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Posted: 10/21/2016 10:06:35 PM EDT
Ever since I met a few Arfcommers that were shooting ground hogs at 800 yds a better part of 10 years ago, I've been interested in long range shooting, but found the cost to get started between a gun, optics, and a reloading setup was seemingly the biggest barrier to entry.






A few months ago I came across a somewhat local group putting on PRS style matches and began shooting them with my newly build AR10 setup that I cobbled together a week or two before the first match. That match was a huge learning experience (I scored two hits out of 65 targets) and I found I really need to work at becoming a better shooter, do some major work at dialing in my reloads (also started reloading two weeks before the first match), and sort of some reliability issues with my gun to solve the inherent AR10 teething issues. The Second match went significantly better. I didn't have a single gun issue, I was making hits (shot in the middle of the pack score-wise at 26/62 hits), and made huge strides in learning my dope and dialing my scope.














My setup worked pretty well, but the 16" barrel was too short in my opinion and when I started stretching it out to the longer 600yd stages it had it's limitations. Thus I kind of wanted to build a bolt gun. My intention is see how capable a factory Remington in .308 can be and also give myself a Wile E Coyote gunsmithing project. I am by no means an experienced gunsmith, but I do  have a machine shop and contract manufacture gun parts, so over the course of this project I plan to try to modify the gun to incorporate some features like side bolt release, 8-24 action screws, thread the bolt handle, M16 extractor, and shorten/thread the barrel and maybe a few other things. I'll do my best to document the project with tons of pictures and keep a running tally of the cost of the project as well, to give an idea of what is possible.














To get the project started, I was able to find a killer deal on Slickguns.com for a Remington 700 ADL Varmint in .308 for $309 through a coupon code and rebates at Cabelas.












Costs so far:







Base Remington 700 ADL Varmint - $309


Used Seekins 20 MOA scope base - $85


Used Seekins Medium 4 scope rings - $80


New Magpul Hunter and bottom metal - $260

Harris HBMRS Bipod - $95


Nightforce NXS 5.5-15x50 - Free/borrowed from the AR10












Total - $829












This afternoon the last few parts rolled in and I decided to put it all together. I plan to hit the range tomorrow and see how it shoots some 168gr SMKs.







The Remington 700 ADL Varmint as it came out of the box.














The ADL configuration was the biggest downside, but easily overcome with the planned changes.















All the parts that I planned to install at this stage. I'm sure there will be more in the future.















Magpul's MLOK bipod adapter. This was my first time using MLOK and I honestly found it not to be the most user friendly.















The rifle all together.




























The Bottom metal(polymer) seemed to work pretty well and of course fit nicely in the stock.


















 
Link Posted: 10/21/2016 10:51:50 PM EDT
[#1]
Why not start with a Ruger RPR?
Link Posted: 10/22/2016 8:48:11 AM EDT
[#2]
Nice progress so far and what a smoking deal on that 700. I started with that setup 7-8 years ago in just a plain SPS varmint and that rifle probably has 6-8K rounds through it. I had it cut to 24" and recrowned and threaded and it is a fantastic shooter. I am about to go down the rabbit hole and try a RemAge barrel setup on it because I think the first one is finally about done. I'm excited to try it.

When I had my match rifle built, I went down the 6.5mm route with a .260 Rem and even though its been a source of contention I can't recommend 6.5 enough. I'll never go without .308 and have several but the 6.5 is where its at in competition. I shot .308 for about 6-7 matches before my .260 was done and I was happy with it because I didn't know any different. Fast forward to getting my rifle done and getting a load dialed in, I was blown away at the advantages of it. I just love the recoil mitigation, they're like shooting a BB gun. I always read about the ballistic advantages in the 308 vs 6.5 threads, and there are definitely advantages ballistically, but in my experience, low recoil helps me more than anything actually watch my shot and see impact or a correction way better.

But the most important thing is you are out there competing. Good on you. I'll say in my experience having shot IDPA, NRA High Power and F Class, and 3 Gun, I've never had more fun shooting. The people I've met all across the country have been some of the most salt of the earth people I've ever been around and love seeing how new shooters are handled.

Good progress!
Link Posted: 10/22/2016 9:00:50 AM EDT
[#3]
OP,

I did a lot of the same.  Went to my first local PRS match as an RO. Had a great time and the had a really good group of guys. I shot my first match the following month with a rifle I already had and decided to build a gun for the series instead of wearing out my high dollar rifle.

Started with a bone stock 700P in 308. Scoped it with a swfa 3-15, NF base and mark 4 rings. Then came the KRG X-ray chassis, action work, barrel cut to 20" with a surefire installed.  


Link Posted: 10/22/2016 9:52:02 AM EDT
[#4]

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Originally Posted By EzGoingKev:


Why not start with a Ruger RPR?
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I don't care for Chassis style setups. I'd prefer a regular stock and the possibilities with a 700. I own a machine shop, so this will eventually turn into a tinker project once I get a few thousand down the tube.
Link Posted: 10/22/2016 9:54:16 AM EDT
[#5]

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Originally Posted By HuntinBuddy80:


Nice progress so far and what a smoking deal on that 700. I started with that setup 7-8 years ago in just a plain SPS varmint and that rifle probably has 6-8K rounds through it. I had it cut to 24" and recrowned and threaded and it is a fantastic shooter. I am about to go down the rabbit hole and try a RemAge barrel setup on it because I think the first one is finally about done. I'm excited to try it.



When I had my match rifle built, I went down the 6.5mm route with a .260 Rem and even though its been a source of contention I can't recommend 6.5 enough. I'll never go without .308 and have several but the 6.5 is where its at in competition. I shot .308 for about 6-7 matches before my .260 was done and I was happy with it because I didn't know any different. Fast forward to getting my rifle done and getting a load dialed in, I was blown away at the advantages of it. I just love the recoil mitigation, they're like shooting a BB gun. I always read about the ballistic advantages in the 308 vs 6.5 threads, and there are definitely advantages ballistically, but in my experience, low recoil helps me more than anything actually watch my shot and see impact or a correction way better.



But the most important thing is you are out there competing. Good on you. I'll say in my experience having shot IDPA, NRA High Power and F Class, and 3 Gun, I've never had more fun shooting. The people I've met all across the country have been some of the most salt of the earth people I've ever been around and love seeing how new shooters are handled.



Good progress!
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I think I might go down the 6.5/.260 route when I decide to rebarrel it/do a Remage conversion. I really like the idea of being able to change the barrel out myself. The initial draw to .308 is that it's super common and since I just started reloading, it's pretty easy for me to source components like LC brass on a budget.









Link Posted: 10/22/2016 10:42:23 AM EDT
[#6]
I think you've inspired me sir.  I've been looking at getting into PRS type shooting.  I have an RPR but I'd like a 700 based gun too.  This seems like it would be a good, cheap, basic way to go
Link Posted: 10/22/2016 1:30:42 PM EDT
[#7]
I had my doubts when I headed to the range this morning. I didn't expect the gun to shoot very well, especially with the 43 degree weather since I'm a wuss in the cold.



Before heading to the range, I did take some time to adjust the weight of the trigger down significantly. I don't have a pull weight gauge, but it was REALLY heavy. After adjusting it, I went through the whole safety check procedure and bounced the butt stock off the concrete basement floor a few times to make sure it wasn't too light. It turned out fairly light and I was happy with it, but it certainly was no Timney.




I shot a few sighters at 25yds just to get the scope on paper. Then moved to 100yds to shoot some groups. I didn't have any factory ammo, but I did have some left-over match ammo for my AR10 from last month so that's what I shot. Since it was tailored to the other gun, I wasn't going to hold my breath for spectacular groups, but by the end of the morning, I was pleasantly surprised.







Ammo:




168gr SMK

LC Brass

42.7gr IMR 4064

CCI 200

2.80" COAL















The first couple groups of the day were kind of meh as I still had to get used to the trigger a bit. I was shooting five shot groups, because I'm not a little girl and not trying to impress anyone.

















Forgive the one random shot in the top right, that wasn't part of the five shot group.









Then the last group of the day turned out to be the best.





Link Posted: 10/23/2016 9:20:55 AM EDT
[#8]
Nice group. Have you chrono'd yet? My SPS is on the slower side, may be the 12 twist barrel. Shooting 175 SMKs in FGGM cases with 43.4 gr of 4064 I was just around 2600 at 70 degrees. I'm shooting ammo I worked up for a gas 308 with 168 Tipped Match Kings in TAA Nato brass, 42.2 gets me 2625 and its pretty good all the way 1,000.

One thing to note, the traditional 168 Match Kings are not very friendly to distances out past 850 or so in all of my experience. They go really unstable just due to their design when they slow through transsonic speeds. I've seen them impact completely sideways at 1,000 before. I actually had one land on my shoulder and char my shirt pulling targets at a 1,000 yard F class match, it hit the target frame almost sideways and went straight down on me. The new 168 TMK's and even the regular 175 SMKs are good to go.

How do you like your stock? I was squadded with two shooters from Remington's PRS team at the Bushnell GAP Grind a couple weeks ago, one of them had one on a rifle and he said he loved it. I would assume those guys could put anything on them they want and he had one of those.  It makes me want to build something to put in one haha.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 7:16:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HuntinBuddy80:


Nice group. Have you chrono'd yet? My SPS is on the slower side, may be the 12 twist barrel. Shooting 175 SMKs in FGGM cases with 43.4 gr of 4064 I was just around 2600 at 70 degrees. I'm shooting ammo I worked up for a gas 308 with 168 Tipped Match Kings in TAA Nato brass, 42.2 gets me 2625 and its pretty good all the way 1,000.



One thing to note, the traditional 168 Match Kings are not very friendly to distances out past 850 or so in all of my experience. They go really unstable just due to their design when they slow through transsonic speeds. I've seen them impact completely sideways at 1,000 before. I actually had one land on my shoulder and char my shirt pulling targets at a 1,000 yard F class match, it hit the target frame almost sideways and went straight down on me. The new 168 TMK's and even the regular 175 SMKs are good to go.



How do you like your stock? I was squadded with two shooters from Remington's PRS team at the Bushnell GAP Grind a couple weeks ago, one of them had one on a rifle and he said he loved it. I would assume those guys could put anything on them they want and he had one of those.  It makes me want to build something to put in one haha.
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I haven't chrono'd it yet. I was hoping to borrow a chrono from my buddy one of these weekends.




Thanks for the info on bullets and weights. I have a bunch of 175 SMKs as well, just haven't loaded any up yet. The 168s seem to do fine for now since I don't have much chance to shoot out past 600yds.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 8:06:30 AM EDT
[#10]
No problem at all. And those 168s will do just fine until you get out to 8-900. Theres been a lot of High Power matches won with those over the years.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:30:39 AM EDT
[#11]
I've been thinking about finding something a little cheaper than SMKs to practice with to get more trigger time, but don't know if it's worth the effort to try out Hornady, some mil-surp 168s, etc
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