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Posted: 5/24/2019 3:30:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2019 3:05:40 PM EDT
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Something like the Ruger 9mm carbine for the younger ones and AR for the adult.
If you carry Glock sidearms you only have two magazine styles, one for rifle and one for pistol/carbine. These would also be easier calibers to scrounge ammo and mags for as they are both pretty common. |
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Posted: 6/1/2019 7:53:41 AM EDT
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AR15s and SigPros.
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Posted: 6/4/2019 2:13:57 PM EDT
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 $299 PSA Freedom AR-15 Kit |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 9:08:30 PM EDT
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TLDR
Kids aren’t that tough. Can probably just shoot them with a regular 9mm pistol |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 2:13:29 AM EDT
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I'm going through the same thing with my 13 year old daughter.
As of a year ago she couldn't shoulder a 16"AR. She also want comfortable with the blast and noise. Recoil-wise, it didn't bother her. I think the problem with blow back PCC is they have just as much heft and recoil as ARs. At this point i think I'd rather have her shooting a 10-22 she can actually hit stuff with, than a rifle she's uncomfortable with. |
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:37:19 AM EDT
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This. AR15 in 556 and glock 19s all around. |
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Posted: 6/9/2019 7:55:25 AM EDT
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I'm going through the same thing with my 13 year old daughter. As of a year ago she couldn't shoulder a 16"AR. She also want comfortable with the blast and noise. Recoil-wise, it didn't bother her. I think the problem with blow back PCC is they have just as much heft and recoil as ARs. At this point i think I'd rather have her shooting a 10-22 she can actually hit stuff with, than a rifle she's uncomfortable with. just practice clearing failures. not over the top but something like "this rifle works like our lawnmower, needs constant attention". |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 2:29:25 PM EDT
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TLDR Kids aren't that tough. Can probably just shoot them with a regular 9mm pistol |
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Posted: 6/12/2019 6:34:12 PM EDT
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10/22 is the answer. just find the ammo that is reliable in your gun. 10/22 with a way to hold 2-3mags. factory fiber sights are fine and easy for newbs. just practice clearing failures. not over the top but something like "this rifle works like our lawnmower, needs constant attention". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm going through the same thing with my 13 year old daughter. As of a year ago she couldn't shoulder a 16"AR. She also want comfortable with the blast and noise. Recoil-wise, it didn't bother her. I think the problem with blow back PCC is they have just as much heft and recoil as ARs. At this point i think I'd rather have her shooting a 10-22 she can actually hit stuff with, than a rifle she's uncomfortable with. just practice clearing failures. not over the top but something like "this rifle works like our lawnmower, needs constant attention". |
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Posted: 6/16/2019 11:43:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M&P 15-22 is actually the answer. Same manual of arms as an AR-15 and adjustable length of pull. Its light weight and you can mount a red dot or scope. |
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Posted: 6/27/2019 3:42:50 AM EDT
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Logistics come into play as well.
Unless it's end of the world type SHTF, you really don't want to be shooting at anything outside the range of a 9mm carbine. 9mm is cheaper to stack deep than .223. Less flash, etc. for the newbies. If you have carbines that use Glock mags and your pistols are all glocks, less magazines types to worry about. If I could do it all over again, I'd have AR's in .223 for me, dad, brother in law and wife and AR's in 9mm for the kids and sisters. g19's all around (got that now). I have a crapload of 9mm stacked away. My theory (based on my experiences in S. Africa) is that a hole is a hole if you put it in the right place. You really don't need to be shooting at anything outside of 9mm range unless it is the end of the world - at 100 yards you can still get away. Most people can't hit shit at 100 yards and above. And finally, unless you have a REALLY determined criminal on your hands, he's going to run once the bullets start flying. Only once had one not run, but he was incredibly high on Tik or some other kind of upper. 9mm AR's are so cheap to put together now. They aren't my first choice - I'd much rather have CZ Scorpions, but mag choices keep me to the AR9 platform. Maybe the Ruger PC9's as others recommended? Whatever you choose, take it to the range and run the hell out of it. Make sure it works with the ammo you have. Make sure the magazines are GTG, especially if you aren't running OEM mags. I've had some embarrassing moments with magpul and ETS mags. |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 8:45:51 PM EDT
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My girls (13 and 15) have had their own identical mid length ARs for a couple years now. Pretty KISS, they have clamshell handguards and carry handles for rear sights, and B5 bravo buttstocks. They shoot them fine, zeroed on their own and are pretty consistent on steel at 200 from the prone.
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Posted: 7/2/2019 11:39:03 PM EDT
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Both should be fine with ARs imo.
Don't overload them with gadgets and can openers. Simple and light. Rifle, red dot and training. Same for pistol. Keep it simple 9mm sig or glock, night sights and training. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 8:24:12 AM EDT
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Someone that age should have absolutely no issues handling a rifle/ carbine chambered in 5.56 mm.
Don't sell them short by providing anything else and some instruction to go along with the gun. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 8:38:10 AM EDT
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Just don't lead them so much... |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 8:43:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't overload them with gadgets and can openers. Simple and light. Rifle, red dot and training. Same for pistol. Keep it simple 9mm sig or glock, night sights and training. I'm a big fan of not letting someone use an optic till they have done well with the basics and iron sights for a while. I wouldn't put an optic on my son's rifle till he was pretty consistent at 200 yards with irons on an AK. I've seen too many "buy a solution" type guys that didn't learn/won't listen/pay attention to the basics that sucked azz with BRM that took the "well if I buy a $1200. ACOG I'm bound to shoot better." Now they are still yanking on the damn trigger and jumping off it immediately, just with a pretty optic up top. The basics are the basics and that will make or break things. Too often though lazy preppers look for a solution they can BUY instead of spending the time in training and practice. A high dollar optic with a mediocre shooter is still a mediocre system. A high dollar optic with a good shooter is a good system. Can't truly cut corners on this, it's a lot of range time, a lot of training. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 8:50:43 AM EDT
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My daughter struggles to hold up even a LW AR for more than 30 rds, but can handle an EVO in 9mm very easily. I'd probably just give her the EVO as we would be carrying 9mm handguns also.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 3:34:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. I'm a big fan of not letting someone use an optic till they have done well with the basics and iron sights for a while. I wouldn't put an optic on my son's rifle till he was pretty consistent at 200 yards with irons on an AK. I've seen too many "buy a solution" type guys that didn't learn/won't listen/pay attention to the basics that sucked azz with BRM that took the "well if I buy a $1200. ACOG I'm bound to shoot better." Now they are still yanking on the damn trigger and jumping off it immediately, just with a pretty optic up top. The basics are the basics and that will make or break things. Too often though lazy preppers look for a solution they can BUY instead of spending the time in training and practice. A high dollar optic with a mediocre shooter is still a mediocre system. A high dollar optic with a good shooter is a good system. Can't truly cut corners on this, it's a lot of range time, a lot of training. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 3:34:28 PM EDT
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My daughter struggles to hold up even a LW AR for more than 30 rds, but can handle an EVO in 9mm very easily. I'd probably just give her the EVO as we would be carrying 9mm handguns also. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 2:05:35 AM EDT
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.223 AR with suppressor. For both.
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Posted: 7/8/2019 11:23:47 PM EDT
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Yes. I'm a big fan of not letting someone use an optic till they have done well with the basics and iron sights for a while. I wouldn't put an optic on my son's rifle till he was pretty consistent at 200 yards with irons on an AK. I've seen too many "buy a solution" type guys that didn't learn/won't listen/pay attention to the basics that sucked azz with BRM that took the "well if I buy a $1200. ACOG I'm bound to shoot better." Now they are still yanking on the damn trigger and jumping off it immediately, just with a pretty optic up top. The basics are the basics and that will make or break things. Too often though lazy preppers look for a solution they can BUY instead of spending the time in training and practice. A high dollar optic with a mediocre shooter is still a mediocre system. A high dollar optic with a good shooter is a good system. Can't truly cut corners on this, it's a lot of range time, a lot of training. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Don't overload them with gadgets and can openers. Simple and light. Rifle, red dot and training. Same for pistol. Keep it simple 9mm sig or glock, night sights and training. I'm a big fan of not letting someone use an optic till they have done well with the basics and iron sights for a while. I wouldn't put an optic on my son's rifle till he was pretty consistent at 200 yards with irons on an AK. I've seen too many "buy a solution" type guys that didn't learn/won't listen/pay attention to the basics that sucked azz with BRM that took the "well if I buy a $1200. ACOG I'm bound to shoot better." Now they are still yanking on the damn trigger and jumping off it immediately, just with a pretty optic up top. The basics are the basics and that will make or break things. Too often though lazy preppers look for a solution they can BUY instead of spending the time in training and practice. A high dollar optic with a mediocre shooter is still a mediocre system. A high dollar optic with a good shooter is a good system. Can't truly cut corners on this, it's a lot of range time, a lot of training. +1 |
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Posted: 7/8/2019 11:42:50 PM EDT
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For me and my clan...
Ruger 10/22 AR-15 rifle/carbine/pistol all in 5.56 Glock 19 Remington 870 in 12 gauge Remington 700 in .223 and 308 For ammo... 22lr - CCI Minimag 40gr solid .223 - Speer Gold Dot 55gr 5.56 - M193 FMJ 9mm - Remington 115gr JHP .308 - Winchester Super X 180gr Power Point 12 gauge - Various #6 and #4 shells plus 00 buckshots and slugs Gotta standardize guns so you can keep minimal spare parts (cannibalize spare guns if necessary) and ammo. |
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Posted: 7/9/2019 4:14:10 AM EDT
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For me and my clan... Ruger 10/22 AR-15 rifle/carbine/pistol all in 5.56 Glock 19 Remington 870 in 12 gauge Remington 700 in .223 and 308 For ammo... 22lr - CCI Minimag 40gr solid .223 - Speer Gold Dot 55gr 5.56 - M193 FMJ 9mm - Remington 115gr JHP .308 - Winchester Super X 180gr Power Point 12 gauge - Various #6 and #4 shells plus 00 buckshots and slugs Gotta standardize guns so you can keep minimal spare parts (cannibalize spare guns if necessary) and ammo. I'm just about done with AR rifles and carbines. Switching to pistols all around except for my one rifle with A2 stock. I simply didn't shoot the carbines anymore. I either shot the AR pistols or the A2. Hard to beat a G19. They work. They conceal and feed anything you put in them. I'm a bit flakey on the 10-22's. I've never had one that ran reliably. I can understand a failure in every brick of ammo, but for me it was almost every mag. Regardless of ammo or magazine. I prefer lever or bolt action .22's. |
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Posted: 7/23/2019 5:19:52 PM EDT
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Solid choices there! I agree on the standardization part. A lot of people don't agree. I'm just about done with AR rifles and carbines. Switching to pistols all around except for my one rifle with A2 stock. I simply didn't shoot the carbines anymore. I either shot the AR pistols or the A2. Hard to beat a G19. They work. They conceal and feed anything you put in them. I'm a bit flakey on the 10-22's. I've never had one that ran reliably. I can understand a failure in every brick of ammo, but for me it was almost every mag. Regardless of ammo or magazine. I prefer lever or bolt action .22's. |
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Posted: 7/23/2019 6:21:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. I'm a big fan of not letting someone use an optic till they have done well with the basics and iron sights for a while. I wouldn't put an optic on my son's rifle till he was pretty consistent at 200 yards with irons on an AK. I've seen too many "buy a solution" type guys that didn't learn/won't listen/pay attention to the basics that sucked azz with BRM that took the "well if I buy a $1200. ACOG I'm bound to shoot better." Now they are still yanking on the damn trigger and jumping off it immediately, just with a pretty optic up top. The basics are the basics and that will make or break things. Too often though lazy preppers look for a solution they can BUY instead of spending the time in training and practice. A high dollar optic with a mediocre shooter is still a mediocre system. A high dollar optic with a good shooter is a good system. Can't truly cut corners on this, it's a lot of range time, a lot of training. |
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Posted: 7/23/2019 7:01:02 PM EDT
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I started to use a .303 Lee Enfield at the age of 12
The rifle was about the same height I was at the time A .223 would be a breeze in comparison - but go for a lightweight AR15A1 type with pencil barrel & stick to M193 fodder |
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Posted: 7/23/2019 7:54:08 PM EDT
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There's no reason a teenager can't handle a 5.56 AR. None at all.
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Posted: 8/6/2019 11:53:42 PM EDT
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Pretty sure the AK is the #1 rifle choice for child soldiers all over the world.
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Posted: 8/7/2019 8:10:13 AM EDT
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Pretty sure the AK is the #1 rifle choice for child soldiers all over the world. |
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Posted: 8/7/2019 8:46:43 AM EDT
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There's no reason a teenager can't handle a 5.56 AR. None at all. I completely agree with you that just about any teenager can handle a 5.56 AR. Just cheaper to teach them on 9mm or .23lr. |
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Posted: 8/7/2019 9:03:07 AM EDT
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This. AR15 in 556 and glock 19s all around. |
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Posted: 8/7/2019 9:13:51 AM EDT
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For SHTF? All the same so ammo and mags are compatible with everyone in my group. Maybe a 10.5 AR Pistol to help with keeping extra weight off the front. |
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Posted: 8/7/2019 8:58:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Maybe a 10.5 AR Pistol to help with keeping extra weight off the front. 
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Posted: 8/7/2019 10:42:03 PM EDT
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AR in 9mm? That seems to be fairly easy for smaller folks to shot. We have tried out a 9mm AR from Palmetto State Armory - about $550, IIRC. Takes glock mags, runs well and very easy to shoot. Same layout and function as a 5.56 one, maybe good to train on. Also easily suppressible.
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Posted: 8/8/2019 12:08:27 AM EDT
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AR in 9mm? That seems to be fairly easy for smaller folks to shot. We have tried out a 9mm AR from Palmetto State Armory - about $550, IIRC. Takes glock mags, runs well and very easy to shoot. Same layout and function as a 5.56 one, maybe good to train on. Also easily suppressible. |
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Posted: 8/8/2019 3:43:52 AM EDT
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If the thought is for a longer term scenario, then a 10/22 with a Magpul Hunter X-22 stock. The ergonomics are much better than the standard 10/22 and the buttstock spacers make it easy-ish to grow the gun with the kiddo. A 22LR can still be a great and relatively quiet way to get squirrels, rabbits, etc to put some meat in the stewpot. If you are thinking more along the lines of keeping two legged varmints away, then I'd throw another vote behind the AR15.
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Posted: 8/8/2019 12:52:46 PM EDT
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OTTO Jr. got a Glock System 9 m.m. braced AR pistol.
The barrel is 9 inches, and it has A2 sights. He loves it, and mags grow on trees. |
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Posted: 8/8/2019 2:51:58 PM EDT
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In my experience kids are all over the map with respect to recoil.
My oldest son couldn't wait to shoot things. He shot my .458 Lott at 13, even though it rocked him off his front foot. I've watched another kid fire one round of .223 and he was done. I think most of it is mental (if they've been around guns and are interested or eager to shoot) and some of it is form. (good form helps tame recoil). With that in mind, you probably know your kids best, and how they will respond to recoil and noise. If not, take them shooting and see. My only advice there, is don't push them into something they don't want to shoot. Nothing sadder than watching a kid have a good time shooting and then have it ruined by recoil they're not prepared for. I was teaching a friend's son how to shoot. He was nine years old, and big for his age. We started with .22's and worked up to .223. He was nothing but smiles, as was his Dad. His Grandpa was there watching, and made him try a 20 gauge slug. The kid didn't want to, but relented. It made him cry, which embarrassed him, which made it all the worse. Turned a good day bad, just like that. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 8:23:33 PM EDT
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If you're using iron sights, what about an M1 Carbine. It's easier to deal with jams , easier to see what's going on, sights are great. Like an M1, because the whole bolt slides back top an open mechanism, you can easily see what's going on, and easily get your fingers in
clear a case that's stuck or something. AR15 is a pain to get inside of, and there's not much space in there, if something is wedged you have to either take off the upper or be reaching in with your finger to get a case that didn't eject properly. Plus I've had a primer from a fired round fall inside the trigger mechanism of an AR15 and lock things up, was a real pain to find and remove it. An M1 carbine is a nice rifle for a teenager. It's not the cheapest option, the real GI ones cost more than new ones, but oh well, you asked. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 12:44:15 PM EDT
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What does your kids like to shoot?
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Posted: 9/20/2019 11:01:29 PM EDT
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g19 and basic ar15 w/ rds for my clan.
IF someone couldnt handle the concussive blast of the ar15 (recoil is not likely to be an issue IMO) then 9mm ar that takes glock makes to keep it in the compatibility system. |
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Posted: 9/21/2019 1:56:44 AM EDT
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I would take the 223/556 route preferably, 11.5" pistol braced setup with a good flash hider/can. It can reach out and touch 200m easily with very lethal effect, minimal recoil, super simple/ergonomic manual of arms, lots of parts to be had, easily obtainable mags and ammo, interchangeable components, user serviceable. PCC have a far slower velocity, would stay away from anything with complex manual of arms, as well as anything not auto-loading. Have had a helluva time with pcc ARs, bad luck I guess. Never had an issue with dozens of 5.56 carbines tho, ymmv :)
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Posted: 9/21/2019 2:05:44 AM EDT
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Even pre-teen child soldiers prefer the AR.
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