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Posted: 5/20/2009 12:12:35 PM EST
Assuming max distance of 200yds (100yds is probably more likely) and pigs of 150lbs or less (most likely).

What's a good rifle / cartridge combo? Shorter (rifle OAL) and lighter is better. Detachable magazine is a plus. 10rds or so is also a plus. Seems like most people generically say "30-30 class" cartridge.

I was looking at 6.8SPC, 6.5 Grendel, 300 Whisper, 30 RAR, etc. Also considering just a plain old 308 Win in a "lightweight" AR-10 upper or Remington Model 750.

Yes, I understand a 22LR in the brain will work. That's not in the spirit of the question.
Link Posted: 5/20/2009 12:51:00 PM EST
Anyone of those calibers will get the job done quite well. HTR has quite a few threads on the effectiveness of the 6.8 cartridge shooting barnes bullets with very impressive results. I've been using a ar and restricting myself to ear shots, but i'm in the process of building a lightweight 308 package. I would of went with a 6.8, but I have a huge supply of 308 bullets laying around.

Another direction would be a .50 wolf or .458 socom . Definetly a hog stopper.

Link Posted: 5/20/2009 1:25:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By michael_aos:
I was looking at 6.8SPC

There you go.
Link Posted: 5/20/2009 8:55:15 PM EST
I think your ideal package would be :

6.8 SPC in 16" lightweight profile barrel. These are currently made by ARPerformance, located in Colorado. You could also add Troy TRX extreme handguard as the 9" rail is only 6.5 ozs, and allows for a couple of rails to be attached. A Magpul CTR stock is light and strong.

You can use the Barnes 85 grain TSX's which come out of the 16" barrel at 3050 FPS in the SSA factory load, and can easily be loaded to about 3150 in handloads. I have killed many, many pigs with these and the 110 grain TTSX's.

While it is an outstanding pig killer, there is no .308 that would give you the same compact, lightweight package.

Here is a picture of something very similar with a VLTOR CASV - M. This is a Cardinal Armory 11 twist 4 groove barrel with SPC II chamber. It is the rifle on the top



Link Posted: 5/21/2009 6:07:15 AM EST
Short lightweight 100 yard pig rifle?

Winchester Trapper .44 magnum lever action rifle. A trapper .30-30 would work well too.

That's what I would grab out of the gun safe if I were chasing pigs today.

The other choices you listed are just fine for the job too. If I were building another AR for pig hunting (which I will soon) I think I would pick the 6.8 SPC.
Link Posted: 5/21/2009 7:11:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/21/2009 7:13:02 AM EST by marinesg1012]
I have to agree with HTR, if your building another AR and you want light and short I would go with the 6.8 if I was building a AR10 (or whatever you want to call the 308 AR) I would make it with at least a 20 inch barrel...

I have to agree with HTR as to the effectiveness of the 85 TSX this guy was about 160 meters off one shot with the 85 put him down and never moved...


Those 85's will also go through both shoulder of a hog no problem as we saw later that night when another guy hunting with us put the hurt on a 200 lber...
Link Posted: 5/21/2009 7:24:20 AM EST
Ruger Frontier or Savage Scout (especially with the detachable mag on the Savage) in .308.

Maybe a Remington Model Seven in 7mm-08.
Link Posted: 5/21/2009 1:15:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By Defensor_Fortis:
Ruger Frontier or Savage Scout (especially with the detachable mag on the Savage) in .308.

Maybe a Remington Model Seven in 7mm-08.


I really like all three of these rifles above for compactness and the rounds mentioned.

Except, with hogs, you really do need a semi-automatic. If you are going to do it right, the bolt gun just won't cut it if you get into a group like this:

Link Posted: 5/21/2009 1:59:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By hi-tech-rancher:
I think your ideal package would be :

6.8 SPC in 16" lightweight profile barrel. These are currently made by ARPerformance, located in Colorado. You could also add Troy TRX extreme handguard as the 9" rail is only 6.5 ozs, and allows for a couple of rails to be attached. A Magpul CTR stock is light and strong.

You can use the Barnes 85 grain TSX's which come out of the 16" barrel at 3050 FPS in the SSA factory load, and can easily be loaded to about 3150 in handloads. I have killed many, many pigs with these and the 110 grain TTSX's.

While it is an outstanding pig killer, there is no .308 that would give you the same compact, lightweight package.

Here is a picture of something very similar with a VLTOR CASV - M. This is a Cardinal Armory 11 twist 4 groove barrel with SPC II chamber. It is the rifle on the top

http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/dkred5854/January08028.jpg



You forgot the suppressor and NV.

Link Posted: 5/21/2009 2:33:01 PM EST
6.8 SPC

Make sure you use a bonded core bullet, or a Barnes. You should be GTG.
Link Posted: 5/22/2009 11:15:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By hi-tech-rancher:
Originally Posted By Defensor_Fortis:
Ruger Frontier or Savage Scout (especially with the detachable mag on the Savage) in .308.

Maybe a Remington Model Seven in 7mm-08.


I really like all three of these rifles above for compactness and the rounds mentioned.

Except, with hogs, you really do need a semi-automatic. If you are going to do it right, the bolt gun just won't cut it if you get into a group like this:

http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/dkred5854/Pigs-1.jpg


Is that your own ranch? I am jealous

Link Posted: 5/22/2009 3:04:00 PM EST
lever action in 454 or 480 Ruger would work well at those distances. Puma makes them both
Link Posted: 5/22/2009 8:08:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By CORNHOLIO1:
Is that your own ranch? I am jealous



yes it is HTR's place....
Link Posted: 6/2/2009 8:58:47 AM EST
You've pretty much convinced me to go 6.8SPC over 300 Whisper or 30 Remington AR.

Where's a good place to get a ~16" upper with the right twist and chamber configuration?

SPC II? 1:11" twist? Sounds like I'll be using the 85gr TSX exclusively.
Link Posted: 6/2/2009 4:24:14 PM EST
http://www.ar15performance.com/home
Link Posted: 6/2/2009 5:00:17 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/2/2009 8:59:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2009 9:00:10 PM EST by michael_aos]
Curiously AR15 Performance is right down the road from me. They don't seem to be very well-known locally.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 2:46:25 PM EST
.458 SOCOM.
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 2:53:59 PM EST
This might be a stupid question, but why not 7.62x39? Seems like it would be cheaper to plink with and good ammo is available for it most places..200 yards is not out of line for it I don't think.

Just curious.

I have heard rumors that there are some feral pigs up here but have not seens any. Seen turkeys though. No bag, size, season, or possession limits on feral animals...
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 2:56:09 PM EST
.50 Beowulf
Link Posted: 6/4/2009 2:56:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By yekimak:
This might be a stupid question, but why not 7.62x39? Seems like it would be cheaper to plink with and good ammo is available for it most places..200 yards is not out of line for it I don't think.

Just curious.

I have heard rumors that there are some feral pigs up here but have not seens any. Seen turkeys though. No bag, size, season, or possession limits on feral animals...

45-70 Marlin

Link Posted: 6/4/2009 6:57:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By yekimak:
This might be a stupid question, but why not 7.62x39? Seems like it would be cheaper to plink with and good ammo is available for it most places..200 yards is not out of line for it I don't think.

Just curious.

I have heard rumors that there are some feral pigs up here but have not seens any. Seen turkeys though. No bag, size, season, or possession limits on feral animals...


7.62x39 is an excellent round to hunt with, but you really need to get a reliable magazine. You don't want the bolt to get stuck on the second round on a wild hog follow up shot. I made the mistake buying Cproducts magazine. I had to pay $8 bucks to send them back. One guy had to send his back 3 times. $8x3=$24. $24 could buy another mag!
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:21:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 3:26:02 AM EST by eracer]

Originally Posted By yekimak:
This might be a stupid question, but why not 7.62x39? Seems like it would be cheaper to plink with and good ammo is available for it most places..200 yards is not out of line for it I don't think.

Just curious.

I have heard rumors that there are some feral pigs up here but have not seens any. Seen turkeys though. No bag, size, season, or possession limits on feral animals...


A 7.62x39 bullet only has 800-1100 ft.lb. at 200 yards. To me, that sounds pretty marginal for a hog, especially when the bullet drop is almost a foot at that range. Feral or not, nuisance or not, I like a clean one-shot kill, and that round doesn't do it for me at that range. 100 yards and in? No problem.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 4:56:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By eracer:

Originally Posted By yekimak:
This might be a stupid question, but why not 7.62x39? Seems like it would be cheaper to plink with and good ammo is available for it most places..200 yards is not out of line for it I don't think.

Just curious.

I have heard rumors that there are some feral pigs up here but have not seens any. Seen turkeys though. No bag, size, season, or possession limits on feral animals...


A 7.62x39 bullet only has 800-1100 ft.lb. at 200 yards. To me, that sounds pretty marginal for a hog, especially when the bullet drop is almost a foot at that range. Feral or not, nuisance or not, I like a clean one-shot kill, and that round doesn't do it for me at that range. 100 yards and in? No problem.



I am not a ballistic expert or anything. But I zeroed my M1S @ 100 yds and can hit a 6" gong at around 215 yds without holding over......... consistantly
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 6:06:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 6:06:50 AM EST by eracer]

Originally Posted By CORNHOLIO1:
Originally Posted By eracer:

Originally Posted By yekimak:
This might be a stupid question, but why not 7.62x39? Seems like it would be cheaper to plink with and good ammo is available for it most places..200 yards is not out of line for it I don't think.

Just curious.

I have heard rumors that there are some feral pigs up here but have not seens any. Seen turkeys though. No bag, size, season, or possession limits on feral animals...


A 7.62x39 bullet only has 800-1100 ft.lb. at 200 yards. To me, that sounds pretty marginal for a hog, especially when the bullet drop is almost a foot at that range. Feral or not, nuisance or not, I like a clean one-shot kill, and that round doesn't do it for me at that range. 100 yards and in? No problem.



I am not a ballistic expert or anything. But I zeroed my M1S @ 100 yds and can hit a 6" gong at around 215 yds without holding over......... consistantly

I looked it up and you're right. I must have been thinking of its trajectory at 300 yards. Six inches low at 200 yards isn't bad. And a well placed shot with 1000 ft. lbs. will probably do a decent job on a hog.

I stand corrected.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 7:58:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Short lightweight 100 yard pig rifle?

Winchester Trapper .44 magnum lever action rifle. A trapper .30-30 would work well too.

That's what I would grab out of the gun safe if I were chasing pigs today.

The other choices you listed are just fine for the job too. If I were building another AR for pig hunting (which I will soon) I think I would pick the 6.8 SPC.


My John Wayne Special Winchester Model 94 .44 Mag always does a number on large swine if I don't have my 5.56mm handy!

Link Posted: 6/5/2009 8:10:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 8:10:47 AM EST by eracer]

Originally Posted By SkyPup:
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Short lightweight 100 yard pig rifle?

Winchester Trapper .44 magnum lever action rifle. A trapper .30-30 would work well too.

That's what I would grab out of the gun safe if I were chasing pigs today.

The other choices you listed are just fine for the job too. If I were building another AR for pig hunting (which I will soon) I think I would pick the 6.8 SPC.


My John Wayne Special Winchester Model 94 .44 Mag always does a number on large swine if I don't have my 5.56mm handy!

http://www.phossil.com/thom/Hogzilla.jpg


That's one big sow!
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 9:04:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By eracer:

Originally Posted By SkyPup:
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Short lightweight 100 yard pig rifle?

Winchester Trapper .44 magnum lever action rifle. A trapper .30-30 would work well too.

That's what I would grab out of the gun safe if I were chasing pigs today.

The other choices you listed are just fine for the job too. If I were building another AR for pig hunting (which I will soon) I think I would pick the 6.8 SPC.


My John Wayne Special Winchester Model 94 .44 Mag always does a number on large swine if I don't have my 5.56mm handy!

http://www.phossil.com/thom/Hogzilla.jpg


That's one big sow!



Is that a domestic pig?
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 9:27:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 9:31:05 AM EST by SkyPup]
Originally Posted By CORNHOLIO1:
Originally Posted By eracer:

Originally Posted By SkyPup:
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Short lightweight 100 yard pig rifle?

Winchester Trapper .44 magnum lever action rifle. A trapper .30-30 would work well too.

That's what I would grab out of the gun safe if I were chasing pigs today.

The other choices you listed are just fine for the job too. If I were building another AR for pig hunting (which I will soon) I think I would pick the 6.8 SPC.


My John Wayne Special Winchester Model 94 .44 Mag always does a number on large swine if I don't have my 5.56mm handy!

http://www.phossil.com/thom/Hogzilla.jpg


That's one big sow!



Is that a domestic pig?


It is a dead feral Yorkshire sow.

One Hornady .44 MAG 300 grain JHP @ 50 yards.


Link Posted: 6/5/2009 10:02:39 AM EST
While all the lever guns mentioned above are more than capable of getting the job done. None have detachable mags, or are capable of holding more than 10 rounds like the OP is looking for. The 6.8 is going to be hard to beat for the application at hand. (lightweight package, adequate stopping power, mag capacity)
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 11:43:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By km2006dmax:
While all the lever guns mentioned above are more than capable of getting the job done. None have detachable mags, or are capable of holding more than 10 rounds like the OP is looking for. The 6.8 is going to be hard to beat for the application at hand. (lightweight package, adequate stopping power, mag capacity)


Thats true. 6.8 is a pretty damn good round. I am trying to build a 6.5MPC just because you don't need to buy special mags or parts for it. Its not as good as a 6.8SPC from what I understand, but can used formed 223 brass and 6.5 bullets.
Link Posted: 6/8/2009 2:20:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By km2006dmax:
While all the lever guns mentioned above are more than capable of getting the job done. None have detachable mags, or are capable of holding more than 10 rounds like the OP is looking for. The 6.8 is going to be hard to beat for the application at hand. (lightweight package, adequate stopping power, mag capacity)


Ding, ding, ding.

We have a winner!
Link Posted: 6/8/2009 3:45:32 PM EST
6.8 or .458 socom. I have the .458 and am building the 6.8. The distance you really think you are going to hit them at is the key indicator. That being said the .458 is an absolute sledgehammer and accuracy is good within 150 m
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 9:26:48 AM EST
I've found I can hit them just about anywhere and drop them with my .458 SOCOM and the Corbon 300gr JHP. I've dropped several that I hit running with poorly placed shots....i.e center of mass or in the ass running away from me and the dropped w/o taking another step. 75-150 lb range.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 11:30:56 AM EST
Hogs around here are not that large, and with the heavy cover, the shot distance is close. I have found that my Bushmaster .223 with my hand loads works well.
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