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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:10:09 AM EDT
So we've had some unusually cold temps so far this year, and a couple of things have pinged my radar.
As some of you know, I've been building a prepper/homestead on my 20 acres for some time. Well, we used the fireplace and a natural gas heater last winter, but it was pretty mild temperature-wise. When we first moved in, I purchased a wood stove and I intended to install it outside. That being said, our electronic igniting gas stovetop took a shit this week. I'm wondering what you guys think regarding next steps. I could: 1) Bring the antique wood stove inside and install it permanently. This would heat the house and provide cooking surface. 2) Install a fireplace insert with a cooking surface (does such a thing exist?). 3) Buy a new, modern wood stove for both heating and cooking. Obviously, the two main goals are heat and cooking. I'd like a less expensive option, but frankly I'd rather spend the money and do it right.
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I would look for an Amish or Mennonite oriented wood stove store.
I personally have zero experience with a dedicated wood kitchen stove , but in our old house we have a large free standing wood stove that had a large mostly flattop ( had 2 levels ) this allowed plenty of cooking area. This was not an expensive stove it didn't even have glass door it was all cast iron. |
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That's a great old cook stove! Very nice.
If I owned it I'd definitely try to get it installed and operational. I wouldn't get rid of the modern cooktop though. I also wouldn't go into it with the expectation that it'll provide whole house heat. It might, but I wouldn't count on it. |
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I have a kitchen cook stove much like that one in the pic.Its awesome for cooking on and heats up a decent area but I wouldn't rely on it to heat my whole house.A second stove somewhere else in your house would be needed which is how I have things set up.In fact I have a Fischer mama bear that heats the house by itself.The cook stove will need frequent feedings compared to a regular wood stove.
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Small older wood stoves with cook tops that are complete With no missig parts are in HIGH demand. They bring a premium trading on arboristsite and hearth. You have a little gold nugget there. Install it in the house and be happy. I don't even know of any that are even made anymore.
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Those old cook stoves throw some heat!!!
That one is in outstanding condition, and I know some Amish folks that would pester you constantly to buy it. It looks MINT! NICE!! They have several disadvantages for heating a house though. The firebox is small. You have to run small splits "Stove Bolts", and they don't burn long, and certainly not overnight. You're in Bama, so if the house is heavily insulated it wont be too much of an issue, but still a PITA on cold snaps that last several weeks. The other thing is the ash pans are usually rather small, and need frequent clean outs. A dedicated Wood stove, especially one of the newer non-Cat, stoves would work a LOT better as a dedicated heating unit. Longer burn times, much better efficiency, larger firebox, fewer clean outs, secondary burn for less smoke on inversion days. The same holds for fireplace inserts, but you're going to be dependent on electricity or a back up with them...and they wont work well for cooking at all with the smaller firebox. If the option exists in your Cabin/House, look at the zero clearance fire places. Some can be set up for cooking with the doors open, like a conventional fireplace. Steaks cooked over wood coals in the fireplace, when it's -10 and the wind howling, taste Sooooo much better than off the grill. If you don't instal that cook stove...you could likely sell it for enough to fund a good top tier Lopi. I would like to just have one to cook on now and then, and as a back up for power outages. That old thing is kinda gorgeous really. |
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Quoted: Those old cook stoves throw some heat!!! That one is in outstanding condition, and I know some Amish folks that would pester you constantly to buy it. It looks MINT! NICE!! They have several disadvantages for heating a house though. The firebox is small. You have to run small splits "Stove Bolts", and they don't burn long, and certainly not overnight. You're in Bama, so if the house is heavily insulated it wont be too much of an issue, but still a PITA on cold snaps that last several weeks. The other thing is the ash pans are usually rather small, and need frequent clean outs. A dedicated Wood stove, especially one of the newer non-Cat, stoves would work a LOT better as a dedicated heating unit. Longer burn times, much better efficiency, larger firebox, fewer clean outs, secondary burn for less smoke on inversion days. The same holds for fireplace inserts, but you're going to be dependent on electricity or a back up with them...and they wont work well for cooking at all with the smaller firebox. If the option exists in your Cabin/House, look at the zero clearance fire places. Some can be set up for cooking with the doors open, like a conventional fireplace. Steaks cooked over wood coals in the fireplace, when it's -10 and the wind howling, taste Sooooo much better than off the grill. If you don't instal that cook stove...you could likely sell it for enough to fund a good top tier Lopi. I would like to just have one to cook on now and then, and as a back up for power outages. That old thing is kinda gorgeous really. View Quote I looked up Lopi, and they are awesome looking. Especially this one! Now you've got me considering selling this to fund it. |
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I just had This installed this year.
It puts off a ton of heat and is a very low maintenance stove with only one gasket. It is also a convective stove which means it puts out a softer heat and I am able to sit in the same room without being too hot. This will be our primary heat source and so far has done a great job. |
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Quoted: I just had This installed this year. It puts off a ton of heat and is a very low maintenance stove with only one gasket. It is also a convective stove which means it puts out a softer heat and I am able to sit in the same room without being too hot. This will be our primary heat source and so far has done a great job. View Quote That sounds great, considering we are in the south, and it doesn't get too cold here. How much did the whole install cost, if you don't mind me asking?
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That sounds great, considering we are in the south, and it doesn't get too cold here. How much did the whole install cost, if you don't mind me asking? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I just had This installed this year. It puts off a ton of heat and is a very low maintenance stove with only one gasket. It is also a convective stove which means it puts out a softer heat and I am able to sit in the same room without being too hot. This will be our primary heat source and so far has done a great job. That sounds great, considering we are in the south, and it doesn't get too cold here. How much did the whole install cost, if you don't mind me asking? It was about $4500 with everything. The stove itself was $2099. |
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Quoted: It was about $4500 with everything. The stove itself was $2099. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just had This installed this year. It puts off a ton of heat and is a very low maintenance stove with only one gasket. It is also a convective stove which means it puts out a softer heat and I am able to sit in the same room without being too hot. This will be our primary heat source and so far has done a great job. That sounds great, considering we are in the south, and it doesn't get too cold here. How much did the whole install cost, if you don't mind me asking? It was about $4500 with everything. The stove itself was $2099. That's about $1500 more than I was looking to spend, but I can manage it.
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Ouch. That's about $1500 more than I was looking to spend, but I can manage it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I just had This installed this year. It puts off a ton of heat and is a very low maintenance stove with only one gasket. It is also a convective stove which means it puts out a softer heat and I am able to sit in the same room without being too hot. This will be our primary heat source and so far has done a great job. That sounds great, considering we are in the south, and it doesn't get too cold here. How much did the whole install cost, if you don't mind me asking? It was about $4500 with everything. The stove itself was $2099. That's about $1500 more than I was looking to spend, but I can manage it. Could you install it yourself? You could probably save about $1000 if you did the install. |
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This would actually be my best bet.
It's an insert, and a stove top. I also found a local dealer/installer. Hopefully using my existing chimney and fireplace will reduce the cost a little. Here is what it would look like installed: Here is my current fire place. |
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Get a used electric stove off CL for under 100 bucks. Lots available for little money.
Install the fireplace insert when money is not an issue. Looks like a cool idea, but, you don't 'need' a cooktop to cook in front of a fireplace. People have cooked on a hearth for thousands of years. I have hung roasts on strings from my mantle, spin them by hand, grills fine. Hang the meat from a string. Twist the string to make it rotate. Place a cast iron pan under it with vegetables to catch grease and roast in the pan while the meat hangs overhead. It is less convenient than an oven, but, it does work. As for that wood stove in your kitchen ... You are going to have a very hard time making that stove NOT set off any nearby smoke detectors. Even the best wood stoves are going to seep a little smoke now and then. Kitchen is a major cause of house fires. Removing smoke detectors (to prevent them being tripped by a wood stove) is not your best option. TRG |
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With your existing set-up an insert would be better. If you were to do a freestanding stove, you would have to either extend your hearth or remove it all together and make a new one. You could also use a hearth pad or stove board. One thing to consider is that an insert is going to rely on a blower to move the warm air away from the stove.
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With your existing set-up an insert would be better. If you were to do a freestanding stove, you would have to either extend your hearth or remove it all together and make a new one. You could also use a hearth pad or stove board. One thing to consider is that an insert is going to rely on a blower to move the warm air away from the stove. View Quote Low ceiling too for a woodstove. TRG |
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Quoted: Get a used electric stove off CL for under 100 bucks. Lots available for little money. Install the fireplace insert when money is not an issue. Looks like a cool idea, but, you don't 'need' a cooktop to cook in front of a fireplace. People have cooked on a hearth for thousands of years. I have hung roasts on strings from my mantle, spin them by hand, grills fine. Hang the meat from a string. Twist the string to make it rotate. Place a cast iron pan under it with vegetables to catch grease and roast in the pan while the meat hangs overhead. It is less convenient than an oven, but, it does work. As for that wood stove in your kitchen ... You are going to have a very hard time making that stove NOT set off any nearby smoke detectors. Even the best wood stoves are going to seep a little smoke now and then. Kitchen is a major cause of house fires. Removing smoke detectors (to prevent them being tripped by a wood stove) is not your best option. TRG View Quote I think installing the wood stove is not an option at this point for sure. |
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I think installing the wood stove is not an option at this point for sure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Get a used electric stove off CL for under 100 bucks. Lots available for little money. Install the fireplace insert when money is not an issue. Looks like a cool idea, but, you don't 'need' a cooktop to cook in front of a fireplace. People have cooked on a hearth for thousands of years. I have hung roasts on strings from my mantle, spin them by hand, grills fine. Hang the meat from a string. Twist the string to make it rotate. Place a cast iron pan under it with vegetables to catch grease and roast in the pan while the meat hangs overhead. It is less convenient than an oven, but, it does work. As for that wood stove in your kitchen ... You are going to have a very hard time making that stove NOT set off any nearby smoke detectors. Even the best wood stoves are going to seep a little smoke now and then. Kitchen is a major cause of house fires. Removing smoke detectors (to prevent them being tripped by a wood stove) is not your best option. TRG I think installing the wood stove is not an option at this point for sure. Replacing your smoke detector with a rate of rise detector will alleviate the issue of false alarms while still providing warning in the event of a fire. |
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Quoted: Replacing your smoke detector with a rate of rise detector will alleviate the issue of false alarms while still providing warning in the event of a fire. View Quote The main issue is going to be cost/efficiency. Small wood box, ash box, etc, not efficient at producing heat, are more what I'm thinking. The smoke doesn't sound pleasant either.
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The main issue is going to be cost/efficiency. Small wood box, ash box, etc, not efficient at producing heat, are more what I'm thinking. The smoke doesn't sound pleasant either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Replacing your smoke detector with a rate of rise detector will alleviate the issue of false alarms while still providing warning in the event of a fire. The main issue is going to be cost/efficiency. Small wood box, ash box, etc, not efficient at producing heat, are more what I'm thinking. The smoke doesn't sound pleasant either. I figured as much but wanted to toss that out there for anyone else who was thinking of taking a chance on removing a detector, or in case anyone reads this who has a wife that constantly sets off detectors. If one more fireman somewhere gets to eat a hot dinner because someone didn't set off a kitchen detector while cooking, I've done my job |
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Quoted: Get a used electric stove off CL for under 100 bucks. Lots available for little money. Install the fireplace insert when money is not an issue. Looks like a cool idea, but, you don't 'need' a cooktop to cook in front of a fireplace. People have cooked on a hearth for thousands of years. I have hung roasts on strings from my mantle, spin them by hand, grills fine. Hang the meat from a string. Twist the string to make it rotate. Place a cast iron pan under it with vegetables to catch grease and roast in the pan while the meat hangs overhead. It is less convenient than an oven, but, it does work. As for that wood stove in your kitchen ... You are going to have a very hard time making that stove NOT set off any nearby smoke detectors. Even the best wood stoves are going to seep a little smoke now and then. Kitchen is a major cause of house fires. Removing smoke detectors (to prevent them being tripped by a wood stove) is not your best option. TRG View Quote You think I should buy some stove pipe and install the wood stove on the back porch? Either that or I have a few dutch ovens that could be used in the fireplace itself.
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And here's mine. Englander 30-NCH wood stove. It's 32 outside and my home is nice and warm! http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p111/Albinator/Wood%20stove%20pics/IMG_20141123_170840804Large_zps0373a242.jpg View Quote That's a hell of a fireplace, nice! I like your built in as well. Did you do any of it? |
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So we've had some unusually cold temps so far this year, and a couple of things have pinged my radar. As some of you know, I've been building a prepper/homestead on my 20 acres for some time. Well, we used the fireplace and a natural gas heater last winter, but it was pretty mild temperature-wise. When we first moved in, I purchased a wood stove and I intended to install it outside. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-CUruzFO9oMQ/ThO75SV9WzI/AAAAAAAAPac/7GoZyOmTcvk/s912/IMG-20110705-00018.jpg That being said, our electronic igniting gas stovetop took a shit this week. I'm wondering what you guys think regarding next steps. I could: 1) Bring the antique wood stove inside and install it permanently. This would heat the house and provide cooking surface. 2) Install a fireplace insert with a cooking surface (does such a thing exist?). 3) Buy a new, modern wood stove for both heating and cooking. Obviously, the two main goals are heat and cooking. I'd like a less expensive option, but frankly I'd rather spend the money and do it right. View Quote In Alabama? Unless your 20-acres is somewhere north, maybe you should worry about something else. Last I was in Alabama in February, it was 72F and humid. The locals were wearing hooded parkas, I had on shorts, and a loose button shirt. Hilarious. Sell the stove and buy something to cool or feed yourself. |
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Quoted: In Alabama? Unless your 20-acres is somewhere north, maybe you should worry about something else. Last I was in Alabama in February, it was 72F and humid. The locals were wearing hooded parkas, I had on shorts, and a loose button shirt. Hilarious. Sell the stove and buy something to cool or feed yourself. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So we've had some unusually cold temps so far this year, and a couple of things have pinged my radar. As some of you know, I've been building a prepper/homestead on my 20 acres for some time. Well, we used the fireplace and a natural gas heater last winter, but it was pretty mild temperature-wise. When we first moved in, I purchased a wood stove and I intended to install it outside. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-CUruzFO9oMQ/ThO75SV9WzI/AAAAAAAAPac/7GoZyOmTcvk/s912/IMG-20110705-00018.jpg That being said, our electronic igniting gas stovetop took a shit this week. I'm wondering what you guys think regarding next steps. I could: 1) Bring the antique wood stove inside and install it permanently. This would heat the house and provide cooking surface. 2) Install a fireplace insert with a cooking surface (does such a thing exist?). 3) Buy a new, modern wood stove for both heating and cooking. Obviously, the two main goals are heat and cooking. I'd like a less expensive option, but frankly I'd rather spend the money and do it right. In Alabama? Unless your 20-acres is somewhere north, maybe you should worry about something else. Last I was in Alabama in February, it was 72F and humid. The locals were wearing hooded parkas, I had on shorts, and a loose button shirt. Hilarious. Sell the stove and buy something to cool or feed yourself. It's not far north, but we get temps in the teens during the winter. |
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And here's mine. Englander 30-NCH wood stove. It's 32 outside and my home is nice and warm! http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p111/Albinator/Wood%20stove%20pics/IMG_20141123_170840804Large_zps0373a242.jpg View Quote I have that same stove, installed it Myself, will run us out of the house. AWESOME deal through HD, free shipping, got all the pipe through Lowes. |
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And here's mine. Englander 30-NCH wood stove. It's 32 outside and my home is nice and warm! http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p111/Albinator/Wood%20stove%20pics/IMG_20141123_170840804Large_zps0373a242.jpg View Quote I just saw your post over on Hearth.com. Looks Very nice. Great job on the install. |
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That's a hell of a fireplace, nice! I like your built in as well. Did you do any of it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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And here's mine. Englander 30-NCH wood stove. It's 32 outside and my home is nice and warm! http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p111/Albinator/Wood%20stove%20pics/IMG_20141123_170840804Large_zps0373a242.jpg That's a hell of a fireplace, nice! I like your built in as well. Did you do any of it? Subcontracted out the carpentry, stone work and stove install with pipe. I did the design, subcontract requests, reviews and selection, installed the electrical outlets and switch, installed the two computer fans and, of course, wrote all the checks. I had one simple requirement: Safety. It was made clear to each vendor that safety would not be compromised in any way, shape or fashion. This especially hit home with the stove install guys since they're used to fighting the opposite with some of their clients. We had a fire yesterday, the house is still warm today. The stove weighs about 400 lbs, I figure between it and the stone work and the Durock underneath it, we're heating up about 2500 lbs of mass when I start a fire. Lasts a long time. |
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Subcontracted out the carpentry, stone work and stove install with pipe. I did the design, subcontract requests, reviews and selection, installed the electrical outlets and switch, installed the two computer fans and, of course, wrote all the checks. I had one simple requirement: Safety. It was made clear to each vendor that safety would not be compromised in any way, shape or fashion. This especially hit home with the stove install guys since they're used to fighting the opposite with some of their clients. We had a fire yesterday, the house is still warm today. The stove weighs about 400 lbs, I figure between it and the stone work and the Durock underneath it, we're heating up about 2500 lbs of mass when I start a fire. Lasts a long time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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And here's mine. Englander 30-NCH wood stove. It's 32 outside and my home is nice and warm! http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p111/Albinator/Wood%20stove%20pics/IMG_20141123_170840804Large_zps0373a242.jpg That's a hell of a fireplace, nice! I like your built in as well. Did you do any of it? Subcontracted out the carpentry, stone work and stove install with pipe. I did the design, subcontract requests, reviews and selection, installed the electrical outlets and switch, installed the two computer fans and, of course, wrote all the checks. I had one simple requirement: Safety. It was made clear to each vendor that safety would not be compromised in any way, shape or fashion. This especially hit home with the stove install guys since they're used to fighting the opposite with some of their clients. We had a fire yesterday, the house is still warm today. The stove weighs about 400 lbs, I figure between it and the stone work and the Durock underneath it, we're heating up about 2500 lbs of mass when I start a fire. Lasts a long time. Nice! Thanks. |
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Nice looking stove and fireplace Merlin. That's the first combination with a stove that I've really truly liked. GF approves too. What type.of wood is the flooring?
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Nice looking stove and fireplace Merlin. That's the first combination with a stove that I've really truly liked. GF approves too. What type.of wood is the flooring? View Quote It's a Brazilian wood, but the specific name escapes me right now. I've got some left that stored out in my shop, I'll take a look at one of the boxes next time I'm out there. The wood in the great/living room was already there. We added the same type wood flooring to the sun room and my office, that's how come we know what kind it is. We got it from the Flooring Store in Florence, AL. |
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