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Posted: 1/27/2016 7:43:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Phil2033]
Like the title says primary arms 4-14 x44 or viper pa 6-20 x44. I want the more magnification but like the idea of FFP. And the viper is their BDC reticle unfortunately. I am pretty new to "precision" shooting but I am trying to get going in long range shooting. This scope will be for my rem 700 308 and will later probably end up on my 223 when I can afford a Nightforce
Thanks.
Link Posted: 1/27/2016 7:58:26 PM EDT
[#1]
I would say save up another 300 bucks and get a PST with an EBR2 reticle.  I love my EBR 1 that I got of the EE for 675( I think). so save a bit more and get something your totally ok with.

"10 Jennings  will never be as cool as 1 python"
Link Posted: 1/27/2016 8:15:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fsjdw2:
I would say save up another 300 bucks and get a PST with an EBR2 reticle.  I love my EBR 1 that I got of the EE for 675( I think). so save a bit more and get something your totally ok with.

"10 Jennings  will never be as cool as 1 python"
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^^^^This.   I would definitely recommend saving up for the Viper PST FFP.  A Whole lot of bang for the buck there. You'll have no regrets.
Link Posted: 1/27/2016 8:28:22 PM EDT
[#3]
Yeah I'm hoping to buy a house this year so a $800 scope unfortunately is out for now. Or I'd be going nightforce. Especially with all the mixed PST reviews.
But the cheaper bushnell elites are looking tempting too.
Link Posted: 1/27/2016 8:43:17 PM EDT
[#4]
I couldn't be happier with my Primary Arms 4-14x44 FFP ACSS / HUD BDC reticle scope. Hard to beat for the price.
Link Posted: 1/27/2016 10:33:16 PM EDT
[#5]
I have the Viper 6.5-20 PA and a SWFA fixed 16x and much prefer the SWFA. And you can get one in good shape for less.
Link Posted: 1/28/2016 9:57:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dedezelic:
I have the Viper 6.5-20 PA and a SWFA fixed 16x and much prefer the SWFA. And you can get one in good shape for less.
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Thanks. Guess I better look into those too. I never really considered a fixed power before but it does make sense that the glass would be a lot better.
I may have to add it to the poll
Actually I guess I can't do that lol
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 4:46:00 PM EDT
[#7]
I used to have the Viper 6.5-20, and I currently have the PA ACSS 4-14x44.

I prefer the reticle and turrets on the PA, but glass-wise I couldn't tell the difference.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 7:41:05 AM EDT
[#8]
Thanks for the feedback guys. After a lot of reading I think I'm actually going to go with the swfa 10x42 though. It's glass and reticle seems to be ahead of the primary arms and the turrets better than the viper pa.
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 12:19:04 AM EDT
[#9]
Someone talk me into the Primary Arms 4-14x. The rifle it will be going on is an AR15 with 20" HBAR. I think it has all the specs of a budget 200-500 yard scope that I'm looking for. The scope it's replacing is an SWFA SS 10x that's going on my .260 Rem build.



Any cons that I should worry about with this scope?
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 6:49:41 AM EDT
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The only thing I've read is the reticle gets very big at higher magnification for long shots.
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 8:24:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ryan81:
Someone talk me into the Primary Arms 4-14x. The rifle it will be going on is an AR15 with 20" HBAR. I think it has all the specs of a budget 200-500 yard scope that I'm looking for. The scope it's replacing is an SWFA SS 10x that's going on my .260 Rem build.

Any cons that I should worry about with this scope?
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I have only shot mine a couple of times and I am pleased with it.  Glass quality seems fantastic for what you pay.  FFP works great.  What sold me on it is the reticle itself - Primary Arms knew what the heck they were doing, the reticle is very intuitive and simple to learn.
I can't help you with the cons on this one - I was looking for a budget scope and it fit the bill perfectly.
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 10:55:15 AM EDT
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Not sure what distances OP is going to be shooting at, but I'd recommend the 12x over the 10x SWFA.  I've owned a dozen of the various straight powered SWFA's over the years and will say the 12x is perfect.  I find that 16x is too much and it's not as clear.  I find the 10x to be lacking in magnification and concluded that 12x is the perfect balance between the 10x and 16x.

I never get these PA optics questions.  No offense to Marsh, but a PA would rank with BSA when it comes to long range optics.

I've owned the Vortex Viper 6.5-20...it's not a bad optic at roughly $330.

You may want to take a look at the Weaver "tactical" 3-10...has MILs turrets, but is SFP if that matters to you.  Midway has them for $300 shipped.
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 2:40:06 PM EDT
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Thank you for the feedback. I might have to go with the 12x then. I'll be shooting at 100 yards+  the range I'm going to join has targets out to 1250 but I know it'll be a while before I can throw lead that far. I've been watching the "long range 101" video series on YouTube and he really is an advocate of the SWFA SS series. I like the price point of them too for being a much better scope than the price because I'd like to put one on the wife's .223 to make the terminology and all easier between the two rifles
Link Posted: 2/11/2016 1:52:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ryan81:
Someone talk me into the Primary Arms 4-14x. The rifle it will be going on is an AR15 with 20" HBAR. I think it has all the specs of a budget 200-500 yard scope that I'm looking for. The scope it's replacing is an SWFA SS 10x that's going on my .260 Rem build.

Any cons that I should worry about with this scope?
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I like them, pretty much the best bang for the buck FFP scope going right now. My only complaint is that they could offer a 5-20 or 6-24 power model, and I'd be all over them.  



The one on the AR is actually a BSA branded almost identical version to the PA, but has a Mil-hash reticle that has a bit finer crosshairs.  unfortunately the splines on the turrets is too coarse to be able to adjust in .1 mil increments for the zero reset.  luckily mine is on the money but it could be off by as much as .2 mil one way or the other.  The one on the Savage is from PA with the Mil-dot reticle.  A couple things that I have on the BSA that i'd like to have on the PA, The BSA windage knob counts up from zero in both directions, has a nice big focus knob and has nice knurling on all of the knobs which makes gripping them when it gets cold and things don't want to move much easier.  I also really wish PA offered theirs with the Mil-hash reticle.
Link Posted: 2/13/2016 4:28:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: memsu] [#15]
Now Primary Arms has the R-Grid reticle. I'm probably going to put it on my 7mm08 AR10 and move my Vortex Viper HS-T 4-16 44 to my 7mmMag bolt gun build. Not bad for a $280 scope. I've been pleased with the quality of their 1-6x ACSS scopes.





http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-4-14x44-ffp-scope-with-patent-pending-r-grid-reticle-eta-nov-2015/p/kt-pa4-14xffp-r-grid/
Link Posted: 2/14/2016 11:17:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By memsu:
Now Primary Arms has the R-Grid reticle. I'm probably going to put it on my 7mm08 AR10 and move my Vortex Viper HS-T 4-16 44 to my 7mmMag bolt gun build. Not bad for a $280 scope. I've been pleased with the quality of their 1-6x ACSS scopes.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/05/16b3c8f6a1f5cbb89d0c6298c4448944.jpg

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/12558305_956082367760994_1756193580_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE4MTI0MDkyNTgwOTU3NDI3Nw%3D%3D.2

http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-4-14x44-ffp-scope-with-patent-pending-r-grid-reticle-eta-nov-2015/p/kt-pa4-14xffp-r-grid/
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I bought one, haven't used it but have been impressed with the overall quality. The reticle is very nice.

This about 150 yards 12 or 14x. The pictures don't show how clear the glass truly is.


Link Posted: 2/14/2016 12:22:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By memsu:
Now Primary Arms has the R-Grid reticle. I'm probably going to put it on my 7mm08 AR10 and move my Vortex Viper HS-T 4-16 44 to my 7mmMag bolt gun build. Not bad for a $280 scope. I've been pleased with the quality of their 1-6x ACSS scopes.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/05/16b3c8f6a1f5cbb89d0c6298c4448944.jpg

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/12558305_956082367760994_1756193580_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE4MTI0MDkyNTgwOTU3NDI3Nw%3D%3D.2

http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-4-14x44-ffp-scope-with-patent-pending-r-grid-reticle-eta-nov-2015/p/kt-pa4-14xffp-r-grid/
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How does the PA compare to the vortex HST?
And is that a picture of the R-Grid reticle? I hate how PA doesn't show the reticle on the page of the scope
Link Posted: 2/16/2016 2:02:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Phil2033:



How does the PA compare to the vortex HST?
And is that a picture of the R-Grid reticle? I hate how PA doesn't show the reticle on the page of the scope
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Originally Posted By Phil2033:
Originally Posted By memsu:
Now Primary Arms has the R-Grid reticle. I'm probably going to put it on my 7mm08 AR10 and move my Vortex Viper HS-T 4-16 44 to my 7mmMag bolt gun build. Not bad for a $280 scope. I've been pleased with the quality of their 1-6x ACSS scopes.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/05/16b3c8f6a1f5cbb89d0c6298c4448944.jpg

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/12558305_956082367760994_1756193580_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE4MTI0MDkyNTgwOTU3NDI3Nw%3D%3D.2

http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-4-14x44-ffp-scope-with-patent-pending-r-grid-reticle-eta-nov-2015/p/kt-pa4-14xffp-r-grid/



How does the PA compare to the vortex HST?
And is that a picture of the R-Grid reticle? I hate how PA doesn't show the reticle on the page of the scope


I think the Vortex HS-T is higher quality scope for sure. I have one on my 7mm08 AR10 right now, but it was $200 more than the Primary Arms scope. I like my Primary Arms 1-6x scopes and they're even blems that PA sells on Ebay ($200). Glass is pretty dang clear for a $200 scope.

I've been looking at another line of scopes by Athalon Optics. They're new, but it looks like they are trying to be the budget Vortex. The scope I'm looking at looks to be the same housing as the PA scope, but with a better reticle design. They're supposed to have a lifetime warranty as well.

They are even getting positive reviews on Sniper's Hide http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5511-rifle-scopes/14402673-athlon-scopes

https://sportsgearoptics.com/home/63-athlon-talos-btr-4-14x44-riflescope.html

Here's the reticle of the Athlon Talos BTR 4-14x44 FFP scope $299.

Link Posted: 2/17/2016 12:56:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By memsu:


I think the Vortex HS-T is higher quality scope for sure. I have one on my 7mm08 AR10 right now, but it was $200 more than the Primary Arms scope. I like my Primary Arms 1-6x scopes and they're even blems that PA sells on Ebay ($200). Glass is pretty dang clear for a $200 scope.

I've been looking at another line of scopes by Athalon Optics. They're new, but it looks like they are trying to be the budget Vortex. The scope I'm looking at looks to be the same housing as the PA scope, but with a better reticle design. They're supposed to have a lifetime warranty as well.

They are even getting positive reviews on Sniper's Hide http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5511-rifle-scopes/14402673-athlon-scopes

https://sportsgearoptics.com/home/63-athlon-talos-btr-4-14x44-riflescope.html

Here's the reticle of the Athlon Talos BTR 4-14x44 FFP scope $299.
https://sportsgearoptics.com/276-thickbox_default/athlon-talos-btr-4-14x44-riflescope.jpg
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Originally Posted By memsu:
Originally Posted By Phil2033:
Originally Posted By memsu:
Now Primary Arms has the R-Grid reticle. I'm probably going to put it on my 7mm08 AR10 and move my Vortex Viper HS-T 4-16 44 to my 7mmMag bolt gun build. Not bad for a $280 scope. I've been pleased with the quality of their 1-6x ACSS scopes.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/05/16b3c8f6a1f5cbb89d0c6298c4448944.jpg

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/12558305_956082367760994_1756193580_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE4MTI0MDkyNTgwOTU3NDI3Nw%3D%3D.2

http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-4-14x44-ffp-scope-with-patent-pending-r-grid-reticle-eta-nov-2015/p/kt-pa4-14xffp-r-grid/



How does the PA compare to the vortex HST?
And is that a picture of the R-Grid reticle? I hate how PA doesn't show the reticle on the page of the scope


I think the Vortex HS-T is higher quality scope for sure. I have one on my 7mm08 AR10 right now, but it was $200 more than the Primary Arms scope. I like my Primary Arms 1-6x scopes and they're even blems that PA sells on Ebay ($200). Glass is pretty dang clear for a $200 scope.

I've been looking at another line of scopes by Athalon Optics. They're new, but it looks like they are trying to be the budget Vortex. The scope I'm looking at looks to be the same housing as the PA scope, but with a better reticle design. They're supposed to have a lifetime warranty as well.

They are even getting positive reviews on Sniper's Hide http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5511-rifle-scopes/14402673-athlon-scopes

https://sportsgearoptics.com/home/63-athlon-talos-btr-4-14x44-riflescope.html

Here's the reticle of the Athlon Talos BTR 4-14x44 FFP scope $299.
https://sportsgearoptics.com/276-thickbox_default/athlon-talos-btr-4-14x44-riflescope.jpg


Looks interesting, might be worth a try if I decide to bump up from 14x max power.
Link Posted: 2/17/2016 11:16:27 AM EDT
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Looks interesting, might be worth a try if I decide to bump up from 14x max power.
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Originally Posted By Strizzo:
Originally Posted By memsu:
Originally Posted By Phil2033:
Originally Posted By memsu:
Now Primary Arms has the R-Grid reticle. I'm probably going to put it on my 7mm08 AR10 and move my Vortex Viper HS-T 4-16 44 to my 7mmMag bolt gun build. Not bad for a $280 scope. I've been pleased with the quality of their 1-6x ACSS scopes.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/05/16b3c8f6a1f5cbb89d0c6298c4448944.jpg

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/12558305_956082367760994_1756193580_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE4MTI0MDkyNTgwOTU3NDI3Nw%3D%3D.2

http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-4-14x44-ffp-scope-with-patent-pending-r-grid-reticle-eta-nov-2015/p/kt-pa4-14xffp-r-grid/



How does the PA compare to the vortex HST?
And is that a picture of the R-Grid reticle? I hate how PA doesn't show the reticle on the page of the scope


I think the Vortex HS-T is higher quality scope for sure. I have one on my 7mm08 AR10 right now, but it was $200 more than the Primary Arms scope. I like my Primary Arms 1-6x scopes and they're even blems that PA sells on Ebay ($200). Glass is pretty dang clear for a $200 scope.

I've been looking at another line of scopes by Athalon Optics. They're new, but it looks like they are trying to be the budget Vortex. The scope I'm looking at looks to be the same housing as the PA scope, but with a better reticle design. They're supposed to have a lifetime warranty as well.

They are even getting positive reviews on Sniper's Hide http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5511-rifle-scopes/14402673-athlon-scopes

https://sportsgearoptics.com/home/63-athlon-talos-btr-4-14x44-riflescope.html

Here's the reticle of the Athlon Talos BTR 4-14x44 FFP scope $299.
https://sportsgearoptics.com/276-thickbox_default/athlon-talos-btr-4-14x44-riflescope.jpg


Looks interesting, might be worth a try if I decide to bump up from 14x max power.


They have a 6-24X as well.

https://sportsgearoptics.com/home/61-athlon-argos-btr-6-24x50-riflescope.html
Link Posted: 2/18/2016 3:53:12 AM EDT
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Yeah the 6-24 would probably be the one I'd go for. 8-32x would be too much minimum magnification and would make it hard to use for much other than bench shooting.
Link Posted: 2/18/2016 5:48:11 AM EDT
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^^^^This.   I would definitely recommend saving up for the Viper PST FFP.  A Whole lot of bang for the buck there. You'll have no regrets.
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Originally Posted By fsjdw2:
I would say save up another 300 bucks and get a PST with an EBR2 reticle.  I love my EBR 1 that I got of the EE for 675( I think). so save a bit more and get something your totally ok with.

"10 Jennings  will never be as cool as 1 python"


^^^^This.   I would definitely recommend saving up for the Viper PST FFP.  A Whole lot of bang for the buck there. You'll have no regrets.


This. Have the viper pst 6-24x50 FFP and after selling 2 scopes to pay for it I have never regretted it for a second. It is everything the reviews suggest it is.

Of those two, however, I would go with the PA. It is a very nice scope for the cash but can't begin to compare with the Vortex PST FFP.
Link Posted: 2/23/2016 12:52:05 PM EDT
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I'm personally very surprised people are suggesting PA over Vortex. I keep trying to talk myself out of a PA but maybe I should give it a shot
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 1:41:50 AM EDT
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I'm personally very surprised people are suggesting PA over Vortex. I keep trying to talk myself out of a PA but maybe I should give it a shot
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If you're near Houston you're welcome to check my pa and bsa 4-14s out. For the price they're hard to beat, pending how the Athena scopes turn out.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:59:10 AM EDT
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i would look into deals with bushnell elite tact, i see them pop up on sale for around the price of vipers occasionally.

i have the h2dmr 3.5-21x (a little more pricey) and the fixed 10x. both are JAP glass, very clear, very rugged, repeatable,

if i was in the market for a $500ish scope; thats what I would keep an eye out for, particularly the 3-12x G2LRS FFP but also the 6400 mildot 2-16x sfp. these models seem to be around $700-$800, but they often go around $500ish if you wait for a sale

cant beat light optics japan glass for that price.
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