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Posted: 11/18/2014 11:10:24 PM EST
I'm wondering if the 26 nosler is really as hard on barrel throats as all the armchair commanders and mall ninjas online who have probably never seen much less owned one claim.

I'm guessing that if you don't go and try to blast 20 rounds in five minutes every range session the barrel should probably last 1200-1500 rounds.
PWS
Link Posted: 11/18/2014 11:20:03 PM EST
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Shoot heavy for caliber bullets with a powder to fill the case 90%+, keep peak pressure at 60K psi or below, shoot slow enough to keep the barrel cool to the touch and you'll get over 1500 rounds through it fine.  And, yes, I've shot a barrel out in less than 900 rounds.

Link Posted: 11/19/2014 12:03:37 AM EST
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I'm going to give you a pass on that one.  But do not post such stuff in this Technical Forum again, or you will get a formal Warning.  This is not General Discussion. - Old_Painless

Link Posted: 11/19/2014 12:33:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By riflecrank:


How many rounds do you think the average 26 Nosler will see over its lifetime?  Its a awesome flat shooting big game cartridge.  Who the fuck gives a flying fuck if the barrel burns out in 1000 rds  Do the math, lets say you have one and it takes you 20 rounds to zero it every hunting season because your an incompetent loser that doesn't have a clue.  40 years @ 20 rds a year = 800 rds.  Lets continue with your a complete bozo and it takes you 5 shots every year to fill your tag = another 200 rds in 40 years.
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Ok....



What about the people who actually go out and shoot their rifles to become proficient with them and know them in and out?  You know, the ones who actually have good dope for their setups and can make the proper wind and range calls and actually hit their targets?



How about those who compete with their rifles?  Several thousand rounds a year through a precision rifle is pretty easy to do.  Not everyone is happy to go out and shoot 20 rounds a year and HOPE to hit their target.
 
Link Posted: 11/19/2014 12:55:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By riflecrank:
How many rounds do you think the average 26 Nosler will see over its lifetime?  Its a awesome flat shooting big game cartridge.  Who the fuck gives a flying fuck if the barrel burns out in 1000 rds  Do the math, lets say you have one and it takes you 20 rounds to zero it every hunting season because your an incompetent loser that doesn't have a clue.  40 years @ 20 rds a year = 800 rds.  Lets continue with your a complete bozo and it takes you 5 shots every year to fill your tag = another 200 rds in 40 years.
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WTH kind of response is this.  Last I checked this wasn't GD.

To the OP, yes the 26 Nosler is a barrel burner.  It is a serious over bore cartridge pushing a relatively small bullet over 3000 fps.  That will burn a barrel out very quickly.  Use it in competitions where shot strings can be upwards of 10 rds at a time and you will see less than 1000 rds before the barrel dies.

Stick with a moderate cartridge like 260 or Creedmoor.  Good performance and barrel life of 2500+ rds.  

Link Posted: 11/19/2014 6:43:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By riflecrank:
Lets continue with your a complete bozo and it takes you 5 shots every year to fill your tag = another 200 rds in 40 years.
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I feel sorry for those who fill an annual tag with 5-shots. I get 6 deer in NC and still have out-of-state tags as well for VA deer and bear.  The guys with feral hog populations shoot way more than that.
Link Posted: 11/19/2014 12:10:14 PM EST
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look at the 6.5 SAUM 4S (GAP version of the RSAUM) if you want that performance but better barrel life 3000+



















and it will run in a short action


 
Link Posted: 11/19/2014 3:08:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By OhioLongRange:
look at the 6.5 SAUM 4S (GAP version of the RSAUM) if you want that performance but better barrel life 3000+

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/6-5-saum-101316/index4.html


http://forum.snipershide.info/snipers-hide-bolt-action-rifles/185807-new-gap-extreme-hunter-6-5-saum.html

and it will run in a short action
 
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Here is all of the info I have gathered for it, with part numbers for redding equipment.

Loading dies
Rcbs - #38 shell holder
7mm SAUM S-type set #36280
VLD seater insert #55748
Decap rod #11263
Long VLD Seater Stems, 6.5 mm #55746
If your starting on 300 SAUM brass you also need a .311 bushing.
moly neck lube 07200
Size with .311(73311)
then .295 (73295)
then turn .015
then Size with .290 (73290)
7mm saum brass
.295 part#73295

Neck turn to .015
Decapping rod #11263
then Size with .290 (73290)
Link Posted: 11/19/2014 3:17:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By broke_again:



WTH kind of response is this.  Last I checked this wasn't GD.

To the OP, yes the 26 Nosler is a barrel burner.  It is a serious over bore cartridge pushing a relatively small bullet over 3000 fps.  That will burn a barrel out very quickly.  Use it in competitions where shot strings can be upwards of 10 rds at a time and you will see less than 1000 rds before the barrel dies.

Stick with a moderate cartridge like 260 or Creedmoor.  Good performance and barrel life of 2500+ rds.

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Originally Posted By broke_again:
Originally Posted By riflecrank:
How many rounds do you think the average 26 Nosler will see over its lifetime?  Its a awesome flat shooting big game cartridge.  Who the fuck gives a flying fuck if the barrel burns out in 1000 rds  Do the math, lets say you have one and it takes you 20 rounds to zero it every hunting season because your an incompetent loser that doesn't have a clue.  40 years @ 20 rds a year = 800 rds.  Lets continue with your a complete bozo and it takes you 5 shots every year to fill your tag = another 200 rds in 40 years.



WTH kind of response is this.  Last I checked this wasn't GD.

To the OP, yes the 26 Nosler is a barrel burner.  It is a serious over bore cartridge pushing a relatively small bullet over 3000 fps.  That will burn a barrel out very quickly.  Use it in competitions where shot strings can be upwards of 10 rds at a time and you will see less than 1000 rds before the barrel dies.

Stick with a moderate cartridge like 260 or Creedmoor.  Good performance and barrel life of 2500+ rds.



You are correct:  This is not GD.

"Overbore" is a word used often, understood seldom.  

"Bore capacity" applies to a cartridge in relation to available powders. A case that's "over bore capacity" is a case that can not be loaded with a caseful of any available powder without developing dangerous pressures. It's a matter of how fast and how high the pressure curve rises while the travel of the bullet down the bore bleeds-off some of the pressure. In a case that's over bore capacity, the travel of the bullet down the bore can not relieve the building pressure fast enough to keep the peak pressure (from a caseful charge) down to a safe level.  If there's a powder available that you can fill the case with, without producing dangerous pressures, that case is not "over bore capacity."

Seems there are several powders available that provide over a 90% case fill yet safe pressures:

Nosler data

Link Posted: 11/20/2014 1:05:30 AM EST
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Basically I shoot a lot. I have a Winchester M70 in 300h&h that I put about 800 rounds on the original barrel and the new barrel which is only two years old probably has near 500 rounds through it.

If I got one of these I would probably end up putting at least 500 rounds through it the first year just because it would be a new toy I would want to shoot all the time.

What I really wanted was a 6.5-06 Ackley with a Sendero profile and 28" long having as deep of flutes as I could get put into it and still maintain bore integrity. The goal was to have a 120 grain bullet that could go at least 3300 FPS in a heavy rifle that could be zeroed @ 400y and have that distance be used as the point blank.

My issue is that I would need a donor M70 action, McMillan or other similar stock and with the Night Force scope I wanted the rifle would probably cost nearly $4k to build.

I was hoping that the 26 nosler would be a better alternative but I know barrel life wont be nearly as long as the 6.5-06 Ackley and brass will be very spendy as of now.

Who would you recommend to talk to about a build like this though? I really would value having someone who can keep a dead line when they set it since I have had trouble with other people in the past.
Link Posted: 11/20/2014 1:20:56 AM EST
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Your 6.5 Ackley will EASILY launch the 120s at 3300 fps. My .260 will nearly do that.

BUT, I think everyone needs a hot 6.5 or 6mm.
Link Posted: 11/20/2014 12:19:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By m1garand__man:
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I was hoping that the 26 nosler would be a better alternative but I know barrel life wont be nearly as long as the 6.5-06 Ackley and brass will be very spendy as of now.
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For an Ackley, brass cost & barrel ware can be deceptive since you have to load & fire-form, even with the cream-of-wheat method, before you get to a final load.  Very few AI's have already manufactured brass (ex. 280 AI) and they are spendy too.  
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 4:49:02 PM EST
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While the 6.5 Nosler is really a hot rod, I suggest people consider why the would need it...

I was having a full custom build done, and considered going with the 6.5x51 AI (essentially a 7.65x51 necked to 6.5mm and blown out).  Then when I looked at the cost/benefit of it I decided to go with a plain 260.  All the extra work making custom cases would net me 200, maybe 300 yards more distance before the bullet would go transonic.  As the plain 260 would reach 1500-1750 yards before going transonic, I had to wonder how often I actually would need to shoot 1700-2000 yards, and the answer was, not in the past 5 years.

In the 3.5 years since completing my build, the rifle has about 2500 rounds through it and easily shoots under half moa.  I don't even need to ad the caveat "when I do my part" because when I let better shooters use the rifle, their groups are closer to .25 moa for 5 shots....regularly.

Sure, the 6.5 Nosler has great performance, and as a pure hunting rifle, it might be great, but I just don't need it.
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