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Posted: 1/18/2009 9:02:06 PM EDT
Hey guys i got offered on what seems like a pretty good deal. A 1992 range rover 4x4 clean condidtion with about 90k miles, for a thousand dollars my boss just wants to get rid of it to free up space, i know ive heard of land rovers being unreliable, but what about the ranges.
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That seems like a pretty good deal.
Take it to a local mechanic and get I the once over though. Just tell the boss it is SOP so he won;t get mad or offended. |
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Get to know your local Land Rover mechanic. Pray that you never have to have any work done at a dealership. Make sure you always have extra money around for random various bits. Know that anything beyond wiper blades aren't going to be stocked by most auto parts stores. If you have a strict homeowner's association, be prepared to be written up for oil stains.
I had a '96 discovery, and was "reliable", but the amount I spent keeping it reliable was insane. I love the design and the heritage of Land Rovers, but LR never had a foothold in the US, which really hurts the used LR owners. They are decent vehicles, but for the up front amount, plus regular parts and upkeep, IMO does not get you any benefits worth that money. |
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Get to know your local Land Rover mechanic. Pray that you never have to have any work done at a dealership. Make sure you always have extra money around for random various bits. Know that anything beyond wiper blades aren't going to be stocked by most auto parts stores. If you have a strict homeowner's association, be prepared to be written up for oil stains. I had a '96 discovery, and was "reliable", but the amount I spent keeping it reliable was insane. I love the design and the heritage of Land Rovers, but LR never had a foothold in the US, which really hurts the used LR owners. They are decent vehicles, but for the up front amount, plus regular parts and upkeep, IMO does not get you any benefits worth that money. and a Suburban will give you more room, more power, and more mpg. |
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Shoot. For 1K I'd buy it for resale if I didnt like it.
Another thing. Aluminum body = no rust I dont know how it is trying to find parts, but I'm sure there are some issues. Drive it till it breaks. I'm sure you'll get your 1K worth. When it breaks, find a domestic engine tranny conversion that will work best and swap it out. Wether I sold it for profit, or drive it, I would do the deal. Good luck. |
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$1000 aint much money probably for a 92 Range Rover but you probably will be buying lots of trouble.
I know several people that had Land Rover Discoverys and they all had nothing but trouble and was expensive to get worked on. I knew a couple that had a 99 range rover that was so bad they were always trying to borry my friends cars if they had to drive more then 50-60 miles I think as a BOV it would probably be the worst possiable choice. A very unreliable truck with parts that are probably for practical purposes impossiable to get. Also very high profile...to most people a Range Rover says MONEY probably not the image you want to project Maybe you could resell it and make some money but might not be as easy as you think to make much. While very expensive new they have pretty awfull resale vaule which is probably why you can get it for a grand. Don't know how it is in your state but here when you buy a car you have to get it inspected. With somthing like this to get it through inspection could really add to the price too...Todd |
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Ask the owner what he has had to do it as far as repairs. Ask him where he had it serviced. Run searches to see who in the area does a good job at working on these and research the place the owner used.
If it is the big top of the line model I would take it since I think they are a neat vehicle but can be very problem prone. Depending on what engine it has in it you may have all sorts of options for swaps if that is your thing. They used a buick bolt pattern since they had a build style engine for a long period of time. And other than making the sucker fit you can bolt in a buick, olds, pontiac, or cadillac type engine. These are old style engine back when everyone had their own engines, like in the 60s and 70s and part of the 80s. You won't be dropping a nothstar caddy engine in there easily I reckon. But an old 472 or 500 caddy would work. Course then you break the rest of the drivetrain if you have a heavy foot. Around here we don't have safety or emission inspections so I can get away with a lot more when it comes to keeping something running. But if it has been a good vehicle I would leave it stock, they are a nice and rather capable vehicle. |
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pass, I have friends that have dropped $20,000 in repairs on a 2005 model.
the older ones are worse. the Dfender has some promise, but the range rovers/land rovers are shit IMO. |
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$1k is not far off what those are going for.
Electrical and mechanical nightmares. Land Rover NA does not stock or sell parts that are specific for vehicles built before 1995. You'll get to know Rovers North. http://www.roversnorth.com/store/ Parts can, and usually are, very expensive. Frames rust. Tailgates rust. Serious electrolytic corrosion on the aluminum body panels can occur. Woefully underpowered. The air suspension, if equipped, is terrible. Replace that at the first opportunity. Some fairly bizarre engineering. Very, very good off road, but very, very high maintenance. It will never not have something broken/not working. And to prove I'm not a hater, here was my last Rover. Wish I still had it... |
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I don't want to be negative here guys but everything I ever owned that was English was drive it fix it.
Tj |
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To be honest I wouldn't touch the damn thing. If he was giving it away, yes. Other than free, NO.
There are too many domestic platforms for $1000 or less that will make AWESOME 4x4 BOV's. I just bought a 1994 Grand Cherokee for $500 with a blown engine. I bought a used engine for $400 and with upgrades and "while I was in there" maintenance I will have just under $1000 in a good vehicle. This is all because I am doing all of the work. |
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After owning two Land Rovers, A defender 90 and a Disco, I can say even at a $1000.00 you will regret it
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To be honest I wouldn't touch the damn thing. If he was giving it away, yes. Other than free, NO. There are too many domestic platforms for $1000 or less that will make AWESOME 4x4 BOV's. I just bought a 1994 Grand Cherokee for $500 with a blown engine. I bought a used engine for $400 and with upgrades and "while I was in there" maintenance I will have just under $1000 in a good vehicle. This is all because I am doing all of the work. One point on prices - a "new" engine for RR from atlanticbritish is $8000. A used engine is $3-4k from junkyards. Compare that with the $400 jeep engine. As a BOV, it would be one of the worst options. As a backup, not depended on fun vehicle, it would be ok if you can put up with the parts and maintenance. Just as a for example: My '96 disco has 4 O2 sensors. Some folks have hacked in some $80 injectors from nissan, but the long term effects of the swap is not know, and requires rewiring. If you are driving long distances, and you have issues with an O2 sensor, the dealer will be the only place that you will want to trust to diagnose and fix your RR. The LR dealership charges $500 PER O2 sensor. That is $2000 just in parts to put in new O2 sensors, if you are forced to use a dealership. One last point. I get better mileage with my 2500HD 6.0 than I did with my LR, and have more payload, towing, and a better ride. |
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I have two Land Rovers, including a 92 Range Rover. The Rangie has never failed to start or run, but they do require more repairs and maintenance than average. The electrical accessories, such as power seats, heated seats, etc., are prone to failure but the major systems are fairly robust. The other problem areas are: head gaskets, valley gaskets, exhaust gaskets and eventual failure of the viscous coupling (transfer case), and ignition amplifier. The braking system uses a hydraulic pump rather than vacuum booster and parts replacement can be prohibitively expensive.
The frame, lower tailgate, sills, floors and inner fenders are all steel. Only outer panels are aluminum. The steel is not galvanized, so it will rust unless treated w/ waxoyl or other treatment. Offroad capability in stock form is fantastic. On-road comfort is good, but handling is sluggish and performance is mediocre. Fuel consumption will be between 11 & 15 mpg, no better. A grand is a decent price for the truck, esp if it has been well maintained. You could sell it for scrap for nearly that. You could drive it a while and scrap it if/when something major breaks. It makes a decent vehicle if you maintain it yourself, but repairs at a shop will be expensive. I wouldn't count on it as a BOV if you figure it must survive w/o maintenance for a year or more. But as a backup vehicle, they're nice. More info can be found at discoweb.org and rangerovers.net. Parts are at roversnorth.com, atlanticbritish.com and britishpacific.com. |
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Rip out anything that says Lucas. Stick in Bosch parts.
Rip out all the wiring and start from scratch with marine quality looms and seals, and you'll instantly increase the reliability. Double or triple check every ground point and make sure it's properly grounded. Rip out anything that says Lucas. Did I say rip out anything that says Lucas yet? If not, rip out anything that says Lucas. Go on eBay or find someone locally with it and get/print out the big service manual. (2 big binders, not the little booklet from Chiltons). |
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Rip out anything that says Lucas. Stick in Bosch parts. Rip out all the wiring and start from scratch with marine quality looms and seals, and you'll instantly increase the reliability. Double or triple check every ground point and make sure it's properly grounded. Rip out anything that says Lucas. Did I say rip out anything that says Lucas yet? If not, rip out anything that says Lucas. Go on eBay or find someone locally with it and get/print out the big service manual. (2 big binders, not the little booklet from Chiltons). I was laughing very hard at this post. That's a BTDT post if I ever saw one. |
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Lucas Humor
Also it would seem that Ford buying Jaguar has allowed some former Lucas engineers to have input on Ford truck wiring as well. My 98 Ranger my Dad's 99 F250 and a guy I know's 2000 Ford van all seem to have Lucas like electrical reliability once they hit 90K. |
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I would buy it but I wouldn't rely on it for a BOV, unless that's all you have. I have had family members who owned them and they are incredible off road but a nightmare when it comes to electrical issues. Rust is almost a given on any Rover, especially that age. Good luck and stock up on as many parts as you can afford.
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My daily driver. 97 Discovery Series I, 175,000 miles. I wouldn't part from my Disco. Is it practical? not really. Underpowered on the road and14 mpg on premium fuel. You will damage the engines if you don't run premium fuel. But if set up right it will go anywhere offroad you need to go. Maintenance is the key to any Rover. If it has been maintained it will most likely be dependable. If not, run as far away as possible. Most older Rovers on the market need at least $2-3grand in repairs due to neglect. Parts are very expensive and not available locally that same day, but you don't want to use Autozone for your parts. As stated earlier you will become intimate with Rovers North or British Atlantic. If not already done, replace the air suspension with coil springs. Make sure you can trouble shoot the 12volt electrical system. The little things break, the mechanicals are solid. Should you buy it? If you can't work on your own vehicles I wouldn't recommend it. Hard to find someone to fix it right and the dealer is ridiculously overpriced on everything. If it has good body panels and in decent shape, it is worth more than that for parts. Check out this Rover forum, there are some very knowledgeable guys on there. They are friendly and willing to answer your questions. (Just do a search first before asking.) http://landroverforums.com/ ETA One of the guys on the forum has a sig line I love, i believe it's: "Owning a Land Rover is like dating a supermodel, she bitches alot, is high maintenance and has expensive taste, but...Damn. |
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Lucas Humor Also it would seem that Ford buying Jaguar has allowed some former Lucas engineers to have input on Ford truck wiring as well. My 98 Ranger my Dad's 99 F250 and a guy I know's 2000 Ford van all seem to have Lucas like electrical reliability once they hit 90K. It's amazing how true that link is. Damn things never work right once that magical smoke is released. After the pic of mine and the amount of miles it has, it should be obvious how I know that. |
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I know guys that, in a true large-scale long-term SHTF, will shoot at Range Rovers just on principle (its an eat-the-rich type thing). I don't know how they'd feel about the older ones though . . . .
If I were you I'd pass . . . . |
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ok just got some more info.... its a 1992 county lwb version. does this make any difference.
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I don't want to be negative here guys but everything I ever owned that was English was drive it fix it. Tj DING DING DING, we have a WINNER! Land Rover = British = Breaks down often = $$$$$ Buy a 10 or 20 year old Chevy or Ford. Generally American vehicles used to be overbuilt/under spec-ed. Straight axled front ends = Win. Simple, reliable and even when they start to wear out, they still work. (That is not an excuse to ignore routine maintanence) Parts are easier to come by, are more generic, which means they cross more years and models then other vehicles and are cheaper. A perfect example is buying aftermarket Warn lockout hubs. The hubs fit just about any model Dana 44 front end from 1966 to 1996 on the Fords and many Chevy and Dodge models too. I took a Dana 44 front axle from a 1971 bronco and installed it in my 1993 Ranger and it was darn near a bolt in operation. Spring and shock spacing fit the Ranger frame perfectly as did the control arms. Steering was just as easy. The front driveshaft even bolted up unmodified. The front axle was upgraded with parts from about 5 different trucks of varying years and models from 1971 to 1986 from both Chevy and Ford. All parts were bolt in with zero modification. |
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"ok just got some more info.... its a 1992 county lwb version. does this make any difference."
There were no LWBs in 1992. If it is an LWB it would be a 1993 or later. I have a 1995 LWB. I have owned 16 rovers and still have the LWB and three more. A 1993 LWB from Texas with only 90k is worth much more than $1000. Does it still have air suspension? Does it have any idiot lights on? No rust and low miles would mean that it would fetch at least twice that on ebay assuming it is not beat to snot or broken seriously. There are a number of people who sell used rover parts and there are a couple good places to buy them from new. check out www.D-90.com and www.discoweb.org I am evilfij on D-90 and Ron and discoweb Remember, Rovers are often broken, but rarely broken down. |
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ok i will check on the year model again... he told me 92 but i looked and it is a county lwb model
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update–– i got some more info on the rover. the owner had many electronics replaced and the starter replaced a couple yrs ago i saw the reciepts for the work it totaled 2800. he also had the air suspension replaced with coils. it is very clean for its age. somebody talk me out of this. i think i may be able to get it for $750
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update–– i got some more info on the rover. the owner had many electronics replaced and the starter replaced a couple yrs ago i saw the reciepts for the work it totaled 2800. he also had the air suspension replaced with coils. it is very clean for its age. somebody talk me out of this. i think i may be able to get it for $750 You've already been told that "if you want to maintain a supermodel then go for it" you've also been warned that "powder and paint makes a woman what she aint" Look around!!11 people are selling their YARD ART. People are selling their nonperforming assets to downsize their households. The Range Rover never compared well to the same year Chevy Suburban. The Chevy will run cheaper and with less fuss. If you like Ford, Dodge, Toyota, or Nissan fine; they whip the Rover too. There is a reason the Rover is only bought and sold in the "classic" car market If he really wants to get rid of it he will thank God you did not charge mileage to haul it away, and I still think you will have paid too much. |
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It is just they require high, expensive maintenance in the US. Don't worry, they're crap in the rest of the world too Awesome off road when they work though. |
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"ok just got some more info.... its a 1992 county lwb version. does this make any difference." There were no LWBs in 1992. If it is an LWB it would be a 1993 or later. I have a 1995 LWB. I have owned 16 rovers and still have the LWB and three more. A 1993 LWB from Texas with only 90k is worth much more than $1000. Does it still have air suspension? Does it have any idiot lights on? No rust and low miles would mean that it would fetch at least twice that on ebay assuming it is not beat to snot or broken seriously. There are a number of people who sell used rover parts and there are a couple good places to buy them from new. check out www.D-90.com and www.discoweb.org I am evilfij on D-90 and Ron and discoweb Remember, Rovers are often broken, but rarely broken down. EvilFJ, your name is familiar....did you used to post over on pirate4x4? |
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update–– i got some more info on the rover. the owner had many electronics replaced and the starter replaced a couple yrs ago i saw the reciepts for the work it totaled 2800. he also had the air suspension replaced with coils. it is very clean for its age. somebody talk me out of this. i think i may be able to get it for $750 If your handy with a wrench, have some electrical knowledge, and have the time, 750 would be hard to pass up. Just be forewarned that its not a Toyota. |
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I would not consider it a bug out vehicle.
If it blows up on the way home will you be mad at your boss? For 750 I would buy it and drive it on the street for a while and as issues cropped up I would probably turn it into a toy for the off road park near me. It is worth about that much for scrap and parts I figure. But keep in mind I am the sort of person who would swap the engine out to something older and simpler if I felt the need to do so. I would re do the brakes to skip the abs module if it acted like the one mentioned in a post above. Until proven reliable I don't consider it a bug out vehicle. But for 750 I would have me some fun and then part it out have me some leather bucket seats for the man room, a leather bench seat for a foot rest, and a lot of metal for the scrap yard. |
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I would not consider it a bug out vehicle. If it blows up on the way home will you be mad at your boss? For 750 I would buy it and drive it on the street for a while and as issues cropped up I would probably turn it into a toy for the off road park near me. It is worth about that much for scrap and parts I figure. But keep in mind I am the sort of person who would swap the engine out to something older and simpler if I felt the need to do so. I would re do the brakes to skip the abs module if it acted like the one mentioned in a post above. Until proven reliable I don't consider it a bug out vehicle. But for 750 I would have me some fun and then part it out have me some leather bucket seats for the man room, a leather bench seat for a foot rest, and a lot of metal for the scrap yard. The engines themselves on these trucks are fine. The problems are caused by the EFI. These can be adapted: 215 Buick Intake Chevy Throttle body controlled by this |
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For $750 - $1K, just get it and enjoy it. I'd pay that much for it in a heartbeat, but I can also take care of it myself. If you're still interested after hearing about the potential downside, you obviously want it. So just get it already!
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Rip out anything that says Lucas. Stick in Bosch parts. Rip out all the wiring and start from scratch with marine quality looms and seals, and you'll instantly increase the reliability. Double or triple check every ground point and make sure it's properly grounded. Rip out anything that says Lucas. Did I say rip out anything that says Lucas yet? If not, rip out anything that says Lucas. Go on eBay or find someone locally with it and get/print out the big service manual. (2 big binders, not the little booklet from Chiltons). you wont need to, it will already be missing (never installed at factory) or it will have already caught fire and be nothing but a pile of ash..... Lucas |
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How does the quote go?
"8 out of 10 Rovers made are still on yhe road today, the other 2 made it home" I'd pass myself (Landcruiser junkie here though) |
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I would probably buy it for $750. I personally like Rovers, don't have many problems with mine. But it was and is maintained. Maintenance is the key. Yes parts are extremely expensive, eventually you will have electrical issues. If you can turn a wrench or troubleshoot the electrical yourself, it is not much more expensive than taking any other car to a mechanic. Do not buy the cheapest parts you can find at your local autoparts store. Use Rovers North or British Atlantic they sell OE or after market parts that will work.
You hear alot of people complain about buying a POS Rover, 9 times out of 10 they are used. As I stated in my post earlier, most used Rovers on the market are not maintained and need several grand in repairs to get them back in good mechanical condition. Hence, the reason the original owner got rid of them, they were too expensive for them to maintain. NEVER buy a Rover without maintenance records. Everybody that is hyping up the Chevys, I've owned 3 Chevy trucks/SUVs. They were the biggest POS I have ever owned. The 4L60E trans took a shit anywhere from 60 - 95,000 miles. Just all around problems. My Rover is nowhere near the expense or problem that my S-10 ZR2 was. Every time I took it off-road it broke. As usual YMMV. |
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Rip out anything that says Lucas. Stick in Bosch parts. Rip out all the wiring and start from scratch with marine quality looms and seals, and you'll instantly increase the reliability. Double or triple check every ground point and make sure it's properly grounded. Rip out anything that says Lucas. Did I say rip out anything that says Lucas yet? If not, rip out anything that says Lucas. Go on eBay or find someone locally with it and get/print out the big service manual. (2 big binders, not the little booklet from Chiltons). Why do the British drink warm beer? Because Lucas makes refrigerators..... |
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Rip out anything that says Lucas. Stick in Bosch parts. Rip out all the wiring and start from scratch with marine quality looms and seals, and you'll instantly increase the reliability. Double or triple check every ground point and make sure it's properly grounded. Rip out anything that says Lucas. Did I say rip out anything that says Lucas yet? If not, rip out anything that says Lucas. Go on eBay or find someone locally with it and get/print out the big service manual. (2 big binders, not the little booklet from Chiltons). Why do the British drink warm beer? Because Lucas makes refrigerators..... I'll be quoting this |
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my BOV is a Series III - granted that's a different beast, but still the same family. Parts are easy to come by and currently cheap, thank you MOD.
The good thing about Rovers is that there are a ton of DIY manuals - partly a reflection of the vehicles and partly a reflection of the owners! I'd buy that Range Rover and enjoy it - and when it is possible, swap out major parts with US equivalents. In the years Land Rover has been in the states, this is a very common thing - you'll find a lot of US engines, cooling systems, etc placed in Landies to improve reliability - just make sure you document everything so you or your mechanic can repair it. Go For It! Mike |
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I have to admit for $750 I would buy it and run it until it dies.
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The only thing I did not like about my Land Rover Discovery was the mileage. 13 MPG city OR hwy. In a SHTF, you will need to make sure you have PLENTY of gas available.
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Rip out anything that says Lucas. Stick in Bosch parts. Rip out all the wiring and start from scratch with marine quality looms and seals, and you'll instantly increase the reliability. Double or triple check every ground point and make sure it's properly grounded. Rip out anything that says Lucas. Did I say rip out anything that says Lucas yet? If not, rip out anything that says Lucas. Go on eBay or find someone locally with it and get/print out the big service manual. (2 big binders, not the little booklet from Chiltons). Why do the British drink warm beer? Because Lucas makes refrigerators..... I'll be quoting this Why don't the British make computers? They can't figure out how to make them leak oil. ETA: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/199/503644386_ba2d414e8d.jpg?v=0 I hear Lucas makes the only vacuum cleaner that doesn't suck! |
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