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Posted: 12/12/2010 5:24:21 PM EDT
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There's a pellet gun thread somewhere around here.....not to long ago. Not a bad thing to have one on the side, but a .22 w/CB's or BB caps is pretty quiet if it has a long barrel...and could be juiced up w/full power loads should larger game appear.
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Posted: 12/12/2010 5:44:45 PM EDT
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a suppressor would be a be a better buy IMHO . It adds a lot to your preps and saves hearing as well
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Posted: 12/12/2010 5:55:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: a suppressor would be a be a better buy IMHO . It adds a lot to your preps and saves hearing as well this with my 10/22, i have it sighted in at 50yds, and from 15-50yds it is within .2 inches of point of aim it has taken several squirrels without a suppressor(hunting laws), but I know that my suppressor does not affect point of impact, so I know it is a viable, almost silent hunting implement |
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Posted: 12/12/2010 7:20:31 PM EDT
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If you want to drool over some bad ass airguns google: Quackenbush airgun ..... but from what I've seen good luck getting one unless you are quick when the list get's opened.
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Posted: 12/12/2010 7:26:46 PM EDT
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The important thing to remember is: 1 shot. Whether you are shooting a 22 or a 30.06. People hear 1 gunshot and they say, "was that a gun shot?" People here 2 or 3 and they start calling the police. The mountain men knew that too. Hard to tell exactly which direction 1 shot came from. More than one shot and the Blackfeet would find you pretty quick.
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Posted: 12/12/2010 7:34:26 PM EDT
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Well, it can be made to work. First choice? No.
I have an RWS Diana model 48 Sidecocker .22 cal pellet rifle. It puts the .22 pellets out at 900 F.P.S. I have an airgun specific scope on it, and it is a tack driver, or darn close to it. I have killed numerous ground squirrels, (the bane of my existence) with it, most are one shot kills. Most kills are in the 25-40 yard range. You can hear a very satisfying, "thump" when the pellet hits the critter. I have over $600 in this rifle. It is quieter than a .22LR out of a rifle, but not alot quieter. I love the darn thing, but hindsight being 20-20, I should bought a couple more 10-22's to build, and built one ground squirrel specific. |
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Posted: 12/12/2010 8:36:40 PM EDT
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I absolutely think that some of the new 1,000 fps air rifles can have a place in survival preps. In a long-term TEOTWAWKI situation I would think pellets would be easier to get than ammo. They hit nearly as hard as a 22 LR, are quieter, and are less regulated.
The problem is they can cost more than a 10/22. This one is $250 and this one is $850. That buys a lot of 22 LR ammo. |
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Posted: 12/13/2010 4:12:56 AM EDT
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I hate to say it but you are all throwing too many $$$$$$'s at the so called problem, but at least you are thinking about the problem which is a plus.
You gotta start thinking primitive weapon's like blowguns, and sling shots "I really like sling shots, because there'll never be a shortage of shot" and snaring. Bows are almost silent too, but cost a lot of denaroes to shoot unless you make your own arrows. Also if you get a sling shot, make sure you get plenty of extra slings, they rot out just from age, and think about getting a small lead shot ball mold, smaller than .50 cal. I've used .50 cal lead ball and they work well but are somewhat limited in range. I just found a used .40 cal mold at my favorite local gun shop that is a little rusty on the inside, but I don't care because it'll make excellent size balls for my sling. Blowguns can be made from a variety of materials from aircraft aluminum tube to PVC pipe, however you need to make then large, like .50 to .75 cal to be able to have a heavy enough dart for killing small game. forget about the toy .40 cal wire dart guns, though they're fun to play with, and blow guns to me are less accurate and have less range than my sling. Spend your money on more important things like extra food, fuel, silver, gas masks, fresh water filters, 1st aid supplies and medicine. JMOFWIW |
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Posted: 12/13/2010 4:30:16 AM EDT
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Look at traps and snares. They hunt 24/7. The fact is in most areas in the East there wont be any game after a month or 2. They will be hunted out. I would look at a .22 instead. I shoot shorts out of mine and they are quieter than my air rifle.
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Posted: 12/13/2010 4:48:41 AM EDT
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Look at traps and snares. They hunt 24/7. The fact is in most areas in the East there wont be any game after a month or 2. They will be hunted out. I would look at a .22 instead. I shoot shorts out of mine and they are quieter than my air rifle. Thread.
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Posted: 12/13/2010 4:58:10 AM EDT
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So I am thinking about picking up a pellet gun for low profile small game hunting.. rabbits, squirrels, etc. Mainly because i would think I could keep a low profile without alerting any nastys in a SHTF situation... Your thoughts... I never shot a bow before, thought about a cross bow, but I think a pellet gun would be more cost efficient in the long run... Anyone else? If it comes down to that, you will have to fight your way to the hunting area. |
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Posted: 12/13/2010 5:40:11 AM EDT
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If you want quiet, don't buy a Gamo whisper! It's a neat gun but it's as loud as a 22. I was not happy with the noise level.
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Posted: 12/13/2010 5:48:02 AM EDT
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Shoot, I keep one by my door and shoot it almost more than I do my guns.
I literally have its ballistic curve down pat and can hit about anything I let loose on and I'm just using a cheap Crossman pump that I put a .22 lr scope on. Will I ever need this thing to covertly hunt small game? Well, I certainly hope not but there was a time many years ago, it would have come in damn handy. In the meantime, its a great way to have some shooting fun and keep many of your gun skills honed. Tj |
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Posted: 12/13/2010 5:49:43 AM EDT
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i've found that a sub-sonic .22, or a CB cap is as quiet as most pellet guns. i beleive you have the right idea though, i personally fixed a 77/22, with a suppressor, for such purposes. it got a little expensive before i was satisfied,, $250 for can,,$200 for tax stamp,, ruger all weather 77/22, black-t'ed, 2 1/2-8 leopold scope. with subsonics it is very quiet, and the rifle should hold up . most don't realize that you still get that ''crack'' with say a mini-mag, even with a suppressor. got to stay with subs for stealth, but you can carry stingers or mini-mags in the rotary magazines, in a revolver speedloader pouch on your side, for a fast reload with more oommph. good luck with what you come up with.
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Posted: 12/13/2010 6:44:28 AM EDT
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My 10/22 with the cheap TAC-65 supressor is quieter then either the kid's Daisy Red Ryder or Daisy 880 pelet gun. I have also used it to kill quite a few groundhogs in next to the barn which the BB guns don't do. In addition, 10 rounds is a nice to have extra if you had a chance to pick off a couple small critters at once. JMHO, but I have the BB gun as a backup but in reality the supressed 10/22 is a far superior system for quietness as well as effectiveness.
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Posted: 12/13/2010 7:03:47 AM EDT
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I have a 1200 FPS Gamo something or other i used to use to take out the birds that kept crapping on my truck... but it wans't as accurate as I wanted for a $200+ pellet gun, trigger sucked, and was LOUDER than ANY .22 I have and had less punch behind it. It did manage to drop a bird or two but far from what I would consider worth it. That being said I just dropped off an old Rem 521T with weaver scope to have the barrel threaded for my .22 can....
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So I am thinking about picking up a pellet gun for low profile small game hunting.. rabbits, squirrels, etc. Mainly because i would think I could keep a low profile without alerting any nastys in a SHTF situation... Your thoughts... I never shot a bow before, thought about a cross bow, but I think a pellet gun would be more cost efficient in the long run... Anyone else? If it comes down to that, you will have to fight your way to the hunting area. Although I would be inclined to agree with this... |
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Posted: 12/13/2010 7:04:29 AM EDT
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Shoot, I keep one by my door and shoot it almost more than I do my guns. I literally have its ballistic curve down pat and can hit about anything I let loose on and I'm just using a cheap Crossman pump that I put a .22 lr scope on. Will I ever need this thing to covertly hunt small game? Well, I certainly hope not but there was a time many years ago, it would have come in damn handy. In the meantime, its a great way to have some shooting fun and keep many of your gun skills honed. Tj This, my $35.00 Daisy powerline has killed over 100 starlings this year. Hits anything I aim at. Its small and points quick. I had a friends Gamo Whisper for 1 month, and like the Daisy better. The majority of accuracy can be obtained by practice, not money. |
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Posted: 12/13/2010 8:00:50 AM EDT
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pellets can be cast from anything after someone runs out of 10,000 pellets they could carry in the same amount of space as 1000 .22 rounds.
so i think there is a deffinate place for a pellet rifle in a survival situation that depended on small game for food. and casting pellets out of lead and aluminum is fairly easy, with no need for powder,primers and cases. |
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Posted: 12/13/2010 9:07:11 AM EDT
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I got this as my steath gun. It's an integral suppressed FN Patrol in .308. It's designed for SS ammo. I also have a integral suppressed 10/22 that is quiet with SS.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 2:58:15 PM EDT
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a lot of higher powered air rifles, are almost as loud as a .22 rifle. i want to buy a supressor for my smith and wesson m&p-15-.22. supressed .22 rifles are good for more than just squirrells.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 3:29:59 PM EDT
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I did all the studyin' last year and picked up a .22 pellet rifle with scope for well under $200 delivered. Reasonably quiet and lets us practice indoors, pretty accurate at small game range, and pellets are worlds cheaper than .22.
Personally, I don't see the cost=benefit in canning a .22 for pot shooting when I can do the deed cheaper and within reasonable parameters. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 3:36:36 PM EDT
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Benjamin .22 . 5 pumps and you are all good.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 3:55:34 PM EDT
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I am suppressor-challenged. I know they quiet down the report of a firearm, but they are not infallably quiet with all loads, right? I mean to truly be quiet like a bug fart, they have to shoot subsonic loads, right? And with high-velocity loads, they suppress the report enough to make it difficult to locate your position? Have I got it right? What did I leave out? Do any of you have some links to some good reading about this?
Hey OP, FWIW I like the .22 rifle with CBs idea someone said. They are a much better plan of attack than pellet guns, bb guns, blowguns, or other toys. Yes, I said toys. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 5:11:21 AM EDT
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I am suppressor-challenged. I know they quiet down the report of a firearm, but they are not infallably quiet with all loads, right? I mean to truly be quiet like a bug fart, they have to shoot subsonic loads, right? And with high-velocity loads, they suppress the report enough to make it difficult to locate your position? Have I got it right? What did I leave out? Do any of you have some links to some good reading about this? Yes, supressors quiet the "POW" effect or a shot but they do not have any affect of the supersonic crack of a bullet. Now, you don't need to buy special subsonic ammo as much as you need to find ammo that is slower then the speed of sound in your gun. For example, most target and standard velocity ammo is in fact slower then the speed of sound (or subsonic). My favorite ammo is CCI standard velocity and I but it by the 5,000 round case as I shoot a lot of it throught the MGs as well as my 10/22s, Bolt Guns, and pistols. As for the sound, it is a little hard to describe, the silencer is not exactly silent but the report is not as sharp and it is certainly quieter then when you shoot without it on the gun. With my 10/22 as an example, the bolt is lowder then the shot and you can clearly hear the bullet hitting and many times it is as loud as the gun shot itself. As for where to get general info, hit up the technical forums here! http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=20 The 22 supressor is the best general purpose supressor but a .308 supressor used with a special round like the 300 Whisper is just as quiet as a 22lr but you are moving a 240-gr bullet that will get the job done out to 200 yards. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 9:25:23 AM EDT
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Look at traps and snares. They hunt 24/7. The fact is in most areas in the East there wont be any game after a month or 2. They will be hunted out. I would look at a .22 instead. I shoot shorts out of mine and they are quieter than my air rifle. Thread.
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Posted: 12/15/2010 9:56:05 AM EDT
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Look at traps and snares. They hunt 24/7. The fact is in most areas in the East there wont be any game after a month or 2. They will be hunted out. I would look at a .22 instead. I shoot shorts out of mine and they are quieter than my air rifle. Thread.
?? I think he means he agrees with you and that should be the end of the thread. FWIW, I also agree about snares/traps. That said, I have shot raccoons and foxes as well as squirrels, rabbits, grouse, etc. with my suppressed .22s shooting CCI subsonic ammo. It kills all of them quite easily. I am sure they would take a coyote providing you had good shot placement. Can your cranked up pellet rifle/ blowgun, slingshot do this? I honestly don't know the answer to this question. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 10:43:30 AM EDT
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Look at traps and snares. They hunt 24/7. The fact is in most areas in the East there wont be any game after a month or 2. They will be hunted out. I would look at a .22 instead. I shoot shorts out of mine and they are quieter than my air rifle. Thread.
?? I think he means he agrees with you and that should be the end of the thread. FWIW, I also agree about snares/traps. That said, I have shot raccoons and foxes as well as squirrels, rabbits, grouse, etc. with my suppressed .22s shooting CCI subsonic ammo. It kills all of them quite easily. I am sure they would take a coyote providing you had good shot placement. Can your cranked up pellet rifle/ blowgun, slingshot do this? I honestly don't know the answer to this question. That is EXACTLY what I meant. As a longtime trapper, I KNOW what I'm relying on if I NEED to provide. They work, discretely if used properly, while you do other things. Same with, ahem, fish capturing devices (I was more specific when I first joined and got my wrist slapped) |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 10:52:48 AM EDT
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I hate to say it but you are all throwing too many $$$$$$'s at the so called problem, but at least you are thinking about the problem which is a plus. You gotta start thinking primitive weapon's like blowguns, and sling shots "I really like sling shots, because there'll never be a shortage of shot" and snaring. Bows are almost silent too, but cost a lot of denaroes to shoot unless you make your own arrows. Also if you get a sling shot, make sure you get plenty of extra slings, they rot out just from age, and think about getting a small lead shot ball mold, smaller than .50 cal. I've used .50 cal lead ball and they work well but are somewhat limited in range. I just found a used .40 cal mold at my favorite local gun shop that is a little rusty on the inside, but I don't care because it'll make excellent size balls for my sling. Most of us prep to avoid our balls being in a sling.... 
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Posted: 12/15/2010 11:09:24 AM EDT
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My bull barreld 10/22 with good subsonic ammo and no suppressor is quieter than most high powered airguns.
Honestly, a rifle length barre l+ subsonic ammo is as quiet as you need. |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 12:17:53 PM EDT
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Shoot, I keep one by my door and shoot it almost more than I do my guns. I literally have its ballistic curve down pat and can hit about anything I let loose on and I'm just using a cheap Crossman pump that I put a .22 lr scope on. Will I ever need this thing to covertly hunt small game? Well, I certainly hope not but there was a time many years ago, it would have come in damn handy. In the meantime, its a great way to have some shooting fun and keep many of your gun skills honed. Tj This, my $35.00 Daisy powerline has killed over 100 starlings this year. Hits anything I aim at. Its small and points quick. I had a friends Gamo Whisper for 1 month, and like the Daisy better. The majority of accuracy can be obtained by practice, not money. Ah, heck, you ought to see me with the Red Ryder. That's my non-lethal solution for many somewhat larger critters.
Got that drop down pretty pat too, at least to the edge of my yard. Tj Story Time (Red Tailed Devil) Every year we get this pair of Starlings that builds a nest in one of our hanging plants. My wife gets a kick out of it. The little birds have gotten so use to us, they ignore us and hop right over us to the nest. My wife has a deal with me. I can go kill anything I want anywhere but I don't kill anything at my house. My 80 year old MIL is sitting on the porch one day when this Red Tail Hawk apparently figures the Starlings are good eats. He dive bombs the porch knocking my MIL down. Worse, now he has my porch staked out and is not leaving my yard just moving from tree to tree in eye shot waiting on the little birds. Not even firing off a shotgun blast scared this Hawk away. OK now, I can't have my MIL in the hospital or held hostage by a bird, neither will the wife allow me to kill the Starlings, and killing a Red Tail Hawk even wounding one is against the law. It was like the bird new this somehow. I pop out the Red Ryder. At the range the bird is frequenting, its BB will be no more than a sting and he's is popping into the ranges I have the drop calculated so can hit him. I wait on him to take just the ideal spot to both hit the target and not permanently hurt the bird. A stray dog or cat is a lot easier. Besides being bigger, their hide is tougher than a bird so the Red Ryder sting em range is a lot more user friendly. This Red Tail though isn't cooperating. He just kept moving too close (afraid I'd sink the BB) or too far afraid I'd miss. it was getting to be quite the challenge. Finally he took a limb right at the edge of my yard. With elevation, I figured 100 foot. I took careful aim and let one fly. The BB was a little off due to windage but hit the bird in a perfect location, leg flank where the muscle is strong and bones not brittle. He shook his leg like he had been stung by a bee, waited a minute, then he flew off never to come back. I figure Hawks must be damn smart birds. He obviously reasoned it out and unlike a feral cat or stray dog, it only took one shoot for him to never return. There are all kinds of non-lethal applications. Tj |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 8:08:44 PM EDT
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I hate to say it but you are all throwing too many $$$$$$'s at the so called problem, but at least you are thinking about the problem which is a plus. You gotta start thinking primitive weapon's like blowguns, and sling shots "I really like sling shots, because there'll never be a shortage of shot" and snaring. Bows are almost silent too, but cost a lot of denaroes to shoot unless you make your own arrows. Also if you get a sling shot, make sure you get plenty of extra slings, they rot out just from age, and think about getting a small lead shot ball mold, smaller than .50 cal. I've used .50 cal lead ball and they work well but are somewhat limited in range. I just found a used .40 cal mold at my favorite local gun shop that is a little rusty on the inside, but I don't care because it'll make excellent size balls for my sling. Most of us prep to avoid our balls being in a sling....
If you never had your balls in a sling you ain't livin. I'm glad to see someone else has a sence of humor! |
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Posted: 12/15/2010 8:12:11 PM EDT
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I absolutely think that some of the new 1,000 fps air rifles can have a place in survival preps. In a long-term TEOTWAWKI situation I would think pellets would be easier to get than ammo. They hit nearly as hard as a 22 LR, are quieter, and are less regulated. The problem is they can cost more than a 10/22. This one is $250 and this one is $850. That buys a lot of 22 LR ammo. How much do pellets weigh? I don't think they are even comparable to .22LR. 1000 fps of a pellett, or 1000fps of lead? |
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Posted: 12/16/2010 5:16:32 AM EDT
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I absolutely think that some of the new 1,000 fps air rifles can have a place in survival preps. In a long-term TEOTWAWKI situation I would think pellets would be easier to get than ammo. They hit nearly as hard as a 22 LR, are quieter, and are less regulated. The problem is they can cost more than a 10/22. This one is $250 and this one is $850. That buys a lot of 22 LR ammo. How much do pellets weigh? I don't think they are even comparable to .22LR. 1000 fps of a pellett, or 1000fps of lead? Usually 7-10 grains with some of the beefier (and alot slower) .22 pellets weighing up to 20 grains. A 40 grain subsonic .22lr bullet would have at least double the energy. Usually more. ETA:After doing some searching, a 8.3 grain .177 hunting pellet traveling at 1250fps (the fastest I could find) has 29ftlbs of energy. By comparison, a 40 grain CCI subsonic 22lr has about 98ftlbs of energy. So it looks like a subsonic 22lr would have over 3.37 times the energy that a super fast airgun would have. Then add to this the fact that you can buy the CCI subsonic segmented ammo now that (supposedly) will kill better due to multiple wound channels and there is little argument that a air rifle can compete with a suppressed 22lr. |
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