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I think the most practical "rifle" I ever owned was a marlin lever action in .44mag. Then again I dont live in an area of wide open spaces.
Now If I had to pick the most practical it would be a 12 gauge , modified choke. |
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I have a few lever actions that I enjoy as well.
Another variation is the Remington pump, such as the 760. My dad bought one (30-06) when he was in high school in the 1950s after working a good part of the summer bucking hay bales in Montana for the dough. I have shot a number of rounds through it and it impressed me with its quick action and natural pointing feel. One in .308 with some extended mags would be pure poison I would think. I have seen pics of a couple of custom Rems set up as quick handling practical rifles. They looked sweet! |
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I have always wanted a Marlin guide gun in .44 mag. I probably won't pull the trigger until I buy another 44 mag hand gun. Its always in the back of my mind as something I would enjoy.
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I have a 16" Marlin 1894 in .44 mag. While it is definately cool, I do not use it that much. Out in the rural Rocky Mountain West the ranges get on the long side and the pistol caliber carbines are usually at a disadvantage in the all around arena. Still they are cool though.
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a good all around "Non Auto" rifle would be a Lever gun in .357 mag. shoots 38s and brings deer down out to 150 yds no prob. as a man stopper within that range would be good to go. (The .357 mag 124 gr Semi Jacketed Hollowpoint) has the best "one shot stop" record on people of all handgun ammo.
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a good all around "Non Auto" rifle would be a Lever gun in .357 mag. shoots 38s and brings deer down out to 150 yds no prob. as a man stopper within that range would be good to go. (The .357 mag 124 gr Semi Jacketed Hollowpoint) has the best "one shot stop" record on people of all handgun ammo. If you're gonna carry a rifle, why not carry it in a rifle caliber? |
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I want the marlin guide gun in 45-70. practical? maybe in alaska but elsewhere not so much.
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check out the spanish FR-8 in .308 highly overlooked, mauser-type action , great sights , & cheap
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Quoted: check out the spanish FR-8 in .308 highly overlooked, mauser-type action , great sights , & cheap Not here they arnt ..... I found on years ago for under 300 , wish I would have got it. |
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When I first read your title, the rifle that I thought of was a Tikka T3 Lite Stainless in .308.
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Quoted: Quoted: check out the spanish FR-8 in .308 highly overlooked, mauser-type action , great sights , & cheap Not here they arnt ..... I found on years ago for under 300 , wish I would have got it. fixed it. lol yeah under 300$ not in the "cheap" area anymore these days... |
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If your search is for the best “all around non-automatic” rifle for “survival” purposes and you anticipate the need to use this rifle in a fight I strongly recommend the Enfield No. 4 Mk. 2 in .303 British.
http://a.imageshack.us/img530/2221/smle.jpg This rifle represents the last evolutionary step in bolt action battle rifle design. This rifle is considered the fastest bolt action ever made. It has an ammunition capacity of 10-rounds. It can be rapidly reloaded using stripper clips. The caliber is a serious full-rifle caliber with long-range performance and good barrier penetration. These rifles were produced for military use and are constructed of forged steel components and held to military level quality. A good place to start is to find one of these rifles that has been “sporterized” (butchered) and further modify it to meet your particular needs (scope, length of pull, barrel shortening, synthetic stock, etc.). Please don’t take an otherwise collectable rifle and ruin it. |
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Interesting thread and I have to be honest I have focused my self defensive rifles on semiautos to a degree that I really don't have a very good non-semiauto rifle for that role. The two that I have that are closest to that role is my Rem 760 Gamemaster which is a 1956 made 270 (first year gun) and with three magazines it would be a capable system but the barrel length is a bit long. My second system is already one of my SHTF guns in teh form of a Remington 700 in 308 that I have a Badger Ordanance detachable mag assembly on and an assortment of 5 and 10-round mags.
I have wanted to buy a lever action in 45 Colt to go with my sizable collection of 45 Colt revolvers and perhaps this is a good reason for me to consider this harder. God knows if I had to evacuate to New York or New Jersey that a great many of my guns and magazines would not be legal there! |
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Whatever you choose, it must be night-capable and come to bear fast.
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a good all around "Non Auto" rifle would be a Lever gun in .357 mag. shoots 38s and brings deer down out to 150 yds no prob. as a man stopper within that range would be good to go. (The .357 mag 124 gr Semi Jacketed Hollowpoint) has the best "one shot stop" record on people of all handgun ammo. I've been thinking about that myself. It may be the perfect survival gun paired with a .38/.357 revolver. .38 brass can be loaded almost indefinitely using even the most primitive methods and supplies. |
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When I first read your title, the rifle that I thought of was a Tikka T3 Lite Stainless in .308. In your wet and cold terrain of much of Washington west of the Cascade Range, it would make a lot of sense. Of course on the dry side, it would make sense too! Washington has some very diverse terrain for sure. |
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For us more "Urban" dwellers, there is nothing like an 870 or a Mossberg 500 right off the shelf of your local sporting goods store... most versatile defense and survival gun available, IMO.
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I have a few lever actions that I enjoy as well. Another variation is the Remington pump, such as the 760. My dad bought one (30-06) when he was in high school in the 1950s after working a good part of the summer bucking hay bales in Montana for the dough. I have shot a number of rounds through it and it impressed me with its quick action and natural pointing feel. One in .308 with some extended mags would be pure poison I would think. I have seen pics of a couple of custom Rems set up as quick handling practical rifles. They looked sweet! a number of years ago there was an article in one of the gun mags touting the remington pump in .308 as an excellent survival rifle. dead nuts simple and reliable. very little to break. quick reloads. hard hitting versatile round, etc. i have an enfield jungle carbine that would make an all around great non auto rifle. only negative is that the .303 is not available in as many varieties as the .308 - at least around here. Quoted:
Well, if you want to talk about "practical rifles," I have to confess that in the last three years I have not once run to the house to grab an AR-15. I'm not saying it won't happen, but it hasn't happened yet. OTOH, I can't count the number of times I've run to get one of these rifles, particularly the one on the bottom. They're all .22 LR: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/FredFeral/irons/IMG_0077.jpg last few times i've run to the house to grab a gun or out of the house w/ a gun, a .22 wouldn't have worked so well. a week or so back, i was watering the garden and a short (3'), but fat copper head slithered out from under some sweet potatoes. the old steven's .410, that i found hanging in our attic, made short work of him - chickens ate what was left. time before that, a coyote managed to get into our goat pen. i grabbed my sks and made a few unsuccessful attempts at ending his life. anything w/ a red dot would've been an improvement - it was 11pm and although there's a 500 watt light shining on the area, it was too high up and offset from where i was to light up the irons. |
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Funny, I never considered a SMLE to be that heavy. But then, I never carried one with half a cabin attached to it (military trim) Once you carve a significant portion of that lumber off them, they lighten right up. +1 to the difficulty keeping it stoked these days, though. The old Krag-Jorgensen was similarly a great rifle that you can't find ammo for.
Much as I like lever guns, it's hard to ignore that no military force that I can pinpoint has ever adopted a lever gun as standard issue, as compared to bolt guns, which virtually every country used prior to the semi-auto generation. |
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check out the spanish FR-8 in .308 highly overlooked, mauser-type action , great sights , & cheap Not here they arnt ..... I found on years ago for under 300 , wish I would have got it. I bought an FR7 cheap at a large outdoor sports store while I was on a trip to Maine. Based on the price I paid, my assumption is that the clark who tagged it didn't know what an FR7 was and priced it using the price range that would be more appropriate for a Guardia Civil carbine. |
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Funny, I never considered a SMLE to be that heavy. But then, I never carried one with half a cabin attached to it (military trim) Once you carve a significant portion of that lumber off them, they lighten right up. +1 to the difficulty keeping it stoked these days, though. The old Krag-Jorgensen was similarly a great rifle that you can't find ammo for. Much as I like lever guns, it's hard to ignore that no military force that I can pinpoint has ever adopted a lever gun as standard issue, as compared to bolt guns, which virtually every country used prior to the semi-auto generation. Lee Enfields balance very well, even in full military wood.That helps them feel lighter than they are- of course, I'm the moron that does run and gun and hunting with a full 20" HBAR AR , so....I may be masichistic (or just young and fit enough to not notice). That said, Jungle Carbines would make a really nice rifle to pack around. If I was going to travel somewhere where a semi-auto would be impractical, or where I could piggy-back some other adventure with medium or lagrer game hunting, I would probably bring my original Jungle Carbine with me- I paid $225 for that after I took advantage of a Promo courtesy of Chase credit cards. For those not inclined to take a real jungle carbine afield, there are plenty of Gibbs, Navy Arms, and Golden State clones and pseudo clones out there. SOmetimes you can also find Bubba sporters for $150 and less still. |
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Last smelly I bought was a carbine, and cost me $30. Used to call it my canyon gun, 'cause I could loan it out and if the idiot dropped it into a canyon I wouldn't feel obligated to push him in after it.
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I get the impression that most shooters that are not regular hunters do not realize how quick a good bolt action is compared to a lever gun. Of course a well practiiced rifleman with a lever gun is fun to watch! I spend a significant time afield after the big game season with a Marlin Mountie lever action .22, hunting jackrabbits and can attest to how quick a person can get.
Still I think the pumps are seriously overlooked. |
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That is a very fine accumulation!
Do you prefer the straight stock over pistol grip, or vice versa? If you were to pick one lever gun as an "all around" what would it be? |
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Quoted: That is a very fine accumulation! Do you prefer the straight stock over pistol grip, or vice versa? If you were to pick one lever gun as an "all around" what would it be? Personally, I like the straight stock. But that is just me. For an all around lever gun, I would go with .30-30. Will take down most 4 legged critters in the US as well as 2 legged critters. Plus, there is certainly a lot of ammo around for it. |
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I would go with my Marlin 336 in 30-30. I put a 3x9 scope on it and it's more than accurate for any mid sized game animal out to 100 yards. 30-30 ammo is decently priced and easy to find too.
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I keep a Marlin 336 in 30-30, win 94E in 44 mag, Marlin 1895G in 45/70 and some ammo for each. They are not the primary shtf weapons. But they will do a good job if needed. Use them for hunting if needed. and use the SHTF weapons for SHTF.
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a good all around "Non Auto" rifle would be a Lever gun in .357 mag. shoots 38s and brings deer down out to 150 yds no prob. as a man stopper within that range would be good to go. (The .357 mag 124 gr Semi Jacketed Hollowpoint) has the best "one shot stop" record on people of all handgun ammo. I've been thinking about that myself. It may be the perfect survival gun paired with a .38/.357 revolver. .38 brass can be loaded almost indefinitely using even the most primitive methods and supplies. How about the 45 colt? More bang for your buck been around longer and people have been casting and reloading it for over 100 years. |
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a good all around "Non Auto" rifle would be a Lever gun in .357 mag. shoots 38s and brings deer down out to 150 yds no prob. as a man stopper within that range would be good to go. (The .357 mag 124 gr Semi Jacketed Hollowpoint) has the best "one shot stop" record on people of all handgun ammo. I've been thinking about that myself. It may be the perfect survival gun paired with a .38/.357 revolver. .38 brass can be loaded almost indefinitely using even the most primitive methods and supplies. How about the 45 colt? More bang for your buck been around longer and people have been casting and reloading it for over 100 years. For all round survival, it wouldn't be bad. If you only had access to a single caliber. We were discussing this over in the survival wheelgun thread. Personally, I have brass, bullet molds, dies, and powder for reloading .45lc, and a .45 lever gun is on my "to get" list, but not so much for SHTF use. Too many other calibers that do the same thing better in a long gun. I'm with the others who think that, if you scrub autos from the list, a lever action .30-30 carbine is hard to beat for speed, weight, handiness, and reasonable punch. I prefer the pistol grips myself, my wrist doesn't like the straight stocks much. |
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I've been thinking/ wanting to get a lever 30/30. You could cast lead bullets for cheap shooting/ practice. With an eotec or other red dot sight it would be a nice short to medium range rifle.
Remington used to load their "Accelerator" ammo in 30/30. You can buy the plastic sabots for reloading and make your own. To add to versatility. I really want one now |
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Hard to argue with any quality bolt action rifle in .308 or 30-06 esp if you have an autoloader in the same caliber.
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I recently purchased a Rem 700 youth, in 243 that is equipped with iron sights, and wanted to a build a 'general purpose/hunting/scout/etc..." type rifle, so I added a BDL front sight hood, and equipped the rifle with a Leupy 1.5-5x VX3 in QD Warne rings. It is a very light weight, handy rifle that can be shot accurately both scoped and with iron sights.
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That is a very fine accumulation! Do you prefer the straight stock over pistol grip, or vice versa. If you were to pick one lever gun as an "all around" what would it be? I like a straight stock, hands down. Sadly, my favorite lever gun is the 336Y one on the right, with the pistol grip stock. Some find day, I'll send it off to Regan Nonneman, and have that fixed. |
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I guess for me, what I'd recommend all boils down to these factors:
1.) Do you handload ammo? 2.) Do you need long-range accuracy beyond 400yds? 3.) Do you seek long-term use without need for replacement parts? The major limiting factor is your desired accuracy and effective range. That limits the rifles & caliber options. I'd stick with 357mag, 30-30, 308, 7.5mm Swiss, or 45-70. The 357 and 30-30 for short-range within 200yds... Probably in levergun format. For medium range to 400yds I'd take a 30-30 Bolt-action Savage, 308 Scout-style bolt gun, a 7.5 Swiss with irons, or a 45-70 levergun. For longer 400-800yd range I'd get a 7.5 Swiss scoped, or 308 bolt Savage 10FCP, Remmy700 in 308, or a 45-70 Single shot. Those who handload and make their own bullets & ammunition have a MUCH wider variety of options as they can taylor their ammo for specific purposes! This means the 243, 30-30, 308, and 45-70 become SERIOUS performing guns with incredible versatility! For long case life & ease of reloadability, the 357 & 45-70 have them all beat hands down. I'd have no qualms trusting my life to a good & accurate bolt action rifle! Especially if I carry a spare firing pin just incase... For high accuracy I prefer Savage tactical rifles. For lightweight & easy-handling rifles I prefer Savage 30-30 bolt rifle or a lever gun. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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a good all around "Non Auto" rifle would be a Lever gun in .357 mag. shoots 38s and brings deer down out to 150 yds no prob. as a man stopper within that range would be good to go. (The .357 mag 124 gr Semi Jacketed Hollowpoint) has the best "one shot stop" record on people of all handgun ammo. I've been thinking about that myself. It may be the perfect survival gun paired with a .38/.357 revolver. .38 brass can be loaded almost indefinitely using even the most primitive methods and supplies. How about the 45 colt? More bang for your buck been around longer and people have been casting and reloading it for over 100 years. For all round survival, it wouldn't be bad. If you only had access to a single caliber. We were discussing this over in the survival wheelgun thread. Personally, I have brass, bullet molds, dies, and powder for reloading .45lc, and a .45 lever gun is on my "to get" list, but not so much for SHTF use. Too many other calibers that do the same thing better in a long gun. I'm with the others who think that, if you scrub autos from the list, a lever action .30-30 carbine is hard to beat for speed, weight, handiness, and reasonable punch. I prefer the pistol grips myself, my wrist doesn't like the straight stocks much. Agree there are a lot better rifle rounds out there but if you want something that you can use in your rifle and pistol really not to much out there can beat it. If I did non auto I would have to stick with a bolt gun. |
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a good all around "Non Auto" rifle would be a Lever gun in .357 mag. shoots 38s and brings deer down out to 150 yds no prob. as a man stopper within that range would be good to go. (The .357 mag 124 gr Semi Jacketed Hollowpoint) has the best "one shot stop" record on people of all handgun ammo. I've been thinking about that myself. It may be the perfect survival gun paired with a .38/.357 revolver. .38 brass can be loaded almost indefinitely using even the most primitive methods and supplies. How about the 45 colt? More bang for your buck been around longer and people have been casting and reloading it for over 100 years. For all round survival, it wouldn't be bad. If you only had access to a single caliber. We were discussing this over in the survival wheelgun thread. Personally, I have brass, bullet molds, dies, and powder for reloading .45lc, and a .45 lever gun is on my "to get" list, but not so much for SHTF use. Too many other calibers that do the same thing better in a long gun. I'm with the others who think that, if you scrub autos from the list, a lever action .30-30 carbine is hard to beat for speed, weight, handiness, and reasonable punch. I prefer the pistol grips myself, my wrist doesn't like the straight stocks much. Agree there are a lot better rifle rounds out there but if you want something that you can use in your rifle and pistol really not to much out there can beat it. If I did non auto I would have to stick with a bolt gun. The trouble is that you'd have to run compromise loads in both or you'd end up with a fireball spitting revolver that doesn't perform to its best standard or a underpowered rifle that doesn't perform to its best standard. Instead of having a rifle and pistol that each eats the most powerful, most accurate load you can feed it, you'll have two arms that get by with lesser fodder. |
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If I was choosing just one of MY leverguns, it would probably be my Marlin in .38-55 as it is scary accurate out a few hundred yards with cast boolits.. Although more complicated, my Savage 99f in .308 certainly has enough punch, accuracy & range for most things and carries & balances nicely too. If things had really gone to hell & I was down to BP & cast bullets, I have an orginal Sharps rifle in .45-90 that I would be confident in hitting a man sized target at 1000 yds. with it's Soule sights. & a 560 gr. bullet. |
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I recently purchased a Rem 700 youth, in 243 that is equipped with iron sights, and wanted to a build a 'general purpose/hunting/scout/etc..." type rifle, so I added a BDL front sight hood, and equipped the rifle with a Leupy 1.5-5x VX3 in QD Warne rings. It is a very light weight, handy rifle that can be shot accurately both scoped and with iron sights. That sounds pretty practical to me. Got any pics? Why .243? BTW, I have a VX3 1.5x5 Leupold on a Colt AR15A3 and it is an excellent scope. |
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I recently purchased a Rem 700 youth, in 243 that is equipped with iron sights, and wanted to a build a 'general purpose/hunting/scout/etc..." type rifle, so I added a BDL front sight hood, and equipped the rifle with a Leupy 1.5-5x VX3 in QD Warne rings. It is a very light weight, handy rifle that can be shot accurately both scoped and with iron sights. That sounds pretty practical to me. Got any pics? Why .243? BTW, I have a VX3 1.5x5 Leupold on a Colt AR15A3 and it is an excellent scope. I have always liked the 243 for its light recoil, flat trajectory, and relative power. This is also my wife's deer rig, so the caliber choice applies there too. I don't have any pics, but will try to remember to get some. The gun is not done in my mind, as I would like to NP3 the internals, get a different stock, an Roguard the externals. I need to develop some handloads for it. |
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