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Posted: 7/13/2008 7:21:32 PM EST
I need some help picking out my sons first deer rifle.He is 14 years old but he is built kinda small.I was thinking something like a 270, but since I have never owned or shot one I figured I would take advantage of all the knowledge and experience here.I use a 300 win mag myself ,but something that big would beat him up pretty good.Thanks in advance for your help.
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 2:56:43 AM EST
I'd look at a .243 or 7mm08
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 4:29:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/14/2008 4:30:30 AM EST by glocktex]
I cut my teeth on an old bolt action 30-30. With a slip on or mounted extra recoil pad, I would think it would be more than comfortable and plenty powerful.
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 4:55:37 AM EST
Yeah, .30-30 or .243. I think a .270 is pretty stiff for a youngster. I used a .30-06 when I was younger, but I never shot it much and it was a sporterized mauser and heavy. Some of the weight soaked up the recoil. But I far enjoy shooting guns that don't recoil nearly as much. Even now. My cousin has killed tons of deer with a trusty .243 and then he got a bug up his but for a new rifle. He bought a .300 RSAUM Scout Rifle. The remington one. His groups stink even with reloading and he lost a deer with it last year and went back to his .243. I don't know if he's flinching or not, but there's something to be said about flinching and lots of recoil.
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 6:44:37 AM EST
Get him a youth model in .308 and use reduced recoil loads until he is big enough to put a full size stock on it. This gives him a rifle he can use forever. By going with a .30 caliber you can use the same bullets for both your rifles if you reload. The 7mm-08 in a youth sized rifle is also a good choice if you don't care about commonality of bore diameter with your deer rifle.
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 7:29:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/14/2008 7:31:52 AM EST by Bowhntr6pt]
I would highly recommend the Remington 700 Youth in either .243 or .308. If you hand load, you can down load to suit his needs. However, the .243 in factory loads are very mild and should be of no concern.

I would be more than happy to hand load you some .308's if need be.

ETA: At the end of this past season, our local Wal-Mart stores had their 700 Youth models marked down to $325.00, which is an OUTSTANDING price. Check your local Wal-Mart to see if they have one left over.

This is a pic of last years buck and his rifle:

Link Posted: 7/14/2008 7:55:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:
I would highly recommend the Remington 700 Youth in either .243 or .308. If you hand load, you can down load to suit his needs. However, the .243 in factory loads are very mild and should be of no concern.

I would be more than happy to hand load you some .308's if need be.

ETA: At the end of this past season, our local Wal-Mart stores had their 700 Youth models marked down to $325.00, which is an OUTSTANDING price. Check your local Wal-Mart to see if they have one left over.

This is a pic of last years buck and his rifle:

img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/Bowhntr6pt/Hunterbuck07-1.jpg


Heck, a .223 is overkill for those tiny little Florida deer

Congrats to your son!
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 8:00:58 AM EST
I am going to suggest a TC Encore rifle in 243. he will grow out of the youth model rifle and you will need to buy him a new one in a few years. With the encore all you have to do is replace the $50.00 butt stock. Its also a single shot so he will likley take his time and make a better shot. It’s easy to reload and all you have to do it crack the action to see it’s unloaded. Barrels are about $200.00 so you can load down to 223 or upgrade to 300 winmag, 12gauge and black powder.
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 12:15:12 PM EST
This is a very nice rifle in either .243 or 7mm-08
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 12:54:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By SHORTSTACK:
This is a very nice rifle in either .243 or 7mm-08


Savage makes a nice youth rifle as well.
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 3:02:56 PM EST
Steven's Model 200 in 243. You can pick them up on auction arms very cheap. Great shooters!

Then again my dad gave me an old 12 guage shotgun and some 20 year old slugs my first year (12 yrs old).
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 6:07:20 PM EST
I think the .30-30 has less recoil than the .243 But both are pretty mild.
7mm Mauser is a nice round too.
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 7:00:40 PM EST
I started out with a 243. never caught a deer but caught my first moose with it one shot. Low recoil on the 243.
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 7:32:53 PM EST
shot my first deer in 5th grade with a 6mm (788 Remington), It was a great first deer rifle and had a little more power than a 243
Link Posted: 7/14/2008 9:32:33 PM EST
Thanks for all the help guys. The Steven's Model 200 in 243 is really looking good to me .I thought about a single shot rifle but if he were to miss or have a chance to take more than one deer it would kill his chances of getting off another shot.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 5:13:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By akcaribouhunter:
I started out with a 243. never caught a deer but caught my first moose with it one shot. Low recoil on the 243.


You shot a moose in .243? Wow!!! I have no experience but I'm thinking most guys would think it's not enough.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:03:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By JJREA:

Originally Posted By akcaribouhunter:
I started out with a 243. never caught a deer but caught my first moose with it one shot. Low recoil on the 243.


You shot a moose in .243? Wow!!! I have no experience but I'm thinking most guys would think it's not enough.


It isn't enough for a moose, that's why he said he 'caught' it!
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 12:38:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/16/2008 9:41:27 AM EST by akcaribouhunter]
Yes i "caught" it with one shot. One shot behind the ear into the brain. He was a small on 33in across. He was climbing the river bank. The 243 works very well on caribou also. It is all about shot placement. In my culture we caught or catch animals. Relatives even use the 243 on bears.
Link Posted: 7/16/2008 3:38:51 PM EST
I can't believe no one has mentioned an AR in 6.8SPC or 6.5Grendel. Adjustable stock, not much more recoil than the .223, and it will be effective on deer out to 300yds+ (probably father than he can shoot right now).

I don't know about Grendel ammo, but there are good factory loads for 6.8SPC and you can do even better reloading.
Link Posted: 7/16/2008 4:12:09 PM EST
.243 would be my vote.

I was a testosterone-laden-idiot when I was about 14 and convinced my dad that I REALLY needed a 7mm Mag. I think he let me get it just for the humor aspect of it. I ended up having to install a shotgun pad on that damned thing. hinking.gif That bitch will drop a boar where you hit him though.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 1:22:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/22/2008 1:25:31 PM EST by mike103]
Link Posted: 7/26/2008 5:35:58 PM EST
he could prolly handle a 7mm rem mag

i got a 7mm rem mag almost 2 years ago (i was 13 then and 15 now) and i wasn't a very big kid muscle wise.

but if he candle recoil and doesn't mind it i'd look into a rifle chambered in that with a nice walnut stock ( i have a browning A bolt im 7mm rem mag)

if your not interested in that, i would go with a .243 or .270win,
Link Posted: 7/27/2008 4:30:55 AM EST
I'm 36 years old and I don't want to shoot a 7mm Rem Mag. It is also not necessary to kill deer. I think people overgun way to much for deer. If you're shooting a long ways, your rifle helps because it has a flatter trajectory than some, and more downrange power. But if you're shooting 1-200 yards for the most part, that is too much gun in my opinion. I'm sure it works real good though.
Link Posted: 7/27/2008 9:21:25 PM EST
Well folks some things have changed since my last post.My sons desire to hunt, or lack there of has caused me to change my mind as to what gun I am going to get himhinking.gif.I am going to get him a New England Arms single shot chambered in 243.This way if he decides he doesn't like it I won't be out so much, and my little girl could shoot it if that happens.Thanks again for all your feedback.
Link Posted: 7/28/2008 5:27:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By rowdeyredman:
Well folks some things have changed since my last post.My sons desire to hunt, or lack there of has caused me to change my mind as to what gun I am going to get him.I am going to get him a New England Arms single shot chambered in 243.This way if he decides he doesn't like it I won't be out so much, and my little girl could shoot it if that happens.Thanks again for all your feedback.


I think the NEA .243 would be a great first choice. Not too expensive and fun to shoot. Glad to see you are not forcing him to "want" to hunt. Perhaps he will take a better interest later on.

Shooting by itself can also be fun. Once you get the rifle, try playing tic-tac-toe at 50 yards. That way, he will get some trigger time while hopefully having fun at the same time.

Getting a rifle does not mean all you can do with it is hunt deer. Good luck and post pics of you both at the range.
Link Posted: 8/6/2008 7:50:17 AM EST
It's hard to go wrong with the .243 for a first deer gun. Plenty of gun models to choose from. Bullet selections are endless. Weights from 60ish to 100+. Not sure I would ever try to "CATCH" a moose with it, but then again, in GA, not sure your moose population really needs to get caught.

My 7 year old harvested his first deer this past season with a Savage youth .243 we bought at Wal-Mart. $300 plus a $99 scope. It took care of business real nice.

http://www.p1huntclub.com/images/albums/NewAlbum_57db2/JJ_spike_2.jpg
Link Posted: 8/18/2008 1:51:23 AM EST
I am 42 years old, and I hunt with a single shot NEF rifle in .243.

I think it is a great rifle, rugged and simple. The trigger on mine is smooth and just right, from the factory. I also like the single shot of the rifle, it teaches shot placement.

Great rifle for the beginner or the seasoned hunter.
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