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Posted: 1/15/2009 5:23:05 PM EDT
With the cold snap, I started looking for my old set of LongJohns and discovered that the Mrs. sent them to Goodwill. Do you have a favorite brand that you could recommend or is one brand better than the other?
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I like the polar fleece types.. Or anything BUT cotton..
I bought a pair of running tights (spandex material) that are not bulky and add quite a bit of warmth under blue jeans.. Brian |
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ive worn the duofold wool outer cold weather long johns for years.
have used cabela's brand also. i always liked duofolds better. |
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The .mil brown ones are the best money can buy. Water resistant and the warmest.
I think they are made of Polypropaline, or something like that. |
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yeah, those are good.
thick, but warm you'll need to wear baggy clothes with them |
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While on the expensive side, I have nothing but good things to report for the warmth factor from Underarmour Cold Gear. Be warned though, you'll want to buy at least one size larger (tops) unless you want to feel like your wearing a super tight wetsuit.
Had the lower and uppers on under other appropriate layers last month during an 8-hour snowmobile trip through Yellowstone, where the high was 11 degrees. Never got cold! |
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YES! So glad you started this thread - my favorite are the silkweight army issue (black) ECWS...the very thin ones. I wear the thick ones over them, but the silkweight are soooo nice....!!!
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yeah, those are good. thick, but warm you'll need to wear baggy clothes with them there are two weights - thick and thin...with the thick ones, you are right, but with the thin ones, like wearing little or nothing as far as bulk. |
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While on the expensive side, I have nothing but good things to report for the warmth factor from Underarmour Cold Gear. Be warned though, you'll want to buy at least one size larger (tops) unless you want to feel like your wearing a super tight wetsuit. Had the lower and uppers on under other appropriate layers last month during an 8-hour snowmobile trip through Yellowstone, where the high was 11 degrees. Never got cold! Have to agree with the Cold Gear, use it for hunting and hardly ever get too cold. A little on the expensive side, but worth every penny. |
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While on the expensive side, I have nothing but good things to report for the warmth factor from Underarmour Cold Gear. Be warned though, you'll want to buy at least one size larger (tops) unless you want to feel like your wearing a super tight wetsuit. Had the lower and uppers on under other appropriate layers last month during an 8-hour snowmobile trip through Yellowstone, where the high was 11 degrees. Never got cold! Have to agree with the Cold Gear, use it for hunting and hardly ever get too cold. A little on the expensive side, but worth every penny. This |
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Old cotton Long Johns work fine. Everybody wore those before the new types came out and they lived.
The GI polypros and thermax stuff are far better. That's all I have experiance with. |
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REI polypro is really good for the money. Is you want to drop more money look at Patagonia.
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While on the expensive side, I have nothing but good things to report for the warmth factor from Underarmour Cold Gear. Be warned though, you'll want to buy at least one size larger (tops) unless you want to feel like your wearing a super tight wetsuit. Had the lower and uppers on under other appropriate layers last month during an 8-hour snowmobile trip through Yellowstone, where the high was 11 degrees. Never got cold! Have to agree with the Cold Gear, use it for hunting and hardly ever get too cold. A little on the expensive side, but worth every penny. +1 for the Under Armour. I got the UA Cold Gear 2.0 Base for a recent hike in the mountains and I loved it. It kept me very warm while still wicking away the perspiration. With the UA CG 2.0, a fleece mid layer and an outer shell this FL boy was quite comfortable in 20*. Actually just today it was 50* here in FL and I wore it outside under my jeans and tee shirt while working on the car. I was so comfortable I forgot I was wearing it. It adds basically zero bulk, so it's very movement and tight space friendly. |
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I bought a pair of Smartwool pants which are 100% wool. I got them a few weeks ago and they work very well. They cost me about $70.00 which is a lot but they work very very well.
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I have been very happy with Patagonia and Marmot.... Patagonia currently has a 30% off sale right now...
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i wear polar max ones wheni hunt. but ive gotten a few of the UA style knock off for pants. They are like the silkweight base layers and labled as such. On the shirts i wear cold gear UA ( tactical of course so i canbe cool) only issue is once its over 65 and your doing anything it gets warm, fast....i normally dont wear anything on my legs, hel it was 45 yesterday and i was wearing shorts but my head,face,hands and torso have to be covered or ill get cold ultra fast!
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lil heads up...
check wally worlds hutnings ection for close outs on their fake UA,,caldwell brand has mock turtles,,in yote for 5$ and target has all their c9 base layers on sale for 7$ along with other cold weather items. ive had zero issue with the c9 line of fake UA etc. also check ross/tj max outlets UA comes through there alot. and pretty much 1/2 the cost! |
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I'm wearing el-cheapo cotton ones right now, and they're working pretty good.
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I have become a big fan of silk, warm and light.
For extreme cold I use it as a base layer, than put on some poly thermals over them. Cotton is bad, it retains moisture like a sponge, it does not wick it away rather keeps it on you, this is the problem once your "wet" your cold. |
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For short term use, just about any decent ones will do. For prolonged use and strenuous activity stay away from cotton and even polypropylene. Poly picks up body odor and smells bad after a couple of days. Under Armour is great and so is the Cabela's line, especially the ones with the impregnated silver. I have AND use both, mostly for hunting, but when it's cold outside (6F right now) for shoveling the driveway as well.
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DuoFold varitherm, they make several flavors for the various cold temps. some of the best I have found for staying warm wearing them today here in Ga. and have been outside almost all morning . I need better gloves but my butt is warm
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there is only one cabelas polartec powerdry
keeps you dry,warm and not stinky. machine washable and dries fast I prefer the medium weight. Saved my ass plenty of times under my carhartts in the damn cold no fucking cotton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Whatever is on sale at the Goodwill store.
Since you live in GA, I'd suggest a thin layer of polypro. |
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For REALLY cold i like mil. polypros.
For hiking, moving outside, i am really partial to these newer style base layers that are 2 Really thin layers of polyester/wool blend. A lot of brands make them; the ones I have start w/ a Z I got them at Marshalls for $11 or so, if that helps. Speed |
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I bought a pair of Smartwool pants which are 100% wool. I got them a few weeks ago and they work very well. They cost me about $70.00 which is a lot but they work very very well. where can you get them? |
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I'm wearing el-cheapo cotton ones right now, and they're working pretty good. OK, on cotton... it works fine until you sweat...then it wicks warmth from your body, then they find you face down deep in the woods... And wearing cotton, if caught in a cold rain, hypothermia, again, you are found face down... so cotton thermal underwear is awesome for sitting behind a desk if your office is chilly, but the phrase "cotton kills" MEANS something. |
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While on the expensive side, I have nothing but good things to report for the warmth factor from Underarmour Cold Gear. Be warned though, you'll want to buy at least one size larger (tops) unless you want to feel like your wearing a super tight wetsuit. Had the lower and uppers on under other appropriate layers last month during an 8-hour snowmobile trip through Yellowstone, where the high was 11 degrees. Never got cold! This. I use Underarmor and XGO [which is the same thing but supposedly flame resistant]. Definitely buy one size larger on the top. Polypro is hard to beat for extreme temps, but it is a little bulky. The days of that old-school itchny cotton BS like I wore hunting and camping as a kid are log gone, thank god. |
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The fake UA works great. it was 4 degrees here yesterday and that some winter weight pants with some smartwool socks and a light jacket I was warm enough to function outside allmost all day. if you have a mil surplus store nearby get a neck gator. basically a tube made of polypro and nylon? keeps my ears and nose from freezing.
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This year I've decided to switch from my old GI poly pro and civilian equivalents. They wick great and they'll keep you warm, BUT, they'll burn/melt. A little accident around the camp fire reminded me of that. I've decided to switch to the Cabela's Outfitter Series Merino Wool. It'll wick as well as poly pro, gives good insulation when wet, and it's less flamable (for those clumsy moments). We used to be issued wool LJ's in the Army before poly pro came out. They worked great and were comfortable after the 4th or 5th washing took the "scratchy" out. The new stuff is Merino Wool so it's designed to be softer.
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I use Hot Chillys thermal bottoms when I snowboard on powder days.
They keep me warm every time. I couldn't say the same for my UA top. |
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The .mil brown ones are the best money can buy. Water resistant and the warmest. I think they are made of Polypropaline, or something like that. I don't like polypro because it is bulky and makes you sweat a lot. |
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YES! So glad you started this thread - my favorite are the silkweight army issue (black) ECWS...the very thin ones. I wear the thick ones over them, but the silkweight are soooo nice....!!! Actually yes, I like these a lot- the shirts. The pants I can live without. They are just really thin, soft, and actually quite warm for a next-to-the-skin layer. |
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I appreciate all of your help. Apparently everyone in the metro area decided to buy LongJohn's this week, so it took a while to find some. After going to 1-Wal-Mart, 1-Target, 2-TJMaxx, and 4-Marshall's I finally found 2 pairs of the Hot Chilly's. Nothing else was in stock, but these should work just fine. Total out the door was $40 bucks, so the price was right.
Thanks again, Accountant |
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The cheaper Target or Wal-Mart version of Underarmor works just as well for a significant savings.
Avoid cotton as a base layer. Edit: I see I'm not the first on cotton. |
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Old cotton Long Johns work fine. Everybody wore those before the new types came out and they lived. The GI polypros and thermax stuff are far better. That's all I have experiance with. Cavemen wore animal skins too and I am sure they worked fine but we don't wear them anymore either. For me (and I did snow removal for 5 years with lots of winter hiking for recreation) the best way to go is lots of thin layers. I like thie underarmor type synthetic base layers if something is against your skin you want it to wick the moisture away from your body and dry quickily. |
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Academy had the silk sock liners for 50% off this week. Got to try'em out yesterday with a 12*F morning
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The .mil brown ones are the best money can buy. Water resistant and the warmest. I think they are made of Polypropaline, or something like that. I don't like polypro because it is bulky and makes you sweat a lot. You can get poly pro down to silkweight. I have a set of silkweight polypro bottoms (and mid weight which are still very thin compared to the brown mil polypro). |
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I wear the mil brown polypro's that the military issues me 2-3 pairs of every year.
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I am a sales rep for several apparel & footwear manufactures, I wont name the brands not sure of the rules for that on this forum. Here is the scoop on thermal underwear.
First off, do not wear cotton thermals. The reason is that, cotton will insulate, but as soon as it gets wet is looses all insulating properties. Cotton also does not breath and dry out. I am sure that everyone has been tubing or sledding in the snow with Jeans. Your jeans once wet never dry out. Same thing with cotton underwear, and also socks. Once your thermals or socks become wet, you will be cold for the rest of the day until you put dry clothes on. What you want is polypropolene (polypro). It is a man made material. It does not absorb moisture, think of fishing line. When water beads up on the line it runs down the line. Same thing happens with polypro. When moisture builds up on your skin, the moisture will bead up on the threads and travel to the next layer of clothing. This way your layer of clothing next to your skin stays dry. This works with socks or body wear. You can buy polypro underwear that is 100% polypro that is very thin, up to polypro that is woven with wool. You can obtain it in various thickness's as well. It all depends upon your own body heat. Everyone is different, what is warm to me may be cold to someone else. Silk garments work the same way as polypro. Mid price to higher price garments will work fine. The polypro that underarmour uses is the same that Doufold uses. In alot of cases of the higher priced garments, your paying for the name of the manufacture & the sports endorsees they sponsor. Too stay warm in the cold you need to layer your garment. Bodywear next to your skin (polypro, silk). The next layer should be an insulating layer, any fabric that insulates and will breath. You can one of more layers of this. The top or last layer needs to be a waterproof breathable fabric. This keeps out the moisture from the weather, then allows the moisture that has built up from your activity to evaporate out threw the layers. Dry means warm. |
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I am a sales rep for several apparel & footwear manufactures, I wont name the brands not sure of the rules for that on this forum. Here is the scoop on thermal underwear. First off, do not wear cotton thermals. The reason is that, cotton will insulate, but as soon as it gets wet is looses all insulating properties. Cotton also does not breath and dry out. I am sure that everyone has been tubing or sledding in the snow with Jeans. Your jeans once wet never dry out. Same thing with cotton underwear, and also socks. Once your thermals or socks become wet, you will be cold for the rest of the day until you put dry clothes on. What you want is polypropolene (polypro). It is a man made material. It does not absorb moisture, think of fishing line. When water beads up on the line it runs down the line. Same thing happens with polypro. When moisture builds up on your skin, the moisture will bead up on the threads and travel to the next layer of clothing. This way your layer of clothing next to your skin stays dry. This works with socks or body wear. You can buy polypro underwear that is 100% polypro that is very thin, up to polypro that is woven with wool. You can obtain it in various thickness's as well. It all depends upon your own body heat. Everyone is different, what is warm to me may be cold to someone else. Silk garments work the same way as polypro. Mid price to higher price garments will work fine. The polypro that underarmour uses is the same that Doufold uses. In alot of cases of the higher priced garments, your paying for the name of the manufacture & the sports endorsees they sponsor. Too stay warm in the cold you need to layer your garment. Bodywear next to your skin (polypro, silk). The next layer should be an insulating layer, any fabric that insulates and will breath. You can one of more layers of this. The top or last layer needs to be a waterproof breathable fabric. This keeps out the moisture from the weather, then allows the moisture that has built up from your activity to evaporate out threw the layers. Dry means warm. polypropylene |
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The .mil brown ones are the best money can buy. Water resistant and the warmest. I think they are made of Polypropaline, or something like that. I'm wearing mine right now... I like them for several reasons, saide from the fact that they work. They are good in a BOB because bacteria does grow as easily. Soldiers go a long time between showers, and it cuts down on the stink. I'd think that being out in cold conditions for a winter after a SHTF and not having laundry facilities available would make these pretty nice to have. |
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While on the expensive side, I have nothing but good things to report for the warmth factor from Underarmour Cold Gear. Be warned though, you'll want to buy at least one size larger (tops) unless you want to feel like your wearing a super tight wetsuit. Had the lower and uppers on under other appropriate layers last month during an 8-hour snowmobile trip through Yellowstone, where the high was 11 degrees. Never got cold! Have to agree with the Cold Gear, use it for hunting and hardly ever get too cold. A little on the expensive side, but worth every penny. way better than that stuff is the new wool cold weather gear made with superfine merino- no itches, very very warm no matter the level of wetness, and it resists stink 100 times better than any oil based synthetic. Did i mention it is non oil based? Patagonia/ Malden Mills (polarfleece) really has done a wonderful job advertising synthetics (oil based) over natural fibers. They use the words fleece, polar as if the material is as soft as lambswool or has a connection with a polarbear, but it is all just extruded oil. Yeah, patagonia is really environmentally friendly, i'll tell you. meanwhile wool is shunted off to the side, despite the fact that it is nearly fireproof in a way synthetics have no comparison, is as warm and it is grown on animals that we can take it off every 8-12 months. edit- Nice makers of superfine merino wool products : icebreaker (the most expensive, but also the nicest) smart wool, ibex, sherpa nui places to buy: http://www.powderfin.com, http://www.sundogtrading.com/about-us.html http://www.ramseyoutdoor.com/brand/bid-428/index.aspx rei, sierratrading post, and lotsa others |
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I am a sales rep for several apparel & footwear manufactures, I wont name the brands not sure of the rules for that on this forum. Here is the scoop on thermal underwear. First off, do not wear cotton thermals. The reason is that, cotton will insulate, but as soon as it gets wet is looses all insulating properties. Cotton also does not breath and dry out. I am sure that everyone has been tubing or sledding in the snow with Jeans. Your jeans once wet never dry out. Same thing with cotton underwear, and also socks. Once your thermals or socks become wet, you will be cold for the rest of the day until you put dry clothes on. What you want is polypropolene (polypro). It is a man made material. It does not absorb moisture, think of fishing line. When water beads up on the line it runs down the line. Same thing happens with polypro. When moisture builds up on your skin, the moisture will bead up on the threads and travel to the next layer of clothing. This way your layer of clothing next to your skin stays dry. This works with socks or body wear. You can buy polypro underwear that is 100% polypro that is very thin, up to polypro that is woven with wool. You can obtain it in various thickness's as well. It all depends upon your own body heat. Everyone is different, what is warm to me may be cold to someone else. Silk garments work the same way as polypro. Mid price to higher price garments will work fine. The polypro that underarmour uses is the same that Doufold uses. In alot of cases of the higher priced garments, your paying for the name of the manufacture & the sports endorsees they sponsor. Too stay warm in the cold you need to layer your garment. Bodywear next to your skin (polypro, silk). The next layer should be an insulating layer, any fabric that insulates and will breath. You can one of more layers of this. The top or last layer needs to be a waterproof breathable fabric. This keeps out the moisture from the weather, then allows the moisture that has built up from your activity to evaporate out threw the layers. Dry means warm. polypropylene yeah, and if you get any of it to hot it melts to your skin. wool +1 |
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I am a sales rep for several apparel & footwear manufactures, I wont name the brands not sure of the rules for that on this forum. Here is the scoop on thermal underwear. First off, do not wear cotton thermals. The reason is that, cotton will insulate, but as soon as it gets wet is looses all insulating properties. Cotton also does not breath and dry out. I am sure that everyone has been tubing or sledding in the snow with Jeans. Your jeans once wet never dry out. Same thing with cotton underwear, and also socks. Once your thermals or socks become wet, you will be cold for the rest of the day until you put dry clothes on. What you want is polypropolene (polypro). It is a man made material. It does not absorb moisture, think of fishing line. When water beads up on the line it runs down the line. Same thing happens with polypro. When moisture builds up on your skin, the moisture will bead up on the threads and travel to the next layer of clothing. This way your layer of clothing next to your skin stays dry. This works with socks or body wear. You can buy polypro underwear that is 100% polypro that is very thin, up to polypro that is woven with wool. You can obtain it in various thickness's as well. It all depends upon your own body heat. Everyone is different, what is warm to me may be cold to someone else. Silk garments work the same way as polypro. Mid price to higher price garments will work fine. The polypro that underarmour uses is the same that Doufold uses. In alot of cases of the higher priced garments, your paying for the name of the manufacture & the sports endorsees they sponsor. Too stay warm in the cold you need to layer your garment. Bodywear next to your skin (polypro, silk). The next layer should be an insulating layer, any fabric that insulates and will breath. You can one of more layers of this. The top or last layer needs to be a waterproof breathable fabric. This keeps out the moisture from the weather, then allows the moisture that has built up from your activity to evaporate out threw the layers. Dry means warm. polypropylene yeah, and if you get any of it to hot it melts to your skin. wool +1 I was addressing the spelling the sales rep for the product used. Wool is great but I use both wool and synthetic. |
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I am a sales rep for several apparel & footwear manufactures, I wont name the brands not sure of the rules for that on this forum. Here is the scoop on thermal underwear. First off, do not wear cotton thermals. The reason is that, cotton will insulate, but as soon as it gets wet is looses all insulating properties. Cotton also does not breath and dry out. I am sure that everyone has been tubing or sledding in the snow with Jeans. Your jeans once wet never dry out. Same thing with cotton underwear, and also socks. Once your thermals or socks become wet, you will be cold for the rest of the day until you put dry clothes on. What you want is polypropolene (polypro). It is a man made material. It does not absorb moisture, think of fishing line. When water beads up on the line it runs down the line. Same thing happens with polypro. When moisture builds up on your skin, the moisture will bead up on the threads and travel to the next layer of clothing. This way your layer of clothing next to your skin stays dry. This works with socks or body wear. You can buy polypro underwear that is 100% polypro that is very thin, up to polypro that is woven with wool. You can obtain it in various thickness's as well. It all depends upon your own body heat. Everyone is different, what is warm to me may be cold to someone else. Silk garments work the same way as polypro. Mid price to higher price garments will work fine. The polypro that underarmour uses is the same that Doufold uses. In alot of cases of the higher priced garments, your paying for the name of the manufacture & the sports endorsees they sponsor. Too stay warm in the cold you need to layer your garment. Bodywear next to your skin (polypro, silk). The next layer should be an insulating layer, any fabric that insulates and will breath. You can one of more layers of this. The top or last layer needs to be a waterproof breathable fabric. This keeps out the moisture from the weather, then allows the moisture that has built up from your activity to evaporate out threw the layers. Dry means warm. polypropylene yeah, and if you get any of it to hot it melts to your skin. wool +1 I was addressing the spelling the sales rep for the product used. Wool is great but I use both wool and synthetic. i was really directing it at the sales rep, but if you want to do spell checking for other people you might as well explain to him the difference between "loose" and "lose". He got the abbreviation right (polypro). |
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I am a sales rep for several apparel & footwear manufactures, I wont name the brands not sure of the rules for that on this forum. Here is the scoop on thermal underwear. First off, do not wear cotton thermals. The reason is that, cotton will insulate, but as soon as it gets wet is looses all insulating properties. Cotton also does not breath and dry out. I am sure that everyone has been tubing or sledding in the snow with Jeans. Your jeans once wet never dry out. Same thing with cotton underwear, and also socks. Once your thermals or socks become wet, you will be cold for the rest of the day until you put dry clothes on. What you want is polypropolene (polypro). It is a man made material. It does not absorb moisture, think of fishing line. When water beads up on the line it runs down the line. Same thing happens with polypro. When moisture builds up on your skin, the moisture will bead up on the threads and travel to the next layer of clothing. This way your layer of clothing next to your skin stays dry. This works with socks or body wear. You can buy polypro underwear that is 100% polypro that is very thin, up to polypro that is woven with wool. You can obtain it in various thickness's as well. It all depends upon your own body heat. Everyone is different, what is warm to me may be cold to someone else. Silk garments work the same way as polypro. Mid price to higher price garments will work fine. The polypro that underarmour uses is the same that Doufold uses. In alot of cases of the higher priced garments, your paying for the name of the manufacture & the sports endorsees they sponsor. Too stay warm in the cold you need to layer your garment. Bodywear next to your skin (polypro, silk). The next layer should be an insulating layer, any fabric that insulates and will breath. You can one of more layers of this. The top or last layer needs to be a waterproof breathable fabric. This keeps out the moisture from the weather, then allows the moisture that has built up from your activity to evaporate out threw the layers. Dry means warm. polypropylene yeah, and if you get any of it to hot it melts to your skin. wool +1 I was addressing the spelling the sales rep for the product used. Wool is great but I use both wool and synthetic. i was really directing it at the sales rep, but if you want to do spell checking for other people you might as well explain to him the difference between "loose" and "lose". He got the abbreviation right (polypro). I just thought it was weird since he sells the stuff. |
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you got a point. I wonder what he reps for-
poltax- no rules against saying who you rep for. |
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REI Silk Long Underwear sale
Are those any good? I just ordered a pair of pants and top... ~50% off!!! |
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