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Posted: 11/24/2014 2:22:09 AM EDT
Hey guys,

I am starting to look at getting into a little longer/precision shooting. Do you think this is a good rifle to start out with? And if so what upgrades should I start with? I plan on target shooting and possibly some hunting with it in the future. I am setup to reload .308 if that makes a difference with your reply.


Thanks in advance,

Stephen S.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 3:04:27 AM EDT
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What's your budget, and what's your left over budget if you get that particular rifle?
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 3:27:10 AM EDT
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it's kind of a toss up on whether you get a good one or not these days with Remington QC.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 8:43:11 AM EDT
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it's kind of a toss up on whether you get a good one or not these days with Remington QC.
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I see this comment all the time but have not seen any complaints here or from guys at the range. Not that it isn't so but might be a bit hyped.

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Link Posted: 11/24/2014 9:14:35 AM EDT
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I like mine...  You will have to replace the stock.  It sucks.  Really, it sucks...  The trigger is decent.  I am getting .75 to 1" groups with factory ammo.  Once I glass bed the stock and work up some hand loads I am confident it will be a great shooter.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 9:30:27 AM EDT
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I see this comment all the time but have not seen any complaints here or from guys at the range. Not that it isn't so but might be a bit hyped.

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Originally Posted By popnfresh:
Originally Posted By sagillman:
it's kind of a toss up on whether you get a good one or not these days with Remington QC.


I see this comment all the time but have not seen any complaints here or from guys at the range. Not that it isn't so but might be a bit hyped.

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The sps varmint (26'' barrel) I bought for my dad for fathers day had the scope base holes way off from front to back. I brought it back to the shop and the owner verified my  problems with a couple different bases he had laying around. so I exchanged it for an older JM Marlin he had on the racks, my old man was happy but I was kind of pissed as I planned on shooting it more then he did . I could have just sent it to Chad Dixion to fix but I didn't want to be out another $200.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 10:30:23 AM EDT
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Great rifle. Get a new stock for it asap, then shoot the heck out of it.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 11:10:48 AM EDT
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Seems the answer is go with a Savage more and more.






http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411540369/Savage+PRE+CAR+308+5R+20+THRED






Link Posted: 11/24/2014 11:17:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MateFrio:
Seems the answer is go with a Savage more and more.


http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411540369/Savage+PRE+CAR+308+5R+20+THRED


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And I do agree with that too. Savage Hog Hunter is the same rifle, with better barrel and trigger, for $200 less.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 11:45:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By popnfresh:
I see this comment all the time but have not seen any complaints here or from guys at the range. Not that it isn't so but might be a bit hyped.
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it's kind of a toss up on whether you get a good one or not these days with Remington QC.

I see this comment all the time but have not seen any complaints here or from guys at the range. Not that it isn't so but might be a bit hyped.
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I worked behind a gun counter for a little overy a year. Sold a lot of 700s. Sad to say that I've sold more 770s than 700s...no.matter how hard I tried to get the customer to spend a little bit more for a better gun.
















That said, I have sent 3 Rem 700s back to Remington.
















1: bolt lug rails were warped or bolt was not in spec. Bolt wouldn't close.





2: Scope mounting holes were off-center





3: Customer brought his 2 month old 700 in after shooting it and complained of rust. Gun had surface rust, which he did not oil it after touching it with his caustic hands and putting it in a case during the summer. I oiled it up and it looked just as new. Customer told me I didn't know what I was talking about and demanded I send it back. Sent it back to Remington and Remington sent it back to us 4 months later with a note that said ""



























So basically I've only experienced 2 bad 700s while behind a gun counter.
















While remington products seem lower quality than in the passed, they still make a good product. Most of their lower quality crap is in the wood stocks of their shotguns and their Marlin rifles. The laminated stocks, which used to be solid Black Walnut, feel kind of like plastic










On a side note: I took my uncles new Rem 700s in .243 (RR series) out the other day to sight them in at 100 yards.










One is the nicer BDL with a solid walnut stock and gloss blue finish, the other one is the one that was on clearance for $279 at Walmart - just a plain ADL with camo plastic stock.



Both rifles had a Nikon prostaff 3-9x50 scope.



I was getting 0.75 MOA with Remington Premier Accutip ammo in 95 grain




 
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 12:09:23 PM EDT
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Remington fit/finish might not be what it once was, but they're still generally good guns and if you're interested in anything more than basic long range shooting it'll be a much better platform to grow with than some Savage you saved a few dollars on.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 12:53:58 PM EDT
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Mine shoots ~3/8" with hand loads, a new stock, and trigger.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 3:34:31 PM EDT
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I bought a AAC-SD for the same purpose, hunting and some target shooting.  Replaced the Trigger with a Timney Calvin Elite and set it to break at 1.5lbs.  Shimmed the front of the action and the barrel to stock clearance is much improved.  Installed/timed a SilencerCo Trifecta Muzzle Brake (awaiting a Saker 7.62).  Also installed a Triad Tactical Modular Stock pack to raise the comb height.  Cleaned and lubed.  Will be heading to the range with 168gr SMK Test Loads on Friday and will report back.  

Currently the glass setup is a Bushnell XRS 4.5-30x50 H59 Reticle mounted to a ADM Recon SL and EGW 20moa Scope Base.  The ADM Recon SL will be replaced with a set of American Rifle Company M10 Low Rings once they arrive.

The biggest complaint with the AAC-SD is the stock.  It flexes too much and out of the box, the barrel was touching some of the ribs inside the barrel channel and most of the sides of the stock.  Shimmed the front of the action with 5 shims made from a soda can and now the barrel is completely floating with about 5-10mm of spacing all the way around.  Will be looking at either a B&C Medalist M40 stock or a KRG Whiskey XRay down the road.

Specs and Photo this weekend.

Bo
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 5:02:31 PM EDT
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Mine will shoot 3/4" five shot groups at 100 yards with 175SMK handloads and 2.5" five shot groups at 300 yards with the same ammo.  I've got an older Leupold 4.5-14 scope on it with an AAC 51 tooth brake, all groups shot with an AAC 762SD can on it, no other improvements at this time.  The stock is garbage and I'm not happy with the trigger as pull weight seems to vary a lot.  Planned upgrades are a Timney trigger and an XLR Element chassis, then I won't spend any more money on it.  All in all I'm happy with the rifle, I knew the stock was going to be replaced going in and I figured I'd upgrade the trigger either way.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 6:27:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By knightkrawler00:
The stock is garbage and I'm not happy with the trigger as pull weight seems to vary a lot.  Planned upgrades are a Timney trigger .
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I highly recommend the Timney Calvin Elite Trigger.  I was running a #517 in a previous rifle but never liked it because the sear engagement wasn't consistent.  Sometimes it broke early and sometime it took more effort.  The Calvin Elite on the other hand has been totally consistent.  
Link Posted: 11/25/2014 10:06:39 AM EDT
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I see this comment all the time but have not seen any complaints here or from guys at the range. Not that it isn't so but might be a bit hyped.

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Originally Posted By popnfresh:
Originally Posted By sagillman:
it's kind of a toss up on whether you get a good one or not these days with Remington QC.


I see this comment all the time but have not seen any complaints here or from guys at the range. Not that it isn't so but might be a bit hyped.

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I will start by saying that these rifles will shoot without this work, in my experience they shoot even better after the work.  I would avoid the AAC-SD all together and just pickup the Varmint model and have it cut, crowned and threaded where you prefer.

AAC-SD does not come with a target crown.  Just a straight clean 90 degree cut.


The spot between the shoulder and threads was just a little too thick for my suppressor as well as threads not being concentric to the bore. (Gunsmiths comment)



And here are pictures after the work was done.



This shows the lack of commitment to produce a quality rifle that cost the consumer more than the standard Varmint model. Just with a quality step left out to save Remington money.  I have not seen one AAC-SD with a target crown, something they put on their cheaper SPS Varmint line of rifles...
Link Posted: 11/25/2014 4:38:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BLDTYLRY:


I highly recommend the Timney Calvin Elite Trigger.  I was running a #517 in a previous rifle but never liked it because the sear engagement wasn't consistent.  Sometimes it broke early and sometime it took more effort.  The Calvin Elite on the other hand has been totally consistent.  
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Originally Posted By BLDTYLRY:
Originally Posted By knightkrawler00:
The stock is garbage and I'm not happy with the trigger as pull weight seems to vary a lot.  Planned upgrades are a Timney trigger .


I highly recommend the Timney Calvin Elite Trigger.  I was running a #517 in a previous rifle but never liked it because the sear engagement wasn't consistent.  Sometimes it broke early and sometime it took more effort.  The Calvin Elite on the other hand has been totally consistent.  



Thanks. I'll look into those.
Link Posted: 11/25/2014 10:05:34 PM EDT
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I see this comment all the time but have not seen any complaints here or from guys at the range. Not that it isn't so but might be a bit hyped.

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Originally Posted By popnfresh:
Originally Posted By sagillman:
it's kind of a toss up on whether you get a good one or not these days with Remington QC.


I see this comment all the time but have not seen any complaints here or from guys at the range. Not that it isn't so but might be a bit hyped.

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Guess you've heard some complaints now :) my secondary research says they're for sure hit and miss.

I've had 4 rem700 I can remember but none were aacsd. The first was vss and was a consistent 1 hole group. The last 3 (etronx which I think we're made in the custom shop, and sps) were not even 1 moa.   So one for four ain't good odds in my book.


my recommendation is to buy an older used one
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 12:11:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JCountz: as well as threads not being concentric to the bore. (Gunsmiths comment)
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I have been looking into the AAC-SD also and this is my main concern.
I will be attaching a AAC 51T and an SDN-6 and I don't want a baffle strike.
I have also been looking hard at the 700 5R with the 20" threaded barrel, but still a little concerned if it has concentric threads.
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 10:18:28 PM EDT
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I have been looking into the AAC-SD also and this is my main concern.
I will be attaching a AAC 51T and an SDN-6 and I don't want a baffle strike.
I have also been looking hard at the 700 5R with the 20" threaded barrel, but still a little concerned if it has concentric threads.
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Originally Posted By JCountz: as well as threads not being concentric to the bore. (Gunsmiths comment)


I have been looking into the AAC-SD also and this is my main concern.
I will be attaching a AAC 51T and an SDN-6 and I don't want a baffle strike.
I have also been looking hard at the 700 5R with the 20" threaded barrel, but still a little concerned if it has concentric threads.


If you are concerned with concentric threads I would opt out of a factory threaded barrel.  I would pick up one of their offerings without threads and have a good smith or machinist perform the work.  I will never buy a factory threaded Remington rifle again.  Not sure that matters much to most people.  From having 1 baffle strike on my first day of owning a suppressor; and not noticing the can was not against the shoulder due to the thickness of the metal behind the threads, I can say I have learned from my mistakes.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 1:35:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JKrammes:


I like mine...  You will have to replace the stock.  It sucks.  Really, it sucks...  The trigger is decent.  I am getting .75 to 1" groups with factory ammo.  Once I glass bed the stock and work up some hand loads I am confident it will be a great shooter.
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I would have to agree with this... My FIL got one and the stock was terrible.. is flexed a lot.....  I have the Savage Precision Carbine and I love it the ACCUSTOCK is pretty awesome.. I am glad I went that direction as I was considering the AAC remmy.....  

 
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:07:08 PM EDT
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I got a killer deal on a 700 AAC with a Bushnell Mil Dot 4.5-30 MOA scope. The scope is useless for my needs, but I think the rings are GTG.

I just invested in an SWFA 3-15x42 FFP scope and an AAC brake. I plan to stiffen up the forend with some old arrow shafts and fiberglass.

It will be interesting to see how it shoots
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