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Posted: 2/22/2016 7:15:56 PM EDT
I just put a Ruger RPR in .308 on order and shouldn't be too long I hope. I am now concerned with which scope to equip it with. I will be using it for hunting and fun shooting for now but will also use it for duty if that opportunity presents itself in the future.

I am looking for zoom from around 3-4x to 20x if possible. I am looking for MOA adjustment system as well as an illuminated reticle. My budget is up to 1k and if I am missing any details on this topic please request them and Ill reply with as much info as I can provide.
Link Posted: 2/22/2016 7:55:37 PM EDT
Need to know what kind of "duty" you're talking about.
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For a thousand bucks you could probably get a Viper PST in 6-24x50 with your choice of MOA/MIL, illuminated and your choice of FFP reticles.
Link Posted: 2/22/2016 8:04:38 PM EDT
As a sniper, all shots will be within 200 yards and training wouldn't be more than 1000.

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Link Posted: 2/22/2016 8:07:41 PM EDT
Any particular reason you want to use MOA adjustments?

Do you want a SFP or FFP?

Any preference on reticles? Mildot? Graticule type reticles? Christmas tree style reticles?

Some optics close to your price range, an maybe a little bit more. They are within your price point if you are not opposed to used optics:

Vortex Optics Viper PST 4-16 or 6-24 offered in both Mrad and MOA, FFP and SFP
Bushnell Elite Tactical series
Burris XTR series

Bushnell offers some nice zoom range on the low end and high end. Eg. 3.5-21x or 4.5-30x
Vortex will be the cheapest of all 3 and offers a great lifetime warranty, but there have been some reports of some people needing to utilize that warranty. I personally had to have Vortex cleanout one of my optics which has dust inside, creating an optical artifact. I had no issues with they taking it back and fixing the issue. They make a nice product for the price.
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Originally Posted By stxdeadI:
As a sniper, all shots will be within 200 yards and training wouldn't be more than 1000.


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As a sniper, all shots will be within 200 yards and training wouldn't be more than 1000.

Originally Posted By coyotekillerNE:
Need to know what kind of "duty" you're talking about.



I'd not want to risk mine or other people's lives with a sub-standard optic. You're going to want impeccable tracking along with impeccable glass quality. Most likely you'd been doing more recon than actually shooting someone if we're talking about law enforcement.
You want to make sure you're able to identify an actual threat so glass quality matters. I'd highly suggest contacting Vortex and using their LEO discount on a Gen II Razor. Yes, it's above your budget, but you owe it to the citizens you protect to use the right equipment.
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Don't need the wise cracks.
Link Posted: 2/22/2016 11:14:10 PM EDT
Hey brother, what is your budget?

If you're contemplating using this rifle for duty purposes, do not go with Vortex, that much I can say.  I've just seen so many problems with Vortex scopes at this point, that I could not recommend them for anything beyond a target or comp rifle.  Even then, problems, but no lives at stake.  And this is problems with the top tier Vortex's (Gen I's and 2's Razors).
Link Posted: 2/22/2016 11:23:15 PM EDT
You might be waiting a LONG time...
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I'd not want to risk mine or other people's lives with a sub-standard optic. You're going to want impeccable tracking along with impeccable glass quality. Most likely you'd been doing more recon than actually shooting someone if we're talking about law enforcement.
You want to make sure you're able to identify an actual threat so glass quality matters. I'd highly suggest contacting Vortex and using their LEO discount on a Gen II Razor. Yes, it's above your budget, but you owe it to the citizens you protect to use the right equipment.
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Originally Posted By stxdeadI:
As a sniper, all shots will be within 200 yards and training wouldn't be more than 1000.

Originally Posted By coyotekillerNE:
Need to know what kind of "duty" you're talking about.



I'd not want to risk mine or other people's lives with a sub-standard optic. You're going to want impeccable tracking along with impeccable glass quality. Most likely you'd been doing more recon than actually shooting someone if we're talking about law enforcement.
You want to make sure you're able to identify an actual threat so glass quality matters. I'd highly suggest contacting Vortex and using their LEO discount on a Gen II Razor. Yes, it's above your budget, but you owe it to the citizens you protect to use the right equipment.


That's what I have on mine. It's so awesome. Check out my groups on the last couple pages one RPR thread in the presicion rifles section.
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Originally Posted By FALex:
Hey brother, what is your budget?

If you're contemplating using this rifle for duty purposes, do not go with Vortex, that much I can say.  I've just seen so many problems with Vortex scopes at this point, that I could not recommend them for anything beyond a target or comp rifle.  Even then, problems, but no lives at stake.  And this is problems with the top tier Vortex's (Gen I's and 2's Razors).
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Oooooh really. I'd like to hear about these problems. Seriously, first of heard of this. Especially the gen 2 razor. Do tell.
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Hey brother, what is your budget?

If you're contemplating using this rifle for duty purposes, do not go with Vortex, that much I can say.  I've just seen so many problems with Vortex scopes at this point, that I could not recommend them for anything beyond a target or comp rifle.  Even then, problems, but no lives at stake.  And this is problems with the top tier Vortex's (Gen I's and 2's Razors).
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Please elaborate..in detail.
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accidental post
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accidental post again, meant to quote
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Nice.  We have a "sniper" asking what scope he needs
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As a sniper, all shots will be within 200 yards and training wouldn't be more than 1000.

Originally Posted By coyotekillerNE:
Need to know what kind of "duty" you're talking about.



Nice.  We have a "sniper" asking what scope he needs


Thx for the helpful post man, Im new to this field of shooting. Been shooting shotguns competitively most of my adult life. I have about 2 years around the AR platform and zero experience with precision rifles. This is why I ask for help from those more experienced.
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Originally Posted By FALex:
Hey brother, what is your budget?

If you're contemplating using this rifle for duty purposes, do not go with Vortex, that much I can say.  I've just seen so many problems with Vortex scopes at this point, that I could not recommend them for anything beyond a target or comp rifle.  Even then, problems, but no lives at stake.  And this is problems with the top tier Vortex's (Gen I's and 2's Razors).
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budget is about 1k
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You might be waiting a LONG time...
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waiting a long time for what?
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waiting a long time for what?
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Originally Posted By 10mm_:

You might be waiting a LONG time...




waiting a long time for what?
The rifle.  Lots of people have had them on order for months.  Ruger is having a hard time keeping up.  I looked forever and had one on order and finally found one at a gun show for a price I was willing to pay.  I hope you get it I was just warning in case you weren't aware how rare they are right now.

 
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budget is about 1k
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Originally Posted By FALex:
Hey brother, what is your budget?

If you're contemplating using this rifle for duty purposes, do not go with Vortex, that much I can say.  I've just seen so many problems with Vortex scopes at this point, that I could not recommend them for anything beyond a target or comp rifle.  Even then, problems, but no lives at stake.  And this is problems with the top tier Vortex's (Gen I's and 2's Razors).



budget is about 1k


I think you need to rethink the whole "sniper" thing. You can't just "be" a sniper. It takes thousands of dollars worth of equipment, training, and experience. You need other observation devices, range finder, kestrel, bi pods, bags, night vision, so on and so forth. Competitive shotgun shooting has virtually zero correlation with long range precision shooting.
Get the rifle,  get a fixed 10x super sniper on the low end, a Burris XTRII on the high end of your budget and shoot and enjoy your rifle. Once you start shooting and learning, the whole "sniper" thing will become clearer to you; and you'll probably look back on this thread and laugh.
Don't be offended, we all have to start from somewhere.
Full disclaimer; not a sniper, nor have been trained as one. Just a semi- competitive long range precision shooter.
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Originally Posted By SilentDeath12886:
Any particular reason you want to use MOA adjustments?

Do you want a SFP or FFP? FFP

Any preference on reticles? Mildot? Graticule type reticles? Christmas tree style reticles? MOA adjustments and a clean reticle without too much clutter. My favorite out of all the Vortex reticles is the EBR 1 so far

Some optics close to your price range, an maybe a little bit more. They are within your price point if you are not opposed to used optics:

Vortex Optics Viper PST 4-16 or 6-24 offered in both Mrad and MOA, FFP and SFP
Bushnell Elite Tactical series
Burris XTR series

Bushnell offers some nice zoom range on the low end and high end. Eg. 3.5-21x or 4.5-30x
Vortex will be the cheapest of all 3 and offers a great lifetime warranty, but there have been some reports of some people needing to utilize that warranty. I personally had to have Vortex cleanout one of my optics which has dust inside, creating an optical artifact. I had no issues with they taking it back and fixing the issue. They make a nice product for the price.
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The rifle.  Lots of people have had them on order for months.  Ruger is having a hard time keeping up.  I looked forever and had one on order and finally found one at a gun show for a price I was willing to pay.  I hope you get it I was just warning in case you weren't aware how rare they are right now.  
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Originally Posted By stxdeadI:
Originally Posted By 10mm_:
You might be waiting a LONG time...


waiting a long time for what?
The rifle.  Lots of people have had them on order for months.  Ruger is having a hard time keeping up.  I looked forever and had one on order and finally found one at a gun show for a price I was willing to pay.  I hope you get it I was just warning in case you weren't aware how rare they are right now.  


Ya, thats fine. I have mine on order from a pretty well respected distributor. I am in no rush though and would actually prefer it take a couple months to get in ha. I have a hunting trip to south africa in June that im paying the rest off of.
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I think you need to rethink the whole "sniper" thing. You can't just "be" a sniper. It takes thousands of dollars worth of equipment, training, and experience. You need other observation devices, range finder, kestrel, bi pods, bags, night vision, so on and so forth. Competitive shotgun shooting has virtually zero correlation with long range precision shooting.
Get the rifle,  get a fixed 10x super sniper on the low end, a Burris XTRII on the high end of your budget and shoot and enjoy your rifle. Once you start shooting and learning, the whole "sniper" thing will become clearer to you; and you'll probably look back on this thread and laugh.
Don't be offended, we all have to start from somewhere.
Full disclaimer; not a sniper, nor have been trained as one. Just a semi- competitive long range precision shooter.
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Originally Posted By stxdeadI:
Originally Posted By FALex:
Hey brother, what is your budget?

If you're contemplating using this rifle for duty purposes, do not go with Vortex, that much I can say.  I've just seen so many problems with Vortex scopes at this point, that I could not recommend them for anything beyond a target or comp rifle.  Even then, problems, but no lives at stake.  And this is problems with the top tier Vortex's (Gen I's and 2's Razors).



budget is about 1k


I think you need to rethink the whole "sniper" thing. You can't just "be" a sniper. It takes thousands of dollars worth of equipment, training, and experience. You need other observation devices, range finder, kestrel, bi pods, bags, night vision, so on and so forth. Competitive shotgun shooting has virtually zero correlation with long range precision shooting.
Get the rifle,  get a fixed 10x super sniper on the low end, a Burris XTRII on the high end of your budget and shoot and enjoy your rifle. Once you start shooting and learning, the whole "sniper" thing will become clearer to you; and you'll probably look back on this thread and laugh.
Don't be offended, we all have to start from somewhere.
Full disclaimer; not a sniper, nor have been trained as one. Just a semi- competitive long range precision shooter.


Like I mentioned several times before, this is primarily a hunting and fun gun with the possibility of using it for more serious work in the future
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Originally Posted By coyotekillerNE:


I think you need to rethink the whole "sniper" thing. You can't just "be" a sniper. It takes thousands of dollars worth of equipment, training, and experience. You need other observation devices, range finder, kestrel, bi pods, bags, night vision, so on and so forth. Competitive shotgun shooting has virtually zero correlation with long range precision shooting.
Get the rifle,  get a fixed 10x super sniper on the low end, a Burris XTRII on the high end of your budget and shoot and enjoy your rifle. Once you start shooting and learning, the whole "sniper" thing will become clearer to you; and you'll probably look back on this thread and laugh.
Don't be offended, we all have to start from somewhere.
Full disclaimer; not a sniper, nor have been trained as one. Just a semi- competitive long range precision shooter.
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Originally Posted By stxdeadI:
Originally Posted By FALex:
Hey brother, what is your budget?

If you're contemplating using this rifle for duty purposes, do not go with Vortex, that much I can say.  I've just seen so many problems with Vortex scopes at this point, that I could not recommend them for anything beyond a target or comp rifle.  Even then, problems, but no lives at stake.  And this is problems with the top tier Vortex's (Gen I's and 2's Razors).



budget is about 1k


I think you need to rethink the whole "sniper" thing. You can't just "be" a sniper. It takes thousands of dollars worth of equipment, training, and experience. You need other observation devices, range finder, kestrel, bi pods, bags, night vision, so on and so forth. Competitive shotgun shooting has virtually zero correlation with long range precision shooting.
Get the rifle,  get a fixed 10x super sniper on the low end, a Burris XTRII on the high end of your budget and shoot and enjoy your rifle. Once you start shooting and learning, the whole "sniper" thing will become clearer to you; and you'll probably look back on this thread and laugh.
Don't be offended, we all have to start from somewhere.
Full disclaimer; not a sniper, nor have been trained as one. Just a semi- competitive long range precision shooter.


Police "snipers" are way different than military snipers.  The training course here is one week.  Ours don't really like to be called "snipers", they lack any sort of field craft training.  They prefer "sharpshooter".  They qualify at 100 yards and usually set up within 50 yards of a target, they would have to really try to setup  a shot much farther than 100 yards.  They don't have range finders, Kestrels (don't really need one inside 100 yards), or any way to attach NV to their rifles.  His department may have some of that equipment.

If you want illumination for under $1000, you're best bet is probably going to be something in the Vortex PST line.  You can get a Bushnell Elite DMR 3.5-21x for about $1000, but no illumination.
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Police "snipers" are way different than military snipers.  The training course here is one week.  Ours don't really like to be called "snipers", they lack any sort of field craft training.  They prefer "sharpshooter".  They qualify at 100 yards and usually set up within 50 yards of a target, they would have to really try to setup  a shot much farther than 100 yards.  They don't have range finders, Kestrels (don't really need one inside 100 yards), or any way to attach NV to their rifles.  His department may have some of that equipment.

If you want illumination for under $1000, you're best bet is probably going to be something in the Vortex PST line.  You can get a Bushnell Elite DMR 3.5-21x for about $1000, but no illumination.
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Originally Posted By coyotekillerNE:
Originally Posted By stxdeadI:
Originally Posted By FALex:
Hey brother, what is your budget?

If you're contemplating using this rifle for duty purposes, do not go with Vortex, that much I can say.  I've just seen so many problems with Vortex scopes at this point, that I could not recommend them for anything beyond a target or comp rifle.  Even then, problems, but no lives at stake.  And this is problems with the top tier Vortex's (Gen I's and 2's Razors).



budget is about 1k


I think you need to rethink the whole "sniper" thing. You can't just "be" a sniper. It takes thousands of dollars worth of equipment, training, and experience. You need other observation devices, range finder, kestrel, bi pods, bags, night vision, so on and so forth. Competitive shotgun shooting has virtually zero correlation with long range precision shooting.
Get the rifle,  get a fixed 10x super sniper on the low end, a Burris XTRII on the high end of your budget and shoot and enjoy your rifle. Once you start shooting and learning, the whole "sniper" thing will become clearer to you; and you'll probably look back on this thread and laugh.
Don't be offended, we all have to start from somewhere.
Full disclaimer; not a sniper, nor have been trained as one. Just a semi- competitive long range precision shooter.


Police "snipers" are way different than military snipers.  The training course here is one week.  Ours don't really like to be called "snipers", they lack any sort of field craft training.  They prefer "sharpshooter".  They qualify at 100 yards and usually set up within 50 yards of a target, they would have to really try to setup  a shot much farther than 100 yards.  They don't have range finders, Kestrels (don't really need one inside 100 yards), or any way to attach NV to their rifles.  His department may have some of that equipment.

If you want illumination for under $1000, you're best bet is probably going to be something in the Vortex PST line.  You can get a Bushnell Elite DMR 3.5-21x for about $1000, but no illumination.


I disagree with you. Why wouldn't they equip themselves for the task at hand? There will be further shoots than 100 yards as an LE sniper, but more importantly is observation. Why wouldn't a sharpshooter, sniper, whatever want equipped with necessary equipment? They don't need night vision because crime only happens in the day?
Don't try to confuse others on their needs just because your department does a sub-par job with their sniper/sharpshooter program. I mean no rangefinders!? Seriously?
Again, any special unit in LE that is formed under the "SWAT" term, should be formed with the mindset of using special weapons and tactics to save lives. Would you want someone taking a shot that has to save your life without the proper gear? If I'm a hostage, or a pinned down LEO, or whatever, I want the sniper to have every tool he needs to end the situation as quickly and safely as possible. Same goes for someone holding a cell phone instead of a gun or whatever; your sniper needs to be able to ID and convey that info. Good glass is a requirement.
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lee harvey oswald seemed to do a prety good job with out a range finder and kestrel . at what point would an leo need to make a 200-300 yd shot ? not being a smartass just curious .
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A good scope for a law enforcement "sharpshooter" might be a fixed 6x or 10x  scope with fine duplex type reticle and capped turrets as shots will be 200 yards or less and bullet drop is not a factor.

If possible longer shots are needed, then Leupold has a 10x fixed Mark 4 with capped turrets but the milrad based TMR reticle.
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Budgets are not unlimited.  As a taxpayer, I would be irate if I found out our sharpshooters each had $10,000+ in equipment.

You probably don't need 20x on the high end for work.  In fact, something like a 2.5-10x might be ideal.  I would want illuminated reticle.

However, sounds like this is more for personal use for now, and you are wanting to get into LR shooting.  Some people use 10x scopes out to 1,000 yards.  I like high magnification.  I would decide what you want for the LR shooting hobby and just start with that.
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A full value 20 mph wind would cause about 6-14 inches worth of wind drift from 200-300 yards respectively from a .308 168 grain TAP. Just food for thought for you. Draw your own conclusions.
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Budgets are not unlimited.  As a taxpayer, I would be irate if I found out our sharpshooters each had $10,000+ in equipment.

You probably don't need 20x on the high end for work.  In fact, something like a 2.5-10x might be ideal.  I would want illuminated reticle.

However, sounds like this is more for personal use for now, and you are wanting to get into LR shooting.  Some people use 10x scopes out to 1,000 yards.  I like high magnification.  I would decide what you want for the LR shooting hobby and just start with that.
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Go back to GD then and bitch about LE budgets. You're obviously not aware of what it costs just to put a uniformed officer on the street patrolling.
I'd rather agencies spend $10k on a sniper program that's professional and effective, rather than millions in lawsuits for your dream sharpshooters to go out there with his turdy aught six.
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A good scope for a law enforcement "sharpshooter" might be a fixed 6x or 10x  scope with fine duplex type reticle and capped turrets as shots will be 200 yards or less and bullet drop is not a factor.

If possible longer shots are needed, then Leupold has a 10x fixed Mark 4 with capped turrets but the milrad based TMR reticle.
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I really don't understand why you feel that limiting yourself with aancient technology is a good thing. Run some numbers in a ballistics calculator. Again, wind drift and bullet drop and angle are all definitely relevant; especially when trying to make a CNS i.e. head shot.
Leupold Mark 4s are way down on my list of preferred optics anymore.
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If you're gonna use it on duty, I'd recommend the Vortex Razor HD II 3-18x50.

ETA: I feel that that locking turrets and variable power is important for that role.
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Thx for the helpful post man, Im new to this field of shooting. Been shooting shotguns competitively most of my adult life. I have about 2 years around the AR platform and zero experience with precision rifles. This is why I ask for help from those more experienced.
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As a sniper, all shots will be within 200 yards and training wouldn't be more than 1000.

Originally Posted By coyotekillerNE:
Need to know what kind of "duty" you're talking about.



Nice.  We have a "sniper" asking what scope he needs


Thx for the helpful post man, Im new to this field of shooting. Been shooting shotguns competitively most of my adult life. I have about 2 years around the AR platform and zero experience with precision rifles. This is why I ask for help from those more experienced.


So are you buying this for your work as a law enforcement officer, or not?  Very confusing whether you are saying if you get paid to do this and will be protecting the public, or are just implying that you might need to shoot someone at 100-200 yds sometime in the future.
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Originally Posted By stxdeadI:
I just put a Ruger RPR in .308 on order and shouldn't be too long I hope. I am now concerned with which scope to equip it with. I will be using it for hunting and fun shooting for now but will also use it for duty if that opportunity presents itself in the future.

I am looking for zoom from around 3-4x to 20x if possible. I am looking for MOA adjustment system as well as an illuminated reticle. My budget is up to 1k and if I am missing any details on this topic please request them and Ill reply with as much info as I can provide.
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Having spent 12 years doing what you may need this rifle for, I'll offer some advice.

You're about where you want to be as far as magnification.  I ran a USO 3.2-17X for years and it worked very well.  Your primary role will be observing and relaying information, a fixed 10x doesn't work very well.  The additional magnification will be welcome at times, even when you're 60 yards out.  I rarely dialed down below 10x so I wouldn't put a huge priority on the low end.

If you're more comfortable with MOA stick with it.  I used it (and still do) and it works fine.  

Laying behind a piece of glass for hours on end will take its toll.  This is where the quality of the glass really makes a difference.  If you can wait, save more money and spend as much as you can afford to get good quality.  I just sold a Vortex Razor Gen II 3-18x and the glass was excellent.  They're heavy but weight was never a factor on the job, I found a way to take up a supported position every single time.

I just ordered a Nightforce SHV 4-14x50 F1 today from Mile High Shooting Accessories which will be here Friday.  I can let you know what I think when it gets here but it's got some nice features for the money and if the glass is near where the NXS scopes I've owned were it will be a good option, particularly with the discount NF offers for LE.
Link Posted: 2/24/2016 10:38:46 PM EDT
Has this tech forum turned into GD too??

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