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Posted: 7/1/2011 7:36:36 AM EDT
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Realistically you won't be able to tell the difference in rifle if someone blindfolded you and handed you all three to shoot. The deer won't know the difference either.
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Posted: 7/1/2011 7:40:02 AM EDT
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But if I am going out to 200 yards possibly...the smaller the better, correct?
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Posted: 7/1/2011 7:54:11 AM EDT
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Quoted: But if I am going out to 200 yards possibly...the smaller the better, correct? All 3 will be good to 200 yards. They are pretty much equal for hunting. One may have a "little" better data than another, but all 3 are proven deer calibers. The advantage of the 3006 and 308, is that you can find surplus ammo for range time. The 270 tends to run full price, unless catching a sale somewhere. Also the 3006 and 308 for the most part can be found just about anywhere in a variety of grain loadings. The 270 can be a little harder to find in some remote areas, and some places might not have the grain loading you desire. ETA: although not in your listed calibers, another consideration is the 30-30. |
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Posted: 7/1/2011 8:01:12 AM EDT
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But if I am going out to 200 yards possibly...the smaller the better, correct? In that group, I'd call them all equal from the muzzle to 400 yards. Once past that, you can start to see differences between the calibers. The chances of needing to shoot that far while hunting are exceedingly remote. |
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Posted: 7/1/2011 8:28:31 AM EDT
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I love the .270....Not sure why though, but it shoots straight and hits hard.
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Posted: 7/1/2011 9:54:03 AM EDT
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I would pick the 30-06 simply because of the wide variety of ammo that is available off the shelf.
My second choice would be the .308, just because I love my Remington 700 chambered in .308. |
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Posted: 7/1/2011 10:11:03 AM EDT
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Really no difference IMHO.
I hunt with a 30-06 and love it. 308 is a short action, 270 and -06 are long. There are alot of choices in 30 cal for the reloader too. 270 is considered a flatter shooing, longer range gun - typically a favorite out west. 30-06 can shoot heavier bullets - so if you ever want elk, moose etc this may be the way to go, although the 270 is capable of taking them too. |
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Posted: 7/1/2011 11:23:53 AM EDT
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Realistically you won't be able to tell the difference in rifle if someone blindfolded you and handed you all three to shoot. The deer won't know the difference either. This. The ballistic difference between them is negligible. We are.talking only a couple of inches difference out to 500 or more yards. Your ability to judge distance and the wind is much .more important then the difference between those three rounds. I have 2 atr100s in 30-06. Great rifle for cheap price. I picked one up in an auction for $200 and it had a leopold 3-9 on it. But the cheap atr combo has crappy scope mounts. Had to replace them after they broke on a hunt. Good.news is they have the same hole spacing as a remington 700 |
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Posted: 7/2/2011 4:56:38 AM EDT
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30-06, ease in finding ammo anywhere. 270 and 308 can be harder to find sometimes. 30-06 can be used for bear, elk, moose also
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Posted: 7/2/2011 2:51:11 PM EDT
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But if I am going out to 200 yards possibly...the smaller the better, correct? In that group, I'd call them all equal from the muzzle to 400 yards. Once past that, you can start to see differences between the calibers. The chances of needing to shoot that far while hunting are exceedingly remote. This, by the bucket full. |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 9:15:53 PM EDT
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Realistically you won't be able to tell the difference in rifle if someone blindfolded you and handed you all three to shoot. The deer won't know the difference either. First post nails it as usual. For the overwhelming majority of whitetail hunting situations, there is no appreciable difference in performance between the three you listed. While the fanboys for each of the three you listed will almost certainly jump in to preach the virtues of their favorite of the three, the truth is all three will perform almost identical in real life in the field. They are all serious deer killers. In fact a list of the top 10 deer calibers of all time would contain all three of the calibers you listed. Hell, they might all be in the top five if you ask me. If I had to pick one, I'd go .308. I'm fond of 30 caliber bullets because there is such a ridiculously huge selection. Short acions are nice too. Adrock1 |
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Posted: 7/5/2011 11:45:02 PM EDT
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no .243?
Go for .270 |
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Posted: 7/6/2011 3:39:52 AM EDT
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30-06 would be what I would suggest. Large enough to hunt just about whatever you want in North America.
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Posted: 7/6/2011 10:20:32 AM EDT
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I own all three and they are all great. Just something about the 06 though. Thats what I would go with if I had to pick one.
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Posted: 7/6/2011 10:26:57 AM EDT
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30-06 would be what I would suggest. Large enough to hunt just about whatever you want in North America. My favorite big game caliber as well. VERY capable elk gun! |
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Posted: 7/6/2011 7:46:13 PM EDT
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edge in 30-06.
detachable mag, most versatile caliber in NA, can change the barrel out to 25-06, 270, 35 whelen, 308, and others, for no more than the cost of a barrel and a $30 barrel wrench. I do not believe the mossberk has a safety lug, and there have been a few reported failures. |
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Posted: 7/9/2011 6:07:49 AM EDT
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Well, if you have any M1As, AR10s, FALs, etc you could go with 308 to minimize the number of calibers you have to deal with. Other than that all three are winners.
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Posted: 7/9/2011 6:31:27 AM EDT
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Flip a coin, play rock-paper-scissors, throw darts at a board. They're all great calibers for medium game.
My personal choice is a .270. I handload it with 130gr Hornady Interlocks; consistent bang-flop or short-tracking kills at anything under 260yd (longest measured shot). If you think you may go for larger game (elk, moose) later and don't want an excuse to buy another gun, .30-06 can run up to 220gr bullets. Enjoy! |
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Posted: 7/9/2011 3:29:31 PM EDT
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Can't go wrong with any of them. I like a .308, myself. (Short action).
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Posted: 7/18/2011 7:02:34 PM EDT
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Great advise in here, and I'm only going to comment on one other thing that no one mentioned since the OP hasn't posted a choice / decision.
If you reload, I'd go with the 30/06. You can shoot from the 110 gr @ 3400 fps, to a big ass 220 gr @ 2500 fps. All three are fine deer cartridges. Tell us what you get/got.
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Posted: 7/19/2011 4:39:41 PM EDT
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any caliber would be fine; I will recommend 30.06 though
as far as a budget rifle, look at the marlin xl7 line- mine in 30.06 is a fine deer rifle; lightweight, easily 1moa accuracy with good factory ammo. it has a pencil barrel, great for carrying through the woods and the few shots you will need. trigger is savage adjustable style and breaks very cleanly. throw some decent nikon glass on it and you could be around $500 for a new setup, although used could be much cheaper. and dont hesitate to buy a lightweight bolt gun used, almost all will have had very few round through it. |
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Posted: 7/30/2011 10:58:10 AM EDT
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all three are good. 308 can have an advantage since it is available in short actions (shorter bolt throw). whichever caliber and rifle you go with, you'll have to try a variety of ammo to see what the rifle shoots best. my savage stevens 200 in 270 win shoots winchester power points and federal power shoks well, but it wont shoot core lokts worth a damn.
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Posted: 7/30/2011 4:27:20 PM EDT
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I'd go with 308 in a Savage.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 10:13:34 AM EDT
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i've killed many deer with my 100 atr 30-06. i'd go with the 30-06 it makes the biggest hole
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Posted: 8/2/2011 10:42:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: i've killed many deer with my 100 atr 30-06. i'd go with the 30-06 it makes the biggest hole  |
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Posted: 8/2/2011 12:06:21 PM EDT
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7mm-08!!!
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Posted: 8/2/2011 3:14:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: 7mm-08!!! Yep. Or a .308. Both short action cartridges that don't recoil a ton in a light rifle. I'd get either in a Remington 700 ADL or SPS when they go on sale. (NOT the 710/770!) The 700 will aso make a great base for a custom rifle if you wear the barrel out & want to build a custom sometine in the future. |
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Posted: 8/2/2011 4:09:47 PM EDT
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Why is it that people say a short action is somehow better than a long action? Other than the weight difference (which is negligible to me)
I don't get it.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 6:27:29 PM EDT
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Weight, recoil, handiness of the overall rifle are all a plus in short actions. I have both & grab the more handy feeling rifle anymore. The deer & hogs seem to croak just fine. It's not like the cartriges listed are not effective. They are simply another choice & are a very effective alternative to long action rigs that tend to be a bit more bulky and can have more recoil. I love my 7 mag. But the 308 is getting more action lately. Especially when climbing trees or doing a lot of walking.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 7:42:48 PM EDT
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Stay away from the Savage Edge, it is a complete POS! The stock is very flemsy, bbl is way to light and the trigger can not be adjusted. Save your $ for a Rem, Win, Ruger. I love my 308.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 8:07:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: Weight, recoil, handiness of the overall rifle are all a plus in short actions. I have both & grab the more handy feeling rifle anymore. The deer & hogs seem to croak just fine. It's not like the cartriges listed are not effective. They are simply another choice & are a very effective alternative to long action rigs that tend to be a bit more bulky and can have more recoil. I love my 7 mag. But the 308 is getting more action lately. Especially when climbing trees or doing a lot of walking. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I agree with your specifics regarding the .308 vs. 7mm Mag, but short vs long action has nothing to do with these things. A 7mm magnum is typically a longer barrel, and kicks like a mule relative to a .308 (short) or a 30-06 (long). A 30-06 is almost identical to the .308 in all areas. The 30-06 is just a bigger case which gives you more versatility to a wider variety of cartridges loads. That completely eclipses (IMO) any slight difference in weight. I'm not trying to start a "which is better" war, I just don't think you can say short vs long action have any real world (dis)advantages. Especially by comparing 7mmMag to .308. The only reason I asked the question is because I see people say, "Get this 'cause it's short action". I still don't get it.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 8:44:15 PM EDT
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Why is it that people say a short action is somehow better than a long action? Other than the weight difference (which is negligible to me) I don't get it. there are important technical differences that I don't notice in use.... the better inherent accuracy of the 308 is lost upon most of use, but the versatility of the '06 is less lost upon most of us. if that makes sense. |
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Posted: 8/3/2011 4:26:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Weight, recoil, handiness of the overall rifle are all a plus in short actions. I have both & grab the more handy feeling rifle anymore. The deer & hogs seem to croak just fine. It's not like the cartriges listed are not effective. They are simply another choice & are a very effective alternative to long action rigs that tend to be a bit more bulky and can have more recoil. I love my 7 mag. But the 308 is getting more action lately. Especially when climbing trees or doing a lot of walking. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I agree with your specifics regarding the .308 vs. 7mm Mag, but short vs long action has nothing to do with these things. A 7mm magnum is typically a longer barrel, and kicks like a mule relative to a .308 (short) or a 30-06 (long). A 30-06 is almost identical to the .308 in all areas. The 30-06 is just a bigger case which gives you more versatility to a wider variety of cartridges loads. That completely eclipses (IMO) any slight difference in weight. I'm not trying to start a "which is better" war, I just don't think you can say short vs long action have any real world (dis)advantages. Especially by comparing 7mmMag to .308. The only reason I asked the question is because I see people say, "Get this 'cause it's short action". I still don't get it. I only used the 7 mag (With 140s) as an example because it is my other go-to rifle & it is pretty close to a 30-06 slinging 180s in recoil. It has a 24" barrel, like most 30-06 do. My .308 is a 22" light contour barrel & in a like rifle the 30-06 will recoil a good bit more. It seems all some are saying is to not discount or ignore the short action cartridges, not that long actions are somehow bad. Actually the cartridges are pretty much moot, anymore, as bullets have gotten so good. The actual rifle a given cartridge rides in & how it feels when toting it is more important than many realize, IMO. Simply giving a fellow some more ideas to mull over when making a rifle choice is a good thing when it may help him consider something other than the "Cartridge A vs Cartridge B" debate that happens so often. Nothing wrong with a 30-06, 270, 280, 25-06, .308, 7-08, 260, 243. & many others. Just give an equal amount of consideration to the rifle it rides in and how it handles & carries for the type of hunting it is intended for. |
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Posted: 8/3/2011 6:11:18 AM EDT
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Weight, recoil, handiness of the overall rifle are all a plus in short actions. I have both & grab the more handy feeling rifle anymore. The deer & hogs seem to croak just fine. It's not like the cartriges listed are not effective. They are simply another choice & are a very effective alternative to long action rigs that tend to be a bit more bulky and can have more recoil. I love my 7 mag. But the 308 is getting more action lately. Especially when climbing trees or doing a lot of walking. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I agree with your specifics regarding the .308 vs. 7mm Mag, but short vs long action has nothing to do with these things. A 7mm magnum is typically a longer barrel, and kicks like a mule relative to a .308 (short) or a 30-06 (long). A 30-06 is almost identical to the .308 in all areas. The 30-06 is just a bigger case which gives you more versatility to a wider variety of cartridges loads. That completely eclipses (IMO) any slight difference in weight. I'm not trying to start a "which is better" war, I just don't think you can say short vs long action have any real world (dis)advantages. Especially by comparing 7mmMag to .308. The only reason I asked the question is because I see people say, "Get this 'cause it's short action". I still don't get it. I only used the 7 mag (With 140s) as an example because it is my other go-to rifle & it is pretty close to a 30-06 slinging 180s in recoil. It has a 24" barrel, like most 30-06 do. My .308 is a 22" light contour barrel & in a like rifle the 30-06 will recoil a good bit more. It seems all some are saying is to not discount or ignore the short action cartridges, not that long actions are somehow bad. Actually the cartridges are pretty much moot, anymore, as bullets have gotten so good. The actual rifle a given cartridge rides in & how it feels when toting it is more important than many realize, IMO. Simply giving a fellow some more ideas to mull over when making a rifle choice is a good thing when it may help him consider something other than the "Cartridge A vs Cartridge B" debate that happens so often. Nothing wrong with a 30-06, 270, 280, 25-06, .308, 7-08, 260, 243. & many others. Just give an equal amount of consideration to the rifle it rides in and how it handles & carries for the type of hunting it is intended for. This is a great answer! I'm a lefty that isn't willing to pay the lefty bolt gun cost, so T/C's Encore in 36-0-06 w/ additional .50 cal M/L barrel is the ticket for me. IF I ever get another barrel for it, it will be the 7mm-08 even though the factory ammo costs are a bit high... |
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Posted: 8/3/2011 6:48:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Weight, recoil, handiness of the overall rifle are all a plus in short actions. I have both & grab the more handy feeling rifle anymore. The deer & hogs seem to croak just fine. It's not like the cartriges listed are not effective. They are simply another choice & are a very effective alternative to long action rigs that tend to be a bit more bulky and can have more recoil. I love my 7 mag. But the 308 is getting more action lately. Especially when climbing trees or doing a lot of walking. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I agree with your specifics regarding the .308 vs. 7mm Mag, but short vs long action has nothing to do with these things. A 7mm magnum is typically a longer barrel, and kicks like a mule relative to a .308 (short) or a 30-06 (long). A 30-06 is almost identical to the .308 in all areas. The 30-06 is just a bigger case which gives you more versatility to a wider variety of cartridges loads. That completely eclipses (IMO) any slight difference in weight. I'm not trying to start a "which is better" war, I just don't think you can say short vs long action have any real world (dis)advantages. Especially by comparing 7mmMag to .308. The only reason I asked the question is because I see people say, "Get this 'cause it's short action". I still don't get it. I only used the 7 mag (With 140s) as an example because it is my other go-to rifle & it is pretty close to a 30-06 slinging 180s in recoil. It has a 24" barrel, like most 30-06 do. My .308 is a 22" light contour barrel & in a like rifle the 30-06 will recoil a good bit more. It seems all some are saying is to not discount or ignore the short action cartridges, not that long actions are somehow bad. Actually the cartridges are pretty much moot, anymore, as bullets have gotten so good. The actual rifle a given cartridge rides in & how it feels when toting it is more important than many realize, IMO. Simply giving a fellow some more ideas to mull over when making a rifle choice is a good thing when it may help him consider something other than the "Cartridge A vs Cartridge B" debate that happens so often. Nothing wrong with a 30-06, 270, 280, 25-06, .308, 7-08, 260, 243. & many others. Just give an equal amount of consideration to the rifle it rides in and how it handles & carries for the type of hunting it is intended for. |
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Posted: 8/3/2011 7:23:10 AM EDT
[#36]
Of course not. I'm saying in lighter rifles the benefit of a short action cartridge will be less recoil, compared to a cartridge with more capacity (Also in a lighter rifle) & that the rifle configuration is as important as the cartridge selection, so including that into the selection process makes sense (To me). If a heavier rifle is desired the benefit is not as noticable.
It seems you are arguing that considering a short action in the overall selection process is some sort of a slap at long actions. If so, cool, but that's not the intent here. Intent is to simply use more factors to make a decision. You seem to be arguing a point that is not even being contested. Light rifle vs light rifle in LA & SA is what I'm comparing for no other reason but to provide more choices, not to eliminate long actions from consideration. |
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Posted: 8/3/2011 7:32:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: Of course not. I'm saying in lighter rifles the benefit of a short action cartridge will be less recoil, compared to a cartridge with more capacity (Also in a lighter rifle) & that the rifle configuration is as important as the cartridge selection, so including that into the selection process makes sense (To me). If a heavier rifle is desired the benefit is not as noticable. It seems you are arguing that considering a short action in the overall selection process is some sort of a slap at long actions. If so, cool, but that's not the intent here. Intent is to simply use more factors to make a decision. You seem to be arguing a point that is not even being contested. Light rifle vs light rifle in LA & SA is what I'm comparing for no other reason but to provide more choices, not to eliminate long actions from consideration. I really don't disagree with your points, above. I would point out that less recoil in a similar weight rifle, shooting similar bullets also equals less energy on the target. But let's not quibble. No, I'm not trying argue that considering a short action is somehow a slap at long actions. I just have seen people imply [ or downright state ] that short actions are inherently better than long actions, and I wanted to understand why they think that. I also agree that all these cartridges are great deer rifles. Appreciate the discussion.
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Posted: 8/3/2011 7:58:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Of course not. I'm saying in lighter rifles the benefit of a short action cartridge will be less recoil, compared to a cartridge with more capacity (Also in a lighter rifle) & that the rifle configuration is as important as the cartridge selection, so including that into the selection process makes sense (To me). If a heavier rifle is desired the benefit is not as noticable. It seems you are arguing that considering a short action in the overall selection process is some sort of a slap at long actions. If so, cool, but that's not the intent here. Intent is to simply use more factors to make a decision. You seem to be arguing a point that is not even being contested. Light rifle vs light rifle in LA & SA is what I'm comparing for no other reason but to provide more choices, not to eliminate long actions from consideration. I really don't disagree with your points, above. I would point out that less recoil in a similar weight rifle, shooting similar bullets also equals less energy on the target. But let's not quibble. No, I'm not trying argue that considering a short action is somehow a slap at long actions.I just have seen people imply [ or downright state ] that short actions are inherently better than long actions, and I wanted to understand why they think that. I also agree that all these cartridges are great deer rifles. Appreciate the discussion. Understood. I have the same issue with the short action or bust crew. Different choices for different uses are fun to mull over, even though about any round will dead a deer. |
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Posted: 8/4/2011 10:34:38 AM EDT
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I shoot AR's most of the time but have two 700s-
One in 270 and one in 243. To me, got it give it to the short-action gun (243). I dont like the longer reload action of the 270. In my 270 700, the bolt skids as you reload, making it slower and not as fluid. The 308 should have short action. |
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Posted: 8/4/2011 2:08:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: I shoot AR's most of the time but have two 700s- One in 270 and one in 243. To me, got it give it to the short-action gun (243). I dont like the longer reload action of the 270. In my 270 700, the bolt skids as you reload, making it slower and not as fluid. The 308 should have short action. This. Nothing "wrong" with a long action, it just isn't as smooth or fast as a SA. My .300win did the same thing, no matter how i polished it etc. the thing just wasn't going to be as fluid as a short action. Picked up a Weatherby TRR(Threat Response Rifle) in .308 and OMG I fell in love. short action, smooth as silk and only 60 degree turn to unlock the bolt. The #4 Kieger barrel is an absolute tack driver. A bit heavy to pack around deer hunting though. |
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Posted: 8/4/2011 8:43:58 PM EDT
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Apologies if this is thread drift..Any .257 Roberts fans? I've never shot one. I seem to remember reading somewhere that it's ballistically similar to a 6.5 Swede.
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Posted: 8/14/2011 6:39:10 PM EDT
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I have an ATR in .270 and like it alot killed several deer definatly change the scope rings mine would not stay tight around the scope. I shoot 140 sierra bthp reloads they are dead on accurate at 100yds.
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