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Posted: 10/17/2014 12:45:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: highstepper]
Let's post up some good stuff.

Please indicate if a recipe is for bolt guns or autoloaders.  Thanks!
fnh
Link Posted: 10/17/2014 12:52:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: Sinister] [#1]
41.0 of IMR 4895 pushing a 168 Sierra Match King won Gary Anderson the Olympics in 300 Meter rifle.

42.0 of IMR 4064 pushing a 175 Match King is an "Index Load" -- if your rifle doesn't shoot it well there's something's wrong with your hardware.

44 grains of Varget will push most bullets accurately in a bolt rifle.  Stick around 42 to 43 for autoloaders.
Link Posted: 10/17/2014 12:55:47 AM EST
[#2]
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Originally Posted By Sinister:
41.0 of IMR 4895 pushing a 168 Sierra Match King won Gary Anderson the Olympics in 300 Meter rifle.

42.0 of IMR 4064 pushing a 175 Match King is an "Index Load" -- if your rifle doesn't shoot it well there's something's wrong with your hardware.

44 grains of Varget will push most bullets accurately in a bolt rifle.  Stick around 42 to 43 for autoloaders.
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Excellent!  Thanks!
Link Posted: 10/17/2014 9:40:09 AM EST
[#3]
42.5 gr. IMR 4064, 175 SMK , CCI #200 primer, fgmm brass,  loaded to 2.800"

This is getting me 2,640 fps out of a 24" 1:11.25 tightbore 5r bartlein barrel with a saami chamber. Zero pressure signs and beautiful 5-shot cloverleafs.  I worked this charge up from 41.8gr. IMR 4064.
I'm using a forster co-ax press with a whidden full length sizing die and a redding competition seater.  GemPro 250 scale.

I weigh and sort my brass for +/- 0.2 gr ocd is a bitch!

Link Posted: 10/17/2014 10:02:31 AM EST
[#4]
43.9gr Varget
Black Hills Match Brass
168gr SMK
CCI #200/BR4


I am unsure of velocity but I used this in both a DPMS LR-308 and numerous bolt action rifles (RDP, R700P, etc.) with excellent results.
Link Posted: 10/17/2014 1:39:48 PM EST
[#5]
Not a long range load but a very accurate for me sub load. I shoot these in my Sig SSG 3000 with an 18"bbl. Right about 3/4" for the groups I have shot so far.

10.0gr Trail Boss
175gr SMK
Winchester brass trimmed right at 2.005"
Fed 210m primers
OAL @ 2.810"

I did not have my chronograph when I worked these down so I don't know the FPS yet.



Link Posted: 10/17/2014 2:18:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: LRShooter] [#6]
Loads I used on a Savage 10 with a 1/10 24" barrel.

All with BHA brass/CCI BR primer

168 SMK
45.0 Varget
2.810

175 SMK
44.0 Varget
2.810

178 Hornady BTHP
43.7 Varget
2.830

155 Lapua Scenar
46.7 Varget
2.860

I don't have my chrono data in front of me, but the 175/178 loads ran around 2630fps, and the 155 at 2870.  I've since put on a new 26" Shillen barrel, but haven't worked up a load for it.  The 178bgthp load is pretty fast at an average 2698fps through the new barrel, but isn't as accurate as I'd like.
Link Posted: 10/17/2014 5:42:42 PM EST
[#7]
43.7 grains Varget
175 grain SMK
WLR primer
Winchester brass
2.800" OAL

Right around 2600 fps out of my 24" 10 twist Savage.
Link Posted: 10/18/2014 1:21:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: ROOSTER15] [#8]
46 VARGET, Lapua brass, CCI BR primer, 168SMK. 2750 out of a 20" Douglas with a YHM Ti Suppressor
Start at 44.5 and work up.
Link Posted: 10/18/2014 1:33:00 PM EST
[#9]
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Originally Posted By ROOSTER15:
46 VARGET, Lapua brass, CCI BR primer, 168SMK. 2750 out of a 20" Douglas with a YHM Ti Suppressor
Start at 44.5 and work up.
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that is absolutely screaming out of a 20" barrel, are you not getting overpressure signs?
Link Posted: 10/18/2014 3:17:53 PM EST
[#10]
*NOTE: MAX COMPRESSED LOAD* Absolutely has to be worked up in any rifle chamber and when changing any component

Match load for 1,000yds -

Sierra #2156 155gn Matchking Palma  Jumped .008" to .020" (find your sweet spot)
46.5gn Varget
CCI BR2 or Remington 9 1/2M primer
Win/Rem/Lapua/Hornady/Nosler brass only. .002" neck tension & anneal necks every 4 cycles
~3,025fps from 1:13 twist 30" Kreiger barrel w/95 Palma chamber.
Link Posted: 10/18/2014 9:04:43 PM EST
[#11]
42.8 grains of Varget
CCI BR2
175 SMK
Fed GMM brass, loaded 2.800 OAL.
Link Posted: 10/19/2014 12:03:29 PM EST
[#12]
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Originally Posted By imitation_crab:


that is absolutely screaming out of a 20" barrel, are you not getting overpressure signs?
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Originally Posted By imitation_crab:
Originally Posted By ROOSTER15:
46 VARGET, Lapua brass, CCI BR primer, 168SMK. 2750 out of a 20" Douglas with a YHM Ti Suppressor
Start at 44.5 and work up.


that is absolutely screaming out of a 20" barrel, are you not getting overpressure signs?


None. If I were I would lower the powder charge.
Link Posted: 10/19/2014 9:33:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: NUCdt04] [#13]
178 Hornady HPBT
41.3gr IMR 4064
Federal cases - 2.015
Federal match primers
2.875 OAL

Link Posted: 10/20/2014 5:40:42 PM EST
[#14]
For my FN custom (22" Bartlein)

43 IMR4064/175SMK 2.8/FC case/FGMM primer (2675 FPS)
43 IMR4064 /178 Hornady BTHP/2.840 (2683 FPS)
47 2000MR/178 H BTHP/2.840 (2775 FPS)
47 2000MR/185 Berger Juggernaut 2.850 (2700 FPS)
Link Posted: 10/21/2014 12:25:57 PM EST
[#15]
My powder of choice is XBR 8208 and then Varget *for 223 and 308*.  I do want to try 4895 though (if i can ever find it).  
Rifle is a custom built.  POF builders kit.  22" JP enterprise 11.25:1 5R, Geissele HSNM-DMR, Sightron 10-50x60 LRMOA-2.  


44.5-44.8 gr Varget, LC match brass, Fed 210, 168gr SMK   ***  im going back and doing another workup for this powder range.  both 5 shot groups got about the same moa (.407 vs .399)
43.2 gr XBR 8208   , LC match brass, Fed 210, 168gr SMK   *** need to do a workup with this grain vs 41.8.  both gave me a .40 moa, but it was much warmer during the day and i was rushing the shots.

I will use this post as a place holder.  Did a workup of 168gr A-max, 178 A-max, and 175  smk's with the above 2 powders.  just havent had a chance to go shoot it.
Link Posted: 10/21/2014 10:35:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: JAD762] [#16]
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Originally Posted By Sinister:
41.0 of IMR 4895 pushing a 168 Sierra Match King won Gary Anderson the Olympics in 300 Meter rifle.

42.0 of IMR 4064 pushing a 175 Match King is an "Index Load" -- if your rifle doesn't shoot it well there's something's wrong with your hardware.

44 grains of Varget will push most bullets accurately in a bolt rifle.  Stick around 42 to 43 for autoloaders.
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42.0 grains of 4064 pushing a 168 SMK is THE load for High Power guys shooting M1As.

In my circle at least.
Link Posted: 10/22/2014 12:39:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: HighpowerRifleBrony] [#17]
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Originally Posted By JAD762:

42.0 grains of 4064 pushing a 168 SMK is THE load for High Power guys shooting M1As.

In my circle at least.
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46gr 42gr of IMR4064 under a 135gr SMK was my load for the National M1A match last year. In Prone Slow, I lost about 5 points to wind, but elevation was X-ring tight. Not bad for a SWAG load.
Link Posted: 10/22/2014 5:08:30 PM EST
[#18]
Savage 10 FCP 24" 1:10 factory barrel

Lapua brass, CCI primers
190 grain Sierra Matchkings, 42.3 grains Varget, 2580 fps.  Come-ups to 600 & 1K yards, 15.5 & 36.5 minutes respectively.
168 grain Sierra Matchkings, 43.6 grains Varget, 2790 fps.  I use these just for practice, shooting 1" dots at 200 yards

I seat them right at the rifling lands; little or no jump
Solid half-minute loads

It should go without saying, but start low and work your way up
Link Posted: 10/22/2014 7:20:58 PM EST
[#19]
This seems to be the standard load for M1A shooters.
168gr SMK

41.5gr IMR-4895

Federal GM210M primer

2.80" OAL

I use commercial brass, mainly Federal brass.
Link Posted: 10/23/2014 8:15:03 PM EST
[#20]




Chris

Link Posted: 10/23/2014 9:27:04 PM EST
[#21]
Bolt gun load:

155 Scenar
Win Cases
CCI primers
47.8 gr Varget (compressed)
2950 fps 24" barrel

Caution start low and work up slowly, this load is right at the edge of sanity, although I do get 35 reload cycles on this load in my gun.
Link Posted: 10/25/2014 8:42:26 AM EST
[#22]
Currently working up a load using imr 4064, 175 smk, lapua brass and fed 210m primers. Right around 42 grain. Seems promising.
Also use 45.4 varget under 168 a-max getting faint ejector marks though.
Link Posted: 10/25/2014 8:07:57 PM EST
[#23]
168 Hornady Amax, 44 grain IMR 4064, Lapua brass, FED 210 primers. 2.95" OAL

Going to be switching to CCI primers soon due to that was all I could get and I ordered 11,000 of them.
Link Posted: 10/28/2014 1:19:24 PM EST
[#24]
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Originally Posted By Sinister:
41.0 of IMR 4895 pushing a 168 Sierra Match King won Gary Anderson the Olympics in 300 Meter rifle.

42.0 of IMR 4064 pushing a 175 Match King is an "Index Load" -- if your rifle doesn't shoot it well there's something's wrong with your hardware.

44 grains of Varget will push most bullets accurately in a bolt rifle.  Stick around 42 to 43 for autoloaders.
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That's what I load using Federal brass and FGMM primers. I've seen it referred to a few different places online as the FGMM "clone"

I picked up a quantity of the 180 grain Gameking factory seconds, some of which I loaded to the same recipe. If things go well, I'll get to test them this weekend.

I'm curious if anyone here has used them in lieu of the SMKs, and if so, how they performed.
Link Posted: 10/28/2014 2:53:16 PM EST
[#25]
41.5gr IMR-4895/4064, both powders at this charge weight, in my rifle, are right at the same velocity and shoot accurately out to 700yds.
Link Posted: 10/28/2014 5:17:25 PM EST
[#26]

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Originally Posted By Hanzerik:


41.5gr IMR-4895/4064, both powders at this charge weight, in my rifle, are right at the same velocity and shoot accurately out to 700yds.
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Bullet?



 
Link Posted: 10/29/2014 2:17:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: midmoguy] [#27]
44.5 grains of Varget
Lapua case neck turned to 0.014"
185 Berger Juggernaut
Loaded to 2.961" OAL=0.01" jam
WLR Primers

This load is for my rifle, do not attempt to recreate without starting low and working up
Link Posted: 10/29/2014 3:51:27 PM EST
[#28]
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Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony:

Bullet?
 
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Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony:
Originally Posted By Hanzerik:
41.5gr IMR-4895/4064, both powders at this charge weight, in my rifle, are right at the same velocity and shoot accurately out to 700yds.

Bullet?
 

Nosler 168gr CC, Winchester Brass (BHA Match), WinLRP, COAL 2.80"
Velocity is right around 2415fps out of my 20" barrel.
Link Posted: 11/1/2014 3:50:11 AM EST
[#29]
168gr AMax
44gr. VARGET
Fgmm primers
FC brass
2.800 coal

1/2 moa in my Savage 110.
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 12:00:45 AM EST
[#30]
155 A max, 45.5 IMR 4895, 2.8 COAL, WLR primers, Hornady Match 1x annealed, seated with Forster die.

5 shot group, 100 yards, Rem 700 SPS/1-12 twist, BC Medalist stock, Timney trigger - .386 moa (Ignore the low POI - I didn't change the setting from the 168 POA/POI used in the below picture)



Link Posted: 11/18/2014 9:02:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: GoVol98] [#31]
Question:  Getting back into reloading for my Savage FP-10.

Before I've only used Varget.....now you all are using 4064 & 4895  (I save those for the Garand)....but no mention of using Reloader 15 ?  I thought that was the new miracle powder for the .308.

I'm confused now.

BTW I'll be setting up for 500+ yd accuracy shots.  Buddy and I now have access to a 1500yd range on a farm.  I'll be maxed out while his .338 Lapua is just stretching its legs.

Mods , go ahead and delete if this thread is for recipes only.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 7:24:36 PM EST
[#32]
Hornady match brass
CCI BR-2 primers
42.9 grains of 8208XBR
168 gr A-Max
COAL 2.869 ( they only fit in my 10 round C-Products mags )

Shoots sub MOA out of my DPMS 24" bull barrel
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 8:05:42 PM EST
[#33]
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Originally Posted By supv26:
168 Hornady Amax, 44 grain IMR 4064, Lapua brass, FED 210 primers. 2.95" OAL

Going to be switching to CCI primers soon due to that was all I could get and I ordered 11,000 of them.
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I found some FED 210 primers at Tulsa so I am still using them but I am trying out some Berger 175 grain long range boat tails.
43 grain IMR 4064, Lapua brass.

I've still got 11,000 CCI primers too  LOL
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 7:06:20 PM EST
[#34]
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Originally Posted By supv26:



I found some FED 210 primers at Tulsa so I am still using them but I am trying out some Berger 175 grain long range boat tails.
43 grain IMR 4064, Lapua brass.

I've still got 11,000 CCI primers too  LOL
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Originally Posted By supv26:
Originally Posted By supv26:
168 Hornady Amax, 44 grain IMR 4064, Lapua brass, FED 210 primers. 2.95" OAL

Going to be switching to CCI primers soon due to that was all I could get and I ordered 11,000 of them.



I found some FED 210 primers at Tulsa so I am still using them but I am trying out some Berger 175 grain long range boat tails.
43 grain IMR 4064, Lapua brass.

I've still got 11,000 CCI primers too  LOL


Does anyone have a starting load for Varget with the Berger 175g Tactical OTM, I'm having trouble finding a starting point and actually looking to shoot some on paper tomorrow, just got my brass prepped, thanks.
Link Posted: 12/29/2014 1:44:10 AM EST
[#35]
Not much here over the last weeks...

I shoot a 16" AR .308 1 in 10" twist that I want to load for.

It shoots the 168g Federal Sierra Match HPBTs less than .5moa... when I do my part anyways. The test target with a group of 4 at the factory was .300 moa with 175g Federal Sierra Match HPBT.

I want to try some long range shooting for which I read 175 grain is better because of instability of the 168 grain bullets as they become subsonic.

I plan to use my Federal brass and it sounds like many like the CCI primers.
Varget also seems to be a favorite so I would like to try that... except it seems harder to find but that's another thread.

All that said, generally describes what I have read. Sine my barrel is short I would expect a faster burning powder rather than waste it in flash after the bullet gas left the barrel. My guess is that the boat tail helps keep that from affecting the stability of the bullet since that after burn has to be a higher velocity than the bullet.

My question is what powders and primers y'all think would be better for my semi-auto 16" as opposed to what appear to be mostly 24" barrels here.

tia
Link Posted: 12/29/2014 7:02:32 PM EST
[#36]
Fed once fired sorted mil brass. Full prep

Cci lrg primer

168 grn amax or ncc

44.5 grn of adi2208 ( varget )

2850 avg fps out a 28" f class bolt gun, shoots 1/4 and under at 200y ( rifles zero )
Link Posted: 1/3/2015 8:08:53 PM EST
[#37]
42 grains of IMR 4895, Winchester Brass, 178 BTHP seated at 2.800".  (Lapua Brass 41.8 grains)

This has shot 1/2 MOA out of 5 different rifles, including autoloaders.  Velocity will vary.

It is easy on brass and accurate at 1000.  

Link Posted: 1/3/2015 10:13:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: SuperJlarge] [#38]
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Originally Posted By GoVol98:
Question:  Getting back into reloading for my Savage FP-10.

Before I've only used Varget.....now you all are using 4064 & 4895  (I save those for the Garand)....but no mention of using Reloader 15 ?  I thought that was the new miracle powder for the .308.

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Factory 700p (also has worked VERY well in 700 5R milspecs).
RL-15
178amax
43.8 in lapua brass, 44.4 in Winchester brass, 44grs in FGMM brass, Fed210M's. Seated at 2.825. This is a warm load so I would suggest starting at least a grain below, which has proven to be very accurate, but I wanted a little more velocity for the 800-1000yd shots. As always, these are what works in my rifle. Use caution and work up a load in your rifle.



Link Posted: 1/12/2015 12:31:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: WUSSCVR] [#39]
I currently use 43.1gr. of Varget for 175gr. SMKs in Hornady Match brass with CCI primers. No pressure signs but start 10% low and work up just for safety. This is by no means a hot load. This load has proven to be great for accuracy with my FN PBR XP.

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Does anyone have a starting load for Varget with the Berger 175g Tactical OTM, I'm having trouble finding a starting point and actually looking to shoot some on paper tomorrow, just got my brass prepped, thanks.
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Originally Posted By supv26:
Originally Posted By supv26:
168 Hornady Amax, 44 grain IMR 4064, Lapua brass, FED 210 primers. 2.95" OAL

Going to be switching to CCI primers soon due to that was all I could get and I ordered 11,000 of them.



I found some FED 210 primers at Tulsa so I am still using them but I am trying out some Berger 175 grain long range boat tails.
43 grain IMR 4064, Lapua brass.

I've still got 11,000 CCI primers too  LOL


Does anyone have a starting load for Varget with the Berger 175g Tactical OTM, I'm having trouble finding a starting point and actually looking to shoot some on paper tomorrow, just got my brass prepped, thanks.

Link Posted: 1/13/2015 9:34:50 PM EST
[#40]
42.0 whole grains associated with 4064 pushing any 168 SMK is THE weight for High Energy fellas capturing M1As.
Link Posted: 1/14/2015 7:37:42 AM EST
[#41]
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Originally Posted By Bostekrisco:



That's what I load using Federal brass and FGMM primers. I've seen it referred to a few different places online as the FGMM "clone"

I picked up a quantity of the 180 grain Gameking factory seconds, some of which I loaded to the same recipe. If things go well, I'll get to test them this weekend.

I'm curious if anyone here has used them in lieu of the SMKs, and if so, how they performed.
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Originally Posted By Bostekrisco:
Originally Posted By Sinister:
41.0 of IMR 4895 pushing a 168 Sierra Match King won Gary Anderson the Olympics in 300 Meter rifle.

42.0 of IMR 4064 pushing a 175 Match King is an "Index Load" -- if your rifle doesn't shoot it well there's something's wrong with your hardware.

44 grains of Varget will push most bullets accurately in a bolt rifle.  Stick around 42 to 43 for autoloaders.



That's what I load using Federal brass and FGMM primers. I've seen it referred to a few different places online as the FGMM "clone"

I picked up a quantity of the 180 grain Gameking factory seconds, some of which I loaded to the same recipe. If things go well, I'll get to test them this weekend.

I'm curious if anyone here has used them in lieu of the SMKs, and if so, how they performed.


What is the COL on the FGMM "clone" looking for a good starting point
Link Posted: 1/15/2015 8:03:16 AM EST
[#42]
Redundant to post this but 42.5 grains of IMR 4064 under a 175 HPBT is the most accurate load out of my M700 VS with 1-12" twist. I've worked this load up in Remington, Winchester and Federal brass all with CCI #200 primers and an OAL of 2.800". Out of my 26" barrel my chronograph tells me that I'm averaging 2600 fps. I figured it would be a little higher out of the 26" barrel, but I really don't trust that chronograph.
Link Posted: 1/22/2015 2:37:04 PM EST
[#43]
Any clue about using the 165gr SGK? I ask this because with factory loads, the 168gr FGMM shoots almost identical to the federal with the 165gr SGK. I'm curious if I can run 42.0 gr of 4064 and be right there. I got some 165gr SGK last week and I'm wanting to test them out.
Link Posted: 1/25/2015 6:07:42 PM EST
[#44]
Does anyone have an "index" load for the 155 target bullets (I have 155 Nosler Competition). Thanks.
Link Posted: 2/2/2015 12:21:36 PM EST
[#45]
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Originally Posted By StretchMaK:
Not a long range load but a very accurate for me sub load. I shoot these in my Sig SSG 3000 with an 18"bbl. Right about 3/4" for the groups I have shot so far.

10.0gr Trail Boss
175gr SMK
Winchester brass trimmed right at 2.005"
Fed 210m primers
OAL @ 2.810"

I did not have my chronograph when I worked these down so I don't know the FPS yet.



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I use this same load. Super quiet and accurate to boot.
Link Posted: 2/2/2015 1:00:06 PM EST
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Link Posted: 4/12/2015 7:15:02 PM EST
[#47]
Tag
Link Posted: 3/24/2016 7:14:06 PM EST
[#48]
This should be a "Tacked Thread", like the 6.5, 260, and 223 Tacked Threads.
Link Posted: 3/25/2016 5:42:24 PM EST
[#49]
Am using 43.9 gr of varget, lapua brass trimmed to 2.005, OAL 2.800, cci primers and Hornady 178 ELD-X bullets. 2720 fps average of 5 shots using my labradar chronograph. Brass and primers look good. Shooting out of my Savage 10T 308, 5R, 24 inch bull barrel. Does raise the barrel a little.
Link Posted: 3/25/2016 8:22:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Crowfoot:
Not much here over the last weeks...

I shoot a 16" AR .308 1 in 10" twist that I want to load for.

It shoots the 168g Federal Sierra Match HPBTs less than .5moa... when I do my part anyways. The test target with a group of 4 at the factory was .300 moa with 175g Federal Sierra Match HPBT.

I want to try some long range shooting for which I read 175 grain is better because of instability of the 168 grain bullets as they become subsonic.

I plan to use my Federal brass and it sounds like many like the CCI primers.
Varget also seems to be a favorite so I would like to try that... except it seems harder to find but that's another thread.

All that said, generally describes what I have read. Sine my barrel is short I would expect a faster burning powder rather than waste it in flash after the bullet gas left the barrel. My guess is that the boat tail helps keep that from affecting the stability of the bullet since that after burn has to be a higher velocity than the bullet.

My question is what powders and primers y'all think would be better for my semi-auto 16" as opposed to what appear to be mostly 24" barrels here.

tia
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I have a 16" 1-10 twist gun as well. Had great success with IMR XBR and 175 SMK. Better than varget in my gun.
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