. I actually do that a lot, but it's my brother that has the welding biz. |
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Not hard to find really. Just centered around Industrial areas. You can find metal lots of places, for a price. If there is a small fab/repair welding shop locally, odds are they would include full stick orders to their run with little fee. Could save you travel time. I actually do that a lot, but it's my brother that has the welding biz. View Quote I know he uses a lot of metal. I plan to swing by there tomorrow and say, "Hey, Randy, will you sell me some metal from your scrap pile? I need to practice." He's an odd duck, so he may say no. But it's worth a try. Once he knows I'm tryin' to weld, and I tell him I'm havin' a hard time getting metal, he might offer. We'll see. ETA: No wonder you can weld like hell's bridge builder. You have family that welds for a living! |
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Another option, look for places that sell wrought iron fence parts. There's a place near me that sells all the parts to build fence, but then they have pipe, tubing, angle, everything to weld together your own wrought iron stuff. You should look this up anyway, once you get into this kind of stuff, it's addicting. http://www.kingmetals.com/ They can UPS the smaller decorative stuff to you, the bigger stuff not so much. Their steel is somewhat more expensive than the steel yard, but it's not the gang bang you get buying little pieces at Home Depot.
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Gimme a minute. I'm reading the manual.
That little plastic-looking thing that screws on the end of the welding gun... Tell me it's not actually plastic, but some kind of aluminum or something? Yours looked like it had something like that on it. I'm getting pics.. |
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Gimme a minute. I'm reading the manual. That little plastic-looking thing that screws on the end of the welding gun... Tell me it's not actually plastic, but some kind of aluminum or something? Yours looked like it had something like that on it. I'm getting pics.. View Quote |
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