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Posted: 7/20/2013 6:01:00 PM EDT
My wife went to the mall to get her nails done tonight.  I was at home with our son. About the time I expected her home she called.  I could hear something was wrong in her voice so I asked what was up.  She said a guy had been following her throughout the mall, watched her while pacing back and fourth while she was in the nail place, then he approached her when she came out of the nail place.  

Now she's taller than I am so her height is easy to pick up on.  The guy asked her how tall she was, her name, etc... She asked why he wanted to know and then said she was married.  He backed off.  However she went to information and asked for security to escort her to her car...she called me on the way home.

Since I was with my son there wasn't much I could do other than give her some reminders/advice (our other vehicle is in the shop...see the roadside thread for that gem!).  I told her to keep an eye behind her to see if any vehicles followed her off of the highway and if they did to drive past the road that leads to our house, circle around the block and if they continued to follow her to the house or became aggressive (hitting, running off the road, etc), dial 911 and I'd meet her and anyone else that followed.

In preparation I grabbed my MSAR and slung it around front then turned up the ML2 (it was day time).  I already had my G19 IWB @ 4.  

She also had her G19 in her Coronado the entire time.  She was most likely better armed than the security guard that escorted her.  I'd bet a better shot to! That guy would basically have been a diversion to give her time to draw if need be.

Now stepping back, this just looks like a situation where a guy was attracted (creepy as he was), mustered up the guts to talk to her, found out she was married and backed off.  However, lets say he was a true threat and did not back off after the security guard left her.  As I see it she had OPTIONS because she was armed and in a vehicle.  

If she had called me sooner when she was farther away I probably would have told her go to her mom's house who lives closer to the mall and did NOT have our child waiting in it.  I love my wife dearly but our child comes first.  If I can avoid potential gun shots whizzing around him I will.  Plus, as I said, she is a good shot if it came to that.  
 
This was a crappy situation, but it meant a HUGE difference knowing she had the ability to defend herself if it came to that.  Plus it was not just a matter of handing her a gun and saying "good luck!".  She was an anti.  I converted her about 13 yrs back when she freaked out when I bought my first pistol (G26).  She's been carrying for over a decade now.  She knows how to use it and use it well.  Previous practice and drilling "what if's" could have potentially saved her life today.  

Just figured I'd share.  

-Emt1581
Link Posted: 7/20/2013 6:07:28 PM EDT
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Glad all worked out.  
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The guy asked her how tall she was, her name, etc...  
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Some dude from the disco era was hitting on your wife. He should be thanking his leisure suit you weren't around the corner.
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Some dude from the disco era was hitting on your wife. He should be thanking his leisure suit you weren't around the corner.
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Some dude from the disco era was hitting on your wife. He should be thanking his leisure suit you weren't around the corner.


Ha!! Yup.  This has happened to her (getting hit on) several times in our relationship.  This is the first time it really freaked her out because of how he was following her and pacing while watching her.  

And NONE of the times have I been along with her.  Not that I'd break his front teeth on the muzzle and say "beat it fuck face!" ... but still it'd be nice to have the ability to intervene.  Daddy/hubby is one man you do NOT mess with.  

-Emt1581
Link Posted: 7/20/2013 6:40:00 PM EDT
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Glad wife is OK and all is well.

My wife (Asian) gets hit on by old dudes all the time.........some of them older than me
Link Posted: 7/20/2013 7:44:04 PM EDT
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Posted in the wrong forum?

Glad all was okay. Sounds a bit dramatic for what it was. It's a mall, people go there to mingle and shop. Glad she kept her SA up to notice.
Link Posted: 7/20/2013 7:44:16 PM EDT
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Damn, I just thought she was hot and wanted to get her name..... Sheez


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You could have cost a mother-in-law.

Keep her practicing her marksmanship, and ensure she really keeps up on situational awareness.  I would live about 7 years longer if I felt comfortable with my wife going to the mall alone....  And this is Big Sky Country- we don't have malls.
Link Posted: 7/20/2013 8:28:06 PM EDT
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Glad all was okay. Sounds a bit dramatic for what it was. It's a mall, people go there to mingle and shop. Glad she kept her SA up to notice.
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This is a survival forum.  She encountered a questionable and potentially dangerous situation and survived.  I don't think every thread needs to be about food/water/collapse.  Just my opinion of course.

As I said, when you step back and look at it, it really wasn't bad...but it very easily could have been!

What I did not mention was that about 15 years ago...same mall....same time of day...same parking lot....a woman was murdered there.  It wasn't 25ft. from the entrance of Macy's and it's not a violent area or anything...but it still happened.  I still see flowers on the lamp post at the spot (not in my head...her family really still lays them).

-Emt1581
Link Posted: 7/20/2013 9:20:24 PM EDT
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This is a survival forum.  She encountered a questionable and potentially dangerous situation and survived.  I don't think every thread needs to be about food/water/collapse.  Just my opinion of course.

As I said, when you step back and look at it, it really wasn't bad...but it very easily could have been!

What I did not mention was that about 15 years ago...same mall....same time of day...same parking lot....a woman was murdered there.  It wasn't 25ft. from the entrance of Macy's and it's not a violent area or anything...but it still happened.  I still see flowers on the lamp post at the spot (not in my head...her family really still lays them).

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Glad all was okay. Sounds a bit dramatic for what it was. It's a mall, people go there to mingle and shop. Glad she kept her SA up to notice.


This is a survival forum.  She encountered a questionable and potentially dangerous situation and survived.  I don't think every thread needs to be about food/water/collapse.  Just my opinion of course.

As I said, when you step back and look at it, it really wasn't bad...but it very easily could have been!

What I did not mention was that about 15 years ago...same mall....same time of day...same parking lot....a woman was murdered there.  It wasn't 25ft. from the entrance of Macy's and it's not a violent area or anything...but it still happened.  I still see flowers on the lamp post at the spot (not in my head...her family really still lays them).

-Emt1581


Gotta love the Lehigh Valley Mall. I won't let the wife go there alone since that happened.
Link Posted: 7/21/2013 5:37:48 AM EDT
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I think its awesome that she was aware of her surroundings enough to know that she was being followed.  Good job training her.
Link Posted: 7/21/2013 5:45:02 AM EDT
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Did he have a broken arm, needing help moving a couch, back of a van?  


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Gotta love the Lehigh Valley Mall. I won't let the wife go there alone since that happened.
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Glad all was okay. Sounds a bit dramatic for what it was. It's a mall, people go there to mingle and shop. Glad she kept her SA up to notice.


This is a survival forum.  She encountered a questionable and potentially dangerous situation and survived.  I don't think every thread needs to be about food/water/collapse.  Just my opinion of course.

As I said, when you step back and look at it, it really wasn't bad...but it very easily could have been!

What I did not mention was that about 15 years ago...same mall....same time of day...same parking lot....a woman was murdered there.  It wasn't 25ft. from the entrance of Macy's and it's not a violent area or anything...but it still happened.  I still see flowers on the lamp post at the spot (not in my head...her family really still lays them).

-Emt1581


Gotta love the Lehigh Valley Mall. I won't let the wife go there alone since that happened.


I'm guessing you're from the valley to as not many from outside of it would remember that.  Wasn't she actually stabbed to death in an attempted kidnapping/abduction?  I also couldn't remember if she was pregnant or not.  I haven't checked that lamp post outside of Macy's in a while but I know it was ALWAYS covered with fresh flowers.

It's not all I think about when she goes to the mall as it was a while ago....but last night certainly brought it to the front of my brain!  

-Emt1581

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This is a survival forum.  She encountered a questionable and potentially dangerous situation and survived.  I don't think every thread needs to be about food/water/collapse.  Just my opinion of course.

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Glad all was okay. Sounds a bit dramatic for what it was. It's a mall, people go there to mingle and shop. Glad she kept her SA up to notice.


This is a survival forum.  She encountered a questionable and potentially dangerous situation and survived.  I don't think every thread needs to be about food/water/collapse.  Just my opinion of course.

-Emt1581


I agree.  Survival is as much about situational awareness as it is physical preps.  This has happened to my wife a couple of times and for a woman who is even armed, it's unnerving.  I won't let my wife go to the mall without her CCW and my son (now 14) is always with her and carries his Emerson knife.  There are a lot of creeps with no regard for respect...I don't trust anybody these days.  These are always good situations and scenarios to AAR and what-if for future planning.  More than appropriate for this forum...

ROCK6
Link Posted: 7/21/2013 10:01:27 AM EDT
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I cant count how many times this kind of thing has happened to women I know. More than once at krogers of all places. Lots of freaks out there for sure.
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THIS is the key to staying safe.(we all know that but it's worth repeating)
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I'm guessing you're from the valley to as not many from outside of it would remember that.  Wasn't she actually stabbed to death in an attempted kidnapping/abduction?  I also couldn't remember if she was pregnant or not.  I haven't checked that lamp post outside of Macy's in a while but I know it was ALWAYS covered with fresh flowers.

It's not all I think about when she goes to the mall as it was a while ago....but last night certainly brought it to the front of my brain!  

-Emt1581

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I live in the Poconos. We shop a few times a year down there. I don't remember the specifics other than in front of Macy's. I go there with the wife whenever she wants even though I hate shopping.
Link Posted: 7/21/2013 12:13:58 PM EDT
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Disregard.

Failed simple reading comprehension.
Link Posted: 7/21/2013 12:54:20 PM EDT
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Overall good Job - Good SA - Good getting Guard to walk to car, good on watching for the tail and having a plan if followed, etc.

But.....

This clearly falls into the overly dramatic category....

In preparation I grabbed my MSAR and slung it around front then turned up the ML2 (it was day time). I already had my G19 IWB @ 4.

Were you pacing around the house with a loaded .223 slung in front and G19?
Link Posted: 7/21/2013 1:20:42 PM EDT
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Had a friend who was known to all the local cops.  She often pulled into the police station parking lots and parked for a few minutes to let some weird stalker fella move on down the road.



She actually knew where all the various stations were where we grew up and due to high school sporting events this covered a decent area.



Far as I knew she just parked for a bit and rarely ever went in.  Lots of times an officer going in or out would ask what was up if they were not familiar with her.



Very nice gal, very pretty gal, and very smart gal.



I recomended a big old pickup with a proper bumper and these days I could even come up with some decent stickers for keeping count of dead stalkers dealt with.



And this gal had more than a few folks who actively followed her.  Multiple turns and pulling into fast food restaurants did not deter several of them.



Pulling into the police station solved all issues it seemed.



And this was 20 plus years ago.



I still like the old truck with a proper bumper.
Link Posted: 7/21/2013 2:51:57 PM EDT
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Drama.
Link Posted: 7/21/2013 3:11:38 PM EDT
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Having a neighbor you trust that you can leave your child with for 15 - 20 minutes in an emergency is a great asset to have.

I see the concern since the guy stalked around for a while but it sounds like your wife did alright.
Link Posted: 7/21/2013 3:23:38 PM EDT
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Women are dealing with kooks all day, as long as they just look and/or are respectful and she has space it's OK. But following her to her car especially at night, saying disrespectful things sexual or not or touching are red flags..Most women deal with jeers and leers without telling you. If your lady is with you at the club and she decides to go to the ladies room and she is hit on by a bunch of guys  its OK as long as its not near you. She has been dealing with this shit since junior high school. the women that I know that tell me some guy is bothering them is that they need attention. Make her feel good by telling her you wish you could have been there to kick his ass, they like that
Link Posted: 7/21/2013 3:59:50 PM EDT
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Glad everything worked out.
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Given that women attacked at parking lots by weridos happens a bit more often that the end of the world or zombies coming back from the dead I think it makes sense to talk about these things. ;)
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Link Posted: 7/22/2013 4:25:35 AM EDT
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Calling security was smart....  The presence of another person can frequently make the problem go away.  A uniform sometimes helps.

There is another, less obvious reason why this was a good course of action, even if the call was to some minimum wage mall ninja security guys.  Any time you use a firearm defensively, including a defensive shooting, the defender is going to have to prove, in some way shape or means, that there was a substantial and imminent danger to their physical person.  Mall security cameras can help, but they don't cover everywhere.  And sometimes the crime takes place somewhat later (the reason you had her drive around the block instead of directly home).  It's easy to get caught up in some sort of Zimmerman situation where a defender is painted as being overly aggressive and irresponsible.

By calling in security, she's doing two things.  She's demonstrating that she is fearful and apprehensive.  And she is also trying to find some means of 'fixing' the situation without entering into a conflict (letting security deal with it.)  Should mr creepy dude subsequently do something truly frightening, she has already called in others and demonstrated both her fears and her attempt to avoid a conflict.  When Mrs. finally needs to shoot Mr Creepy as a last resort, there are others who can testify that yes, this woman did call security, and we did escort her to her car, because she was being stalked.  It establishes her as the "good guy" -  which she clearly is -  and clearly establishes mr creepy as the stalker dude.  You are far less likely to find yourselves in a situation where Mr Creepy's family are in court claiming "Our boy didn't do nuffin'!.  He just panhandles, and was going to ask Mrs. Annie Oakley over there for a dollar so he could help raise funds to buy wheelchairs for crippled orphans".

When in doubt, call 911.  Clearly describe the situation.  It never hurts, and it clearly established who is, and who isn't at fault.
Link Posted: 7/22/2013 7:55:16 AM EDT
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My local mall: Kingston.

On February 13, 2005, Robert Bonelli Jr. of Glasco, New York, entered the mall with a Hesse-47 and began firing his weapon inside the Best Buy located at the mall. Bonelli, age 24, caused a panic as employees and shoppers began to flee the mall. Bonelli moved into the mall corridor and continued firing his weapon until he ran out of ammunition. After running out of bullets, he dropped his gun. At that point one mall worker grabbed his gun, and another tackled Bonelli. The mall was evacuated and Bonelli was taken into custody. Amazingly, no one was killed in the shooting and only two people (a National Guard recruiter and a 56 year old man) were wounded with one making a full recovery and the other still facing limitations today
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My wife is a Democrat, but not an anti. She has a NYS carry license (unrestricted) and is about to be ready to keep a pistol in her car...not OK at work, and the car has been broken into at the work parking lot, so we are getting a lockbox for her car.

She also works in the highest crime area north of Yonkers. At night.

Given our legal restrictions in NY, you need to buy in advance of need.
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I'm guessing you're from the valley to as not many from outside of it would remember that.  Wasn't she actually stabbed to death in an attempted kidnapping/abduction?  I also couldn't remember if she was pregnant or not.  I haven't checked that lamp post outside of Macy's in a while but I know it was ALWAYS covered with fresh flowers.

It's not all I think about when she goes to the mall as it was a while ago....but last night certainly brought it to the front of my brain!  

-Emt1581

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Glad all was okay. Sounds a bit dramatic for what it was. It's a mall, people go there to mingle and shop. Glad she kept her SA up to notice.


This is a survival forum.  She encountered a questionable and potentially dangerous situation and survived.  I don't think every thread needs to be about food/water/collapse.  Just my opinion of course.

As I said, when you step back and look at it, it really wasn't bad...but it very easily could have been!

What I did not mention was that about 15 years ago...same mall....same time of day...same parking lot....a woman was murdered there.  It wasn't 25ft. from the entrance of Macy's and it's not a violent area or anything...but it still happened.  I still see flowers on the lamp post at the spot (not in my head...her family really still lays them).

-Emt1581


Gotta love the Lehigh Valley Mall. I won't let the wife go there alone since that happened.


I'm guessing you're from the valley to as not many from outside of it would remember that.  Wasn't she actually stabbed to death in an attempted kidnapping/abduction?  I also couldn't remember if she was pregnant or not.  I haven't checked that lamp post outside of Macy's in a while but I know it was ALWAYS covered with fresh flowers.

It's not all I think about when she goes to the mall as it was a while ago....but last night certainly brought it to the front of my brain!  

-Emt1581




They didn't even TRY to car jack her.  They just walked up and shot her three times in the head.   the three guys convicted wanted her suv for a drug run to NNJ/NYC.   She was a catholic school teacher with a couple of kids.   After that the old lady stopped bitching about me CCW'N ....I still cant get her to go shooting or carry .........
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When we lived in PA for 4 years, we went to that mall once.  Was the only time.  I did frequent the shop behind it though, forget the name - but they usually had a decent selection of firearms.
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When we lived in PA for 4 years, we went to that mall once.  Was the only time.  I did frequent the shop behind it though, forget the name - but they usually had a decent selection of firearms.
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When we lived in PA for 4 years, we went to that mall once.  Was the only time.  I did frequent the shop behind it though, forget the name - but they usually had a decent selection of firearms.


Army Navy...that's rip-off central in the Lehigh Valley.  Only newbies and thugs shop there.  We've talked about them before eithr in this thread but definitely several others.  A few years back they weren't bad expertise-wise though.  Then the good guys that knew their shit quit and now all they have is kids and bumbling idiots who don't know their ass from their elbow!  

-Emt1581
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