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Posted: 6/23/2018 7:18:26 PM EDT
[#1]
Well this thread just convinced me to do a 12" SBR Grendel build
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Posted: 6/24/2018 5:38:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Pavelow16478]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
If I was doing the pistol build over again, I would use the LaRue Stealth Upper/Handguard combo with 10.5" handguard. https://static.larue.com/media/cache/8c/3d/8c3d9ef360ec5b73dfbb9d754af9ab17.jpg That wasn't available when I started this pistol build early last year, or at least I didn't know about it. Just order that exact upper for my build just in MLOK Also on the way:
Geissele Super Charging Handle in sand JP Bolt PA 1-8X ACSS-GRIFFIN-MIL in Wolf Grey Vortex cantilever mount Waiting to for the Faxon 12" gunner to come back in stock The upper will probably get an Energetic Armament Vox once their released This thread cost me some money 
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Posted: 6/24/2018 8:45:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478:
@LRRPF52 Just order that exact upper for my build Also on the way:
Geissele Super Charging Handle in sand JP Bolt PA 1-8X ACSS-GRIFFIN-MIL in Wolf Grey Vortex cantilever mount Waiting to for the Faxon 12" gunner to come back in stock The upper will probably get an Energetic Armament Vox once their released This thread cost me some money |
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Posted: 6/24/2018 8:54:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VASCAR2: I sent you a PM Pavelow |
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Posted: 7/14/2018 3:31:13 PM EDT
[#5]
 Finally got my can out of jail yesterday. 10 months wait for a little gun muffler. NFA needs to go away. |
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Posted: 7/14/2018 5:44:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Blaster7R]
[#6]
Ok so if a man wanted to build a SBR 6.5 G upper.... what is the barrel of choice ?
The Flaxon 12inch ? |
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Posted: 7/14/2018 11:44:34 PM EDT
[#7]
What is typical bolt life? That's what kept me away from 6.5, 6.8, and 7.62x39 AR's. I do want a .300blackout, or 5.
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Posted: 7/15/2018 5:53:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beatsAstick:
What is typical bolt life? That's what kept me away from 6.5, 6.8, and 7.62x39 AR's. I do want a .300blackout, or 5. |
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Posted: 7/15/2018 10:26:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blaster7R:
Ok so if a man wanted to build a SBR 6.5 G upper.... what is the barrel of choice ? The Flaxon 12inch ? AA has 11" barrels ready to go. LaRue has SUURG complete uppers meant to be sleeved over with a specific suppressor for that upper. Precision Firearms will make any length you want, from 7" on out, with Criterion, Bartlein, Krieger. Ballistic Advantage has Hanson 12.5". Odin Works has 12" with tunable gas block included. I'm already looking at another short barrel for my next pistol build. I'm thinking shorter even. A pistol Grendel is really an omni-role blaster, capable of HD, hunting medium game, long range (at least to 800 with solid impacts on steel that can be seen/heard), car gun. |
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Posted: 7/15/2018 10:27:24 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beatsAstick:
What is typical bolt life? That's what kept me away from 6.5, 6.8, and 7.62x39 AR's. I do want a .300blackout, or 5. I'll let you know when I break something. So far, nothing. I've only broken 5.56 bolts once I went over 10k rounds in high volume, compressed schedules. |
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Posted: 7/16/2018 10:56:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexasTerror: I couldn’t tell you the life of a Grendel bolt as my 16” only has maybe a few hundred rounds of that but you can buy a whole new Toolcraft BCG for under $100. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 12:21:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AJE]
[#12]
Wrong thread
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Posted: 7/17/2018 9:02:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beatsAstick:
I've heard 6.5 eats through barrels as well. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 8:06:55 PM EDT
[#14]
Wish I would have had this option when I was in the Army. Imagine hit probability like an M24 or better, with 50% of the recoil, more compact than an M4, and suppressed, with far superior ballistics to the AK at close range. 28rd magazines too. |
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Posted: 7/18/2018 12:23:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/20180717_171341_zpskpjrveit.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/20180717_171119_zpso3rzxhqd.jpg Wish I would have had this option when I was in the Army. Imagine hit probability like an M24 or better, with 50% of the recoil, more compact than an M4, and suppressed, with far superior ballistics to the AK at close range. 28rd magazines too. |
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Posted: 7/18/2018 12:38:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/20180717_171341_zpskpjrveit.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/20180717_171119_zpso3rzxhqd.jpg Wish I would have had this option when I was in the Army. Imagine hit probability like an M24 or better, with 50% of the recoil, more compact than an M4, and suppressed, with far superior ballistics to the AK at close range. 28rd magazines too. |
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Posted: 7/18/2018 3:27:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSgt82-02:
What are you thinking, Big Army won't do what makes sense (cents too). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSgt82-02:
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/20180717_171341_zpskpjrveit.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/20180717_171119_zpso3rzxhqd.jpg Wish I would have had this option when I was in the Army. Imagine hit probability like an M24 or better, with 50% of the recoil, more compact than an M4, and suppressed, with far superior ballistics to the AK at close range. 28rd magazines too. It would be great to have in the Sniping community with our own special request ammo stream already as a norm. |
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Posted: 7/18/2018 3:28:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blaster7R:
I was tempted buy the LaRue SURG but thought it would be pretty heavy.. I like the looks of your light weight there ! I wanted to run a Titanium can.. like the Q Trash Panda but wanted a barrel still very accurate... maybe my LaRue 6.5 G has spoiled me.. that thing will shoot 1/3 MOA lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blaster7R:
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/20180717_171341_zpskpjrveit.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/20180717_171119_zpso3rzxhqd.jpg Wish I would have had this option when I was in the Army. Imagine hit probability like an M24 or better, with 50% of the recoil, more compact than an M4, and suppressed, with far superior ballistics to the AK at close range. 28rd magazines too. My barrel on this is pretty heavy. The shank is full diameter for about 4 times the length it really needs to be. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 10:54:08 AM EDT
[#19]
Anyone play with the ~100gr bullets? I feel like they make a lot of since under 600 yards. Just wondering between the 108 scenars, 107 TMK or 100gr ELD which I should try first
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Posted: 7/23/2018 2:12:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brosome:
Anyone play with the ~100gr bullets? I feel like they make a lot of since under 600 yards. Just wondering between the 108 scenars, 107 TMK or 100gr ELD which I should try first I've done load development with 107gr SMK, which is a great 100gr-class TGT bullet, low recoil, good BC, good muzzle velocity. I've also done 100gr Nosler Ballistic Tip for a lighter hunting bullet. 108gr Scenar is the same cup, but different core weight as the 123gr Scenar, so they look the same from the outside. Another really good TGT bullet line is the Scenar-L. I have a bunch of 107gr SMKs, which I will probably mass-produce with 8208 XBR in the near future for the pistol and my 17.6" Lilja, and my 18" LaRue Stealth. I also like the 95gr Lehigh Controlled Chaos. Feels like shooting a 10/22. |
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Posted: 7/24/2018 3:51:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Yes, of course. I've done load development with 107gr SMK, which is a great 100gr-class TGT bullet, low recoil, good BC, good muzzle velocity. I've also done 100gr Nosler Ballistic Tip for a lighter hunting bullet. 108gr Scenar is the same cup, but different core weight as the 123gr Scenar, so they look the same from the outside. Another really good TGT bullet line is the Scenar-L. I have a bunch of 107gr SMKs, which I will probably mass-produce with 8208 XBR in the near future for the pistol and my 17.6" Lilja, and my 18" LaRue Stealth. I also like the 95gr Lehigh Controlled Chaos. Feels like shooting a 10/22. |
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Posted: 7/24/2018 5:30:06 PM EDT
[#22]
There's another new lead-free option as well from G9, the 103gr Match Grade Competition Series, with .554 G1, .274 G7 BCs.
Buddy of mine just loaded some up with an initial pressure ladder of 8208XBR through his 20" Proof barrel, and he's getting ragged holes at 100yds right out of the gate. Thin about this bullet at 2700fps or better, and you will have very fast trajectory, low recoil, and minimal wind drift. 
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Posted: 7/24/2018 7:01:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
There's another new lead-free option as well from G9, the 103gr Match Grade Competition Series, with .554 G1, .274 G7 BCs. Buddy of mine just loaded some up with an initial pressure ladder of 8208XBR through his 20" Proof barrel, and he's getting ragged holes at 100yds right out of the gate. Thin about this bullet at 2700fps or better, and you will have very fast trajectory, low recoil, and minimal wind drift. http://www.g9bullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Competition-g9_264_103gr_600.jpg |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 10:58:46 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maxxmojo:
When people talk about that they're referring to Creedmoor, not Grendel. The Grendel barrels should last a long time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maxxmojo:
Originally Posted By beatsAstick:
I've heard 6.5 eats through barrels as well. |
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Posted: 7/27/2018 5:05:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LRRPF52]
[#25]
Just got back from the range with some chrono data unsuppressed and suppressed.
Unsuppressed with the Bootleg gas system fully open, it wouldn't fully cycle 90gr TNT Federal American Eagle factory load. Suppressed, it has plenty of gas for the 90gr TNT, enough so that I turned the gas down 3 positions. Ejection was at 4 o'clock unsuppressed and suppressed with the final gas setting, very well-behaved, a joy to shoot. I didn't notice any difference practically between shooting this suppressed and longer-barreled rifles, as shooter's ear suppressed was very pleasant. I don't ever want to shoot it without the can, not that it was crazy unsuppressed. It's not bad at all unsuppressed, don't notice the difference between it and 16". My younger kids' first shots from center-fire will be suppressed. 12" Unsuppressed 90gr TNT Federal AE, 91°F: 2702 2681 FTFeed 2670 2642 FTFeed 2654 FTLock on last round Avg: 2670fps Suppressed 90gr TNT 2675 2658 2660 2671 2685 2723 2700 2690 2682 Avg: 2683fps 120gr American Eagle Suppressed, 12" Grendel 2360 2411 2384 2375 2398 2374 2397 2387 2349 2384 2406 Avg: 2384 fps |
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Posted: 7/28/2018 9:44:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Just got back from the range with some chrono data unsuppressed and suppressed. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/65%20Grendel%20Reloading/20180727_113305_zpsyjkthkn0.jpg Unsuppressed with the Bootleg gas system fully open, it wouldn't fully cycle 90gr TNT Federal American Eagle factory load. Suppressed, it has plenty of gas for the 90gr TNT, enough so that I turned the gas down 3 positions. Ejection was at 4 o'clock unsuppressed and suppressed with the final gas setting, very well-behaved, a joy to shoot. I didn't notice any difference practically between shooting this suppressed and longer-barreled rifles, as shooter's ear suppressed was very pleasant. I don't ever want to shoot it without the can, not that it was crazy unsuppressed. It's not bad at all unsuppressed, don't notice the difference between it and 16". My younger kids' first shots from center-fire will be suppressed. 12" Unsuppressed 90gr TNT Federal AE, 91°F: 2702 2681 FTFeed 2670 2642 FTFeed 2654 FTLock on last round Avg: 2670fps Suppressed 90gr TNT 2675 2658 2660 2671 2685 2723 2700 2690 2682 Avg: 2683fps 120gr American Eagle Suppressed, 12" Grendel 2360 2411 2384 2375 2398 2374 2397 2387 2349 2384 2406 Avg: 2384 fps |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 4:22:28 PM EDT
[#27]
Yeah, I am using the more powerful Maxim Defense short RET action spring, which is very stout.
It provides a lot of return-to-battery stroke for positive feeding of the action. Out of the gate, it was 100% with Hornady American Gunner 123gr unsuppressed. My main interest in the Federal 90gr TNT American Eagle load is HD and fun closer range TGT practice for new shooters. In both of those scenarios, it will be suppressed. For my hand loads, I'll most likely being using CFE223 under 95gr VMAX or 95gr Controlled Chaos for HD, and that powder will hit the gas port with more pressure and volume based on everything I've experienced with it over the years. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 6:03:40 PM EDT
[#28]
@LRRPF52 I may have missed it, but what brand barrel is your 12.5"?
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Posted: 7/31/2018 12:27:30 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington:
@LRRPF52 I may have missed it, but what brand barrel is your 12.5"? It has 5REE (Easy Engraving) rifling, 1/8 twist. Some poor soul backed out of one of the barrels and I just called it when it was announced this weekend. I'll do another pistol build on my SB Tactical pistol brace. My kids are going to want to shoot too. Here's the accuracy I got with the 12" first time putting it on paper. Everything was steel previously. The LaRue MBT-2S trigger really makes it easy to shoot consistently with. Love it: 
 The ThunderBeast Ultra 5 Titanium suppressor is very pleasant at shooter's ear. I've been around them a lot at matches and events over the years, and really like how they sound, as well as how light they are. Mine was advertised as a 7.6 ounce can, but it's really 7.4 ounces on my scale. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 8:46:08 PM EDT
[#30]
Ouch!
$0.79/pill |
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Posted: 8/3/2018 7:41:16 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Et2ss:
Ouch! $0.79/pill Hornady ELD-M Black 6.5 Grendel can be found for $13.96/box of 20. I got the Hornady 200rd cans from Sportsman's for less than the normal $139.99 on Black Friday. Ended up being way less. 6.5 Grendel Ammoseek |
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Posted: 8/3/2018 9:55:49 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Et2ss:
Ouch! $0.79/pill |
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Posted: 8/4/2018 10:08:44 PM EDT
[#33]
if there even a "economy" brass cased load to blast with ? never been much of a fan of steel cased ammo.... and Wolf quit making Wolf gold
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Posted: 8/4/2018 11:35:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blaster7R:
if there even a "economy" brass cased load to blast with ? never been much of a fan of steel cased ammo.... and Wolf quit making Wolf gold |
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Posted: 8/5/2018 12:06:23 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maxxmojo:
I think the American Gunner loading available at Sportsmans Warehouse is probably the closest you'll find. It's priced comparable to what the old PPU/Wolf Gold was, plus you get Hornady brass out of it. It's been surprisingly accurate out of my 18" Lilja barreled upper. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maxxmojo:
Originally Posted By Blaster7R:
if there even a "economy" brass cased load to blast with ? never been much of a fan of steel cased ammo.... and Wolf quit making Wolf gold 
Well if you can't afford to feed the Grendel maybe you need to look at something else. Hornady black box 123 gr ELDM seems to work fine and is not terrible priced but accurate enough to still brag about from time to time. |
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Posted: 8/6/2018 9:29:07 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD:
https://i.imgur.com/PdbHuzQ.jpg Well if you can't afford to feed the Grendel maybe you need to look at something else. Hornady black box 123 gr ELDM seems to work fine and is not terrible priced but accurate enough to still brag about from time to time. |
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Posted: 8/6/2018 10:26:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington:
We need to have a talk about that duct tape on your muzzle brake. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington:
Originally Posted By sparkyD:
https://i.imgur.com/PdbHuzQ.jpg Well if you can't afford to feed the Grendel maybe you need to look at something else. Hornady black box 123 gr ELDM seems to work fine and is not terrible priced but accurate enough to still brag about from time to time.
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Posted: 8/7/2018 1:28:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: sparkyD]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington:
We need to have a talk about that duct tape on your muzzle brake. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington:
Originally Posted By sparkyD:
https://i.imgur.com/PdbHuzQ.jpg Well if you can't afford to feed the Grendel maybe you need to look at something else. Hornady black box 123 gr ELDM seems to work fine and is not terrible priced but accurate enough to still brag about from time to time.
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Posted: 8/11/2018 1:00:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Blaster7R]
[#39]
12inch PSA kit on with a pretty good price
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-12-carbine-length-6-5-grendel-1-8-stainless-steel-10-lightweight-m-lok-moe-ept-sba3-pistol-kit-5165449010.html?trk_msg=9C5KL7CCNGT4J9AIQ2TVIBR6OG&trk_contact=1UH2O4FUM20PNLF00TBV7VP52K&trk_sid=EUC3SJ0J6QCP6O4TM1DCM9KSO0&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fpalmettostatearmory.com%2fpsa-12-carbine-length-6-5-grendel-1-8-stainless-steel-10-lightweight-m-lok-moe-ept-sba3-pistol-kit-5165449010.html&utm_campaign=Daily+Deal+Email&utm_content=5%3a00+pm+email are these barrels any good? lol |
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Posted: 8/11/2018 8:40:43 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blaster7R:
12inch PSA kit on with a pretty good price https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-12-carbine-length-6-5-grendel-1-8-stainless-steel-10-lightweight-m-lok-moe-ept-sba3-pistol-kit-5165449010.html?trk_msg=9C5KL7CCNGT4J9AIQ2TVIBR6OG&trk_contact=1UH2O4FUM20PNLF00TBV7VP52K&trk_sid=EUC3SJ0J6QCP6O4TM1DCM9KSO0&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fpalmettostatearmory.com%2fpsa-12-carbine-length-6-5-grendel-1-8-stainless-steel-10-lightweight-m-lok-moe-ept-sba3-pistol-kit-5165449010.html&utm_campaign=Daily+Deal+Email&utm_content=5%3a00+pm+email are these barrels any good? lol
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Posted: 8/11/2018 9:49:31 AM EDT
[#41]
PSA barrels OK?
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Posted: 8/11/2018 2:35:02 PM EDT
[#42]
The PSA 6.5 Grendel has only been on the market a few weeks but first reports are very positive. If I wanted a 6.5 Grendel I would consider a barrel or upper from PSA.
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Posted: 8/14/2018 10:25:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Et2ss]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Which ammo? Hornady ELD-M Black 6.5 Grendel can be found for $13.96/box of 20. I got the Hornady 200rd cans from Sportsman's for less than the normal $139.99 on Black Friday. Ended up being way less. 6.5 Grendel Ammoseek I've got 3 boxes of the American Gunner, and six or so boxes of the 123gr A-Max, and a box or two of the 'Black' (and a couple of 500 rd. cases of Wolf) I've got a good start on brass, now I need to get the dies |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 5:09:12 PM EDT
[#44]
My build so far
 Attached FileAero upper BA barrel and gas block Toolcraft bolt BCM charging handle SS gas tube Mk 8 Aero FA Anderson dust cover |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 7:32:51 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redfish86:
My build so far https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/136311/IMG_4706-644156.JPG Aero upper BA barrel and gas block Toolcraft bolt BCM charging handle SS gas tube Mk 8 Aero FA Anderson dust cover 
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Posted: 8/19/2018 7:08:11 PM EDT
[#46]
I’m thinking about hitting up PSA for their 12” pistol upper. Not sure it’ll be a real tight long range shooter, but It should be a fun blaster and decent hunting pistol.
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Posted: 8/19/2018 7:08:46 PM EDT
[#47]
I’m thinking about hitting up PSA for their 12” pistol upper. Not sure it’ll be a real tight long range shooter, but It should be a fun blaster and decent hunting pistol.
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Posted: 8/20/2018 10:46:04 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
I’m thinking about hitting up PSA for their 12” pistol upper. Not sure it’ll be a real tight long range shooter, but It should be a fun blaster and decent hunting pistol. |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 6:34:17 PM EDT
[#49]
Been awhile since I shot my LaRue so I took it out today. I had almost forgot how much fun it is to shoot this thing.
Also a couple of chrono results. 123 gr Nosler CC, 27.6 gr 8208 XBR, Tula SRM primer in Hornady case = 2468 fps Hornady Black 123 gr ELD factory ammo = 2470 fps  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/1/2018 9:03:03 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty:
Disclaimer: I have no firsthand experience with the PSA 6.5G. But I read a lot of very good things about their .308 and 6.5C uppers, as in many find they shoot way better than they have any business shooting. I’m very anxious for reports of their 6.5G to start trickling in. I’m happy with the 12.5 I’ve thrown together, but if the PSA shoots as good as I think it may, I may have gone that route if I were doing it over again. I've stripped the other down for some accuracy enhancing work (squaring receiver face, bedding extension, crowning if necessary) and bore scoping before firing, but that's a pretty solid group for a bipod on an inexpensive upper. 
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