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Posted: 8/11/2007 7:03:48 AM EST
thinking maybe a 7mm-08, 30-30, or 20 ga w/ slugs....any suggestions or pix of your kids rifles?
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 7:06:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/11/2007 7:07:45 AM EST by buckfever34]
I would go with a Remington Model 7 in either 7mm-08 or .243.

www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_seven/model_seven_CDL.asp
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 7:39:03 AM EST
Go with either a 30-30 marlin or winchester. They are both light and handy for a youngster and dont kick to much as to scare them away from shooting it and will do all that it is asked to do from a beginner.
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 9:41:41 AM EST
tons of choices out there now for yuts...

my 6 y/o has a NEF handi rifle that is excellent for youths and smaller framed adults. his is a .223 youth lightweight.

alot depends on their level of gun handling. all major manufacturers make youth models now.

the model 7 is primo.. as is the savage and micro hunter by browning. marlin even makes a youth 336.

.243 on up..the 7-08 and 308 along with the 30-30 are great starter loads and reduced recoil loads are out there as well. personally i would pick a 7-08 before a .243.

tough to beat a 30-30 that fits.. for a young hunter. repeat shots if necessary.
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 9:43:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/11/2007 9:45:06 AM EST by JasonC]

Originally Posted By buckfever34:
I would go with a Remington Model 7 in either 7mm-08 or .243.

www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_seven/model_seven_CDL.asp


+1 .243 is an excellent caliber for a youngster. A .243 was my first rifle -other than a BB gun and 10/22.
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 10:41:48 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 10:59:55 AM EST
www.remington.com/products/firearms/youth/model_seven.asp
As he grows, you can order a full size stock from them and sell the youth stock here very quickly.

I like the 260...but I reload.
I have a pair of 7-08s and a pair 0f 260's.
One of each is a varmint weight.
My son will nearly always want the 260.

Good luck,
Pete
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 2:12:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/11/2007 2:17:49 PM EST by DeerStalker]
It would really depend on size of your kid IMO if he/she is to large size they can probably handle a little more. Try to lean toward something that will last them a lifetime most never want to part with their 1st gun. I would suggest sticking to a carbine of some sort as most bolt guns will require a youth model for an 11y/o to handle them and are pretty useless as you get older. Personally I would look toward the Marlin lever guns either in 30/30 or one of the pistol cartridges .357 or .44 mag the latter having little less recoil. Plus side to all three is the ammo is widely available and there are some companies out there making Hot performance loads for them. My first was the SKS carbine I still own today and has been passed along to my son to use since he was about 10. It's a little to the heavy side but OK for big kid and if they can learn to shoot accurately with it they can shoot anything. If stand hunting the weight is never really an issue but then again they were $125 when I got mine don't know that I would make that choice today with the price they are currently
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 2:34:31 PM EST
.243 would be hard to beat. especially in a youth bolt action. 30-30 in a lever action with factory ammo kicks to hard for an 11 year old. I've heard grown men bitch about how hard they kick.
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 2:38:00 PM EST
.243 Encore with a bantam length butt stock. Or, if you're ever going to use the rifle, either 270/30.06 with reduced recoil loads (believe federal and remington both have them for these two calibers, and more.)
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 4:09:50 PM EST
I got my 11 y/o the Remington 700 Youth in .243...

Here is a pic of my son shooting the rifle. It is just the right size for tree stand hunting and I plan on getting myself one to. Definately a rifle he can grow in to and use as an adult.

Link Posted: 8/11/2007 4:13:29 PM EST
6.8 SPC AR with a collapsible stock. I know I know but it's adjustable for length of pull. A good deer round (.270) looks cool and can be adjusted to be a plinking gun (.22LR) to Self Defense to target. Everything that makes an AR a good gun makes it a good Kids gun. You want a single shot just give them one bullet.
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 4:21:13 PM EST
go with any deer-killing caliber, and use the new reduced-recoil loads. worked great for my 10 yr old (grand son) in .270. kills well out to any normal range for white tail.

he is now ready to use standard loads.

HC
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 6:22:21 PM EST
the marlin .44mag would be ideal.
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 6:43:05 PM EST
Remmy 700 in .243.
I'd opt for a stainless model too.
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 6:23:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By txgp17:
Remmy 700 in .243.
I'd opt for a stainless model too.


+1
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 4:20:33 PM EST
My girls are 14 now [twins] but when my oldest of the two was 11 she took her first deer with a marlin 30/30 (my first deer rifle) now she uses a remington 700 in 7mm mag. My girls are big girls. The youger twin likes pistols and uses ruger superblack hawk in 44 mag. both of them have been shooting rifles and pistols from the age of nine both are very good marksmen.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 4:32:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By rebel70754:
Go with either a 30-30 marlin or winchester. They are both light and handy for a youngster and dont kick to much as to scare them away from shooting it and will do all that it is asked to do from a beginner.



they can kick plenty if you choose the wrong shells, stick to 150 grainers and you should be fine, but remember, they ARE light, and they have a narrow stock, so the perceived recoil is more

I shot my first 9and second, and third et cetera) Deer with a Winchester 30-30, but I cna also tell you that at 9 it beat me up some

a 243 is a good rifle for a boy, or even a 44-40, 44 Mag, .357 mag, .45 colt (or other pistol cartridge) levergun by one of the major players right now

I have a Wincehster 94 in .45 Colt and a 92 in 44-40, neither kick at all really, are fine 150-200 Yard rifles, and pack as much Energy at 100 yards as the 30-30

Just somethign to think about
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 4:44:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By biggrizz408:
My girls are 14 now [twins] but when my oldest of the two was 11 she took her first deer with a marlin 30/30 (my first deer rifle) now she uses a remington 700 in 7mm mag. My girls are big girls. The youger twin likes pistols and uses ruger superblack hawk in 44 mag. both of them have been shooting rifles and pistols from the age of nine both are very good marksmen.

Shoot! I have a 7mm Rem Mag and it scares me! I'm 6' and 255 lbs!
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 4:50:24 PM EST
My first deer rifle was a savage model 99 in 300 sav. Grand dad helped me shoot it when I was 8 years old. First one I owned at 10 was a marlin 30-30.

With a small boy I would start at the 243 but the 7-08 would be a little more forgiving when it comes to shot placement.

You may consider a 260 remington also.

No matter what teach shot placement and trigger control. Start with target practice with a 22lr.

Above all make sure he has fun. This is the time when some of the best memories are made.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 5:18:56 PM EST
my girls shoot my 300win mag at 300 yds and keep it in a 2.5 inch group
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 5:32:35 PM EST
Mine at that age was (and still is) a Ruger M77 in .308 Win. I (with my dad's help) loaded reduced cartridges with 150gr. bullets---I was small for my age too. As I recall the velocity was supposed to be around 2300 ft/s. (Cronographs weren't available in the early 70s.) As I got older, the loads went up accordingly. It was scoped with a Weaver K4 (steel tube).
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 6:06:02 PM EST
my first deer rifle was winchester 62...HAHA
talk about no recoil..
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 8:15:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By buckfever34:
I would go with a Remington Model 7 in either 7mm-08 or .243.

www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_seven/model_seven_CDL.asp


+1 I have a model seven in 7mm-08 and love it. Low recoil, lightweight... can barely tell it's on my shoulder. It's probably taken in the neighborhood of 15 to 20 bucks and does, most never take another step and I've never lost one with it.
Link Posted: 8/17/2007 12:09:09 PM EST
.243, .257 roberts, .270, 30-30

all great rounds for young folks. I also shot a 18" .308 with some slightly light handloads when I was a kid and had some success.
Link Posted: 8/17/2007 4:43:43 PM EST
Im a big fan of the 7mm Mauser. My dad bought me a sportserized 1895 when i was 8 and i have used it for deer since. Always dropped them one shot using handloaded 120 grainers. Not much recoil either.

Erick Z
Link Posted: 8/17/2007 4:57:59 PM EST
Another vote for .243.
Link Posted: 8/19/2007 9:54:42 PM EST
Me at age 11 with my rem 700 BDL .308 win



Its all the bullet your ever need for deer size game.

Invisiblesoul
Link Posted: 8/20/2007 5:49:23 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/2/2007 10:35:45 AM EST
Get a 243 or a 270 New England Firearm. Works great and you can teach them to only need one shot to get the job done. With pratice you can reload it just as fast a working the bolt on a bolt action.
Link Posted: 9/5/2007 11:03:44 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
.243, .257 roberts, .270, 30-30


Another vote for the 257 Roberts.
Link Posted: 9/6/2007 12:32:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/6/2007 12:34:13 PM EST by Luckdog]
I would go with a NEF/New England single shot rifle in 22-250 with handloads using 53 grain Barnes X or the newer Barnes design.
Also the 64 grain Winchester bullet works good as does the 70 grain Speer soft point.
Broadside chest shots.

Link Posted: 9/8/2007 10:03:22 PM EST
.270

Really, he's 11. In just two years he'll be 13, and by then he should be able to handle the bigger calibers (30.06 and the like). The .270 will serve him perfectly now, and will serve him perfectly then.

If he's more recoil sensitive than a normal 11 year old, look into the .243, but realize that in a few years he'll probably be wishing he went with something bigger.
Link Posted: 9/9/2007 6:33:09 PM EST
A .260 or 7-08 slinging 120 grain bullets are both light recoiling rounds, yet they whack a deer hard. I'm loading for a friend's new Ruger .260, and it's a fine rifle. I'm more of a Remington Ho, but this is a sweet little rifle and his son will be putting deer on the ground with it soon. (He's only 6 now and he'll use a .223 for a few more years, but the .260 would be fine for an 11 year old and has some heavier bullets available (140 grain), that the .243 doesn't, for later on, as recoil becomes less of a concern. 7-08 is just a bit more of the same with a bit larger bullet selection.
Link Posted: 9/19/2007 5:47:26 AM EST
My son started out with a NEF .223 got him remmy 700 in .270 for this year. Look in managed recoil ammo. managed recoil in .270 has less felt recoil then standard .243 ammo plus you have a nice all around caliber for him to grow into. Remington full size stocks are plentiful so thats another plus. Having said that, looked at a mossberg atr .243 youth rifle the other day and was impressed.
Link Posted: 9/19/2007 6:14:35 AM EST
I heard on another deer hunting site yesterday that Wal Mart had its Remington Model 700's on sale for $250 in another part of NC. I went to the one local to me, and found a youth model 700 in .243 for $250, and the adult .243 for $300.

I would stick with the .243, unless you want to get those reduced recoil loads, which I have no experience with.
Link Posted: 9/20/2007 12:34:57 PM EST
I gave my son, he's 12, his choice of my .35 Rem., .308, and .30-06. He picked the '06. We'll find out Saturday!!!!
Link Posted: 9/21/2007 2:59:19 AM EST
I'll vote for .260 Remington with runners-up being the .243 Win/6mm Rem. and 30/30.

Try the .260 and you'll be very impressed!
Link Posted: 9/21/2007 3:02:16 AM EST
I got a Remington model 7 .243 when I was 12 to hunt with, and this year I'm getting a Remington 770 30-06, and I'll be 16.
Link Posted: 9/22/2007 2:44:39 PM EST
I suggest a medium weight .243 boltgun, preferably with a stock that has an integrated recoil-reducing buttpad.
Link Posted: 9/22/2007 3:49:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By Chizzle:
I heard on another deer hunting site yesterday that Wal Mart had its Remington Model 700's on sale for $250 in another part of NC. I went to the one local to me, and found a youth model 700 in .243 for $250, and the adult .243 for $300.

I would stick with the .243, unless you want to get those reduced recoil loads, which I have no experience with.


Local Wal-Mart in Ocala, Florida has 2 Remington 700's for sale, one in .270 and one in .243... they are $300.00 as well but no youth guns for sale.

They have one Winchester Mod 70 in .223 WSSM for $350.00. $300.00 is a really great buy on the 700's, I'd pu a youth if available....
Link Posted: 9/22/2007 3:58:09 PM EST
Marlin 336 chambered in 30/30 or .35 Rem.

Handy, quality built little lever action carbine that's perfect for a kid. I got mine when i was 12 or 13 and it's still like new 25 years later.
Link Posted: 9/22/2007 4:03:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:
I got my 11 y/o the Remington 700 Youth in .243...

Here is a pic of my son shooting the rifle. It is just the right size for tree stand hunting and I plan on getting myself one to. Definately a rifle he can grow in to and use as an adult.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/Bowhntr6pt/Range1_3-07.jpg


this is it.... THE rifle of choice, I have one in 243 and one in 308, my boy liked the 308 more so it was his..... I think he liked the 308 because it shoots the same round as dads sniper rifle.... he was 10 when he got it.

Pilk
Link Posted: 9/22/2007 4:03:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By JasonC:

Originally Posted By buckfever34:
I would go with a Remington Model 7 in either 7mm-08 or .243.

www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_seven/model_seven_CDL.asp


+1 .243 is an excellent caliber for a youngster. A .243 was my first rifle -other than a BB gun and 10/22.


Another +1 for the Model 7 in .243. That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw the thread title.
Link Posted: 9/26/2007 3:00:11 PM EST
Rem 700 in 7mm mag

Honestly, I've heard good things about the .243 for deer. Any good rifle in a respectable caliber for deer would be fine (IMHO), as long as you take him shooting with it a lot so that he knows how that rifle shoots in and out (more important than what rifle/caliber you choose)
Link Posted: 9/26/2007 3:04:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By DKing:

Originally Posted By biggrizz408:
My girls are 14 now [twins] but when my oldest of the two was 11 she took her first deer with a marlin 30/30 (my first deer rifle) now she uses a remington 700 in 7mm mag. My girls are big girls. The youger twin likes pistols and uses ruger superblack hawk in 44 mag. both of them have been shooting rifles and pistols from the age of nine both are very good marksmen.

Shoot! I have a 7mm Rem Mag and it scares me! I'm 6' and 255 lbs!


7mm mag is a sweet shooting gun. The recoil is sharper/snappier than a 30-06, but it doesn't have the same push as a 30-06. Personally, I prefer this because it was over faster. Kinda like someone with a fast punch but less muscle hitting you, versus the weightlifter who's punches hit like a 10 ton truck that push you all over the place (this is an exaggeration).

7mm mag is a GREAT caliber. Start getting scared when you get into the .300 weatherby mag area. That gun hurts to watch being shot.
Link Posted: 9/27/2007 5:10:26 AM EST
as far as actually the model, that's up to you but i'd say the 243 would prob. be the best for him.. another option would be a 270 with the managed recoil ammo from rem. then you chan just switch ammo later. my .02
Link Posted: 9/27/2007 4:24:20 PM EST
My daughter is 11. She just passed the GA hunter safety course. She's hunting with me in a double ladder this year. Next year she will do the shooting. She hasn't shot much. I just bought her the Rossi Trifecta. It's a youth synthetic combo in .243, 22 and 20g. I can start her off with the 22 then move up to the .243. There is something to be said for starting out on a single shot, shot placement, ease of use... I know it's not the ideal rifle but that platform offers a lot for a new hunter. Sure, a youth model bolt action is a good choice but a three barrel combo for just over $200 is hard to beat for a working man.
Link Posted: 10/6/2007 6:06:14 AM EST
Gotta vote for the lever gun my 10 year old is about to start his quest with a 336 Marlin I bought . 30-30 is a proven deer killer with tons of bullet choices and with low cost ammo so he can get in some range time.
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 2:36:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2007 2:46:43 PM EST by GTSS]
I bought my son a Youth .243 NEF when he was 8. The recoil was to much and he was scared to shoot it. (Plus it shot like shit.)n The same thing happend when I bought him a "youth" NEF 20ga shotgun.

To his day one of the HARDEST recoiling guns I have ever shot was a Savage womans/youth model in .270. That gun honestly kicked harder than any magnum gun I've ever shot. Watch out for guns labeled "woman/youth" they are short stocked, short barreled, light weight guns that fit a woman or kids small frame but depending on caliber will do more harm than good. I have no experience with the newer youth bolt offerings but they look good. If they kick a bit to hard I suppose you could put a brake on the gun.

So far the best investment I've made for a woman/youth gun is a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in .22-250. It shoots well, is light/short, and doesn't recoil hard chambered in .22-250. I don't think they are ideal for deer but they will more than get the job done.

IMO, one of the worst, most discouraging things you can do for a newbie is to overgun them from the get go. It will create bad habits that can be hard to break later on.

.
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 2:42:14 PM EST
.243 is a great cartridge....good pick in my opinion.
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